Peach Fuzz Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 His loyalties to the Night's Watch take precedence over everything else, but he can still visit his family, just like they can visit him.But you leave your family name behind? You forget family ties? As jon says to Sam you have no father just brothers. But Benjen can go visit his brother at Winterfell? Regardless if King Bob has come and regardless of the invite! Seems a hollow oath in Ben Starks case i swear all them oaths but see you in a few weeks lads im going to visit the family at Winterfell and meet the King? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Fuzz Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 And another one whilst i remember. Where does Rhaegar 'kidnap' Lyanna from? Where did all this fraternising take place. After the tourney because Ned is in the eyrie? Where was she if she was able to be 'kidnapped' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 And another one whilst i remember. Where does Rhaegar 'kidnap' Lyanna from? Where did all this fraternising take place. After the tourney because Ned is in the eyrie? Where was she if she was able to be 'kidnapped' ?The how & where are pretty sketchy. It is (obv) after the tourney (Rhaegar's wiki entry says a "year after the tourney", Lyanna's just says "shortly after the tourney") It sent Brandon Stark to KL to demand Rhaegar's head, where he was arrested by Aerys. Lord Rickard arrived & was arrested too. He demanded trial by combat & was forced to square-go fire. Aerys might have been mad, but there is a certain black humour to choosing fire as your champion, especially against a Stark, in fact, THE Stark. Anyway, Brandon, strangled, Rickard well done, Aerys calls for the heads of Robert & Eddard. Then war and death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peach Fuzz Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 The how & where are pretty sketchy. It is (obv) after the tourney (Rhaegar's wiki entry says a "year after the tourney", Lyanna's just says "shortly after the tourney") It sent Brandon Stark to KL to demand Rhaegar's head, where he was arrested by Aerys. Lord Rickard arrived & was arrested too. He demanded trial by combat & was forced to square-go fire. Aerys might have been mad, but there is a certain black humour to choosing fire as your champion, especially against a Stark, in fact, THE Stark. Anyway, Brandon, strangled, Rickard well done, Aerys calls for the heads of Robert & Eddard. Then war and death.Aye! Im with you on the black humor of Aerys! I just wonder weather all the details leading up to the rebellion are clarified before the end. I know GRRM will wrap up alot IF R+L =J e.g i just winder where Lyanna would be to be able to be kidnapped? The daughter of the Warden of the north galavanting through the realm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Aye! Im with you on the black humor of Aerys! I just wonder weather all the details leading up to the rebellion are clarified before the end. I know GRRM will wrap up alot IF R+L =J e.g i just winder where Lyanna would be to be able to be kidnapped? The daughter of the Warden of the north galavanting through the realm?Rhaegar was in the royal family so it may not have been too hard for him to simply turn up with forty horses and say, "You! Here, now!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 And another one whilst i remember. Where does Rhaegar 'kidnap' Lyanna from? Where did all this fraternising take place. After the tourney because Ned is in the eyrie? Where was she if she was able to be 'kidnapped' ? There is little hard evidence. IIRC correctly the time can be best estimated at around a year after the tourney. There is no hard evidence at all about the movements of most 'players' between Harrenhal and the supposed abduction, but we do have a few clues.Brandon had been around Riverrun, and his marriage there to Catelyn was happening soon.Ned at some stage went back to the Vale, as he was there when the shit hit the fan.Brandon was not at Riverrun immediately when he heard the news, but was in the vicinity and rode to KL. I can;t remember if he was at Riverrun first - Hoster called him a gallant fool and I think tried to talk him out of going to KL, but I may be misremebering that and it may have been after he was gone already.Other things we know.Its a very long journey back to Winterfell and back south again.Lyanna was betrothed to the Lord of Storms End and would soon become a important southern Lady. It would make eminent sense for her to have stayed in the south and spent time at court, in the Stormlands, or in the Riverlands, becoming more accustomed to southern ways, spending time being 'civilised' by being around southern noblewomen, and making the connections and friendships and relationships that would be so important in her future role.Whereever the abduction was from, there is no 'sign' of the fugitives thereafter. They don't seem to have passed through populated areas or travelled public roads etc. MaybeThe summary is that the abduction was probably not far from Riverrun or Harrenhal, but we don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 :agree: I was writing more or less the exact same thing, then I accidentally hit ctrl+R :bang: You put it better than I had though so, :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Right, but if its just a place she lived before marrying khal drogo then why does it get such an.. interesting title both in her hotud vision and all her memories? "The house with the red door".. it implies that there is more about it that we don't know, since it is being remembered by the color of its door (a seemingly mundane detail). Anyways, ill take your response as a No to my question. :).It means her destiny is to become Archbishop of of Canterbury. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 What was King Robert doing at Summerhall in his rebellion, in the battle in which he defeated 3 enemies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Other than the fact he defeated one of the Lords opposing him, it doesn't say much. He wasn't actually King at that stage, incidentally.It's probably fair to assume he was part of the horseback battalion and that he fought with his warhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 The King was coming to Winterfell, that had probably not happened for a long time. In fact, it's unlikely they'd had a King north of The Neck for quite a while, the Watch would need to be represented at the feast. I'm actually surprised Mormont didn't make the trip himself to try & get a word with the king.Benjen must have come to Winterfell other than when Robert visited. He and Jon seem to have at least some relationship at the start of the first book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Yes I think that's right. It's one of those stories that unfolds in hints over several books and character's POVs. I had forgotten that partDamn it. Now I have to read them all over again Gods forbid that give anyone an excuse a condemn reasons to have to reread aSoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 But you leave your family name behind? You forget family ties? As jon says to Sam you have no father just brothers. But Benjen can go visit his brother at Winterfell? Regardless if King Bob has come and regardless of the invite! Seems a hollow oath in Ben Starks case i swear all them oaths but see you in a few weeks lads im going to visit the family at Winterfell and meet the King?This isn't a small question. There are many possible reasons, and widely different interpretations of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 What was King Robert doing at Summerhall in his rebellion, in the battle in which he defeated 3 enemies?aSoS chapter 55, JonHe gathered his bannermen, but some decided to stayed loyal to the crown and they were gathering at Summerhall. Or put simply he went there to defeat his own bannermen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 aSoS chapter 55, JonHe gathered his bannermen, but some decided to stayed loyal to the crown and they were gathering at Summerhall.Or put simply he went there to defeat his own bannermen.Thanks that sounds reasonable. Better than burning them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daario's*before*Snows Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Do we know of any noble babies born during the series?Seems everybody is too young or too old.Surely some Frey babies have popped out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nudu Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm not a native English speaker so i got i question. Does King's Landing mean the place where king landed or the lands of the king? In translation it is translated as lands of the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ghost- Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm not a native English speaker so i got i question. Does King's Landing mean the place where king landed or the lands of the king? In translation it is translated as lands of the king.Its the cities name and it is also where Aegon landed and built his fortress. After the war he started building the city its self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm not a native English speaker so i got i question. Does King's Landing mean the place where king landed or the lands of the king? In translation it is translated as lands of the king.It means the spot where he landed, not the lands that belong to him.In hte Bulgarian translation it's not literaly translated too, but sometimes it's for the greater good this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGendry Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Ok 2 questions:The Sword of the Morning Arthur Dayne, where does that title come from? Is it a title bestowed, similar to Syrio's First Sword of Braavos, or simply a nickname, like Kingslayer, where is it from? And I've seen mentions on this board of something called Hammers of the Water, what is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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