Dagda Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 All interesting. I wonder if that was a book of Stark lineages.Again, Cat's grandmother is a Whent, so it might just as we'll be a clue to her heritage. ( though, I still fall on the Stark side of the equation :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oren Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Cat's grandmother is a Whent, so she also has FM blood running strong in her, which could produce wargs or green seers, and would be concurrent with the theory that it is the matrilineal lines in the North that is the key. See the Bael the Bard tale. Yea. But, Jon's mother's is Lyanna and he is a warg, so it's more likely from the stark side of the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagda Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yea. But, Jon's mother's is Lyanna and he is a warg, so it's more likely from the stark side of the family.No, the warg blood flows through the FM bloodlines. Example is Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpkinsAndStarks Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is there any evidence that BR warged in his "life"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagda Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Is there any evidence that BR warged in his "life"?Yes. BR was the original Hand with his "little birds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpkinsAndStarks Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Yes. BR was the original Hand with his "little birds".And Varys called them his little mice before coming to KL. Maybe he adopted the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagda Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 And Varys called them his little mice before coming to KL. Maybe he adopted the term.Possibly, but with Vary's obvious dislike of magic, it would be a stretch that he would copy BR. But with plot twists, nothing is out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpkinsAndStarks Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 BR would have been a distant memory by the time Varys arrived in KL, maybe he adopted the term without knowing it's origins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horizon Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Is there anyone guesses on the children Varys had ready to stab Kevan Lannister? About the way their faces were described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 BR would have been a distant memory by the time Varys arrived in KL, maybe he adopted the term without knowing it's origins. Doubtful. BR is kinda a legend as far as Kings Hands go. Though I doubt Varys is a warg (given the current information we have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpkinsAndStarks Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I don't for a second believe Varys to be a warg. I was positing that he'd adopted to the term "little birds" once he arrived in KL. The term apparently dates back to at least the days of BR as the KH and perhaps had become colloquial in KL. We know that Varys had referred to his free city equivalents as "little mice". none of which is very important however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I don't for a second believe Varys to be a warg. I was positing that he'd adopted to the term "little birds" once he arrived in KL. The term apparently dates back to at least the days of BR as the KH and perhaps had become colloquial in KL. We know that Varys had referred to his free city equivalents as "little mice". none of which is very important however. bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagda Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 bingo.Maybe, maybe not. BR may still have his little birds in place. It would be interesting if he also had human agents in place.( Uh Red? This is your thread ... I know I have you busy reading now, but wanna drop by? :commie: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Maybe, maybe not. BR may still have his little birds in place. It would be interesting if he also had human agents in place.( Uh Red? This is your thread ... I know I have you busy reading now, but wanna drop by? :commie: ) It would be a long time span for that, although it is possible. Who's paying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagda Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 It would be a long time span for that, although it is possible. Who's paying them?For Westeros, payment is power and power is payment. Varys is out of the question. Littlefinger doesn't seem likely. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 For Westeros, payment is power and power is payment. Varys is out of the question. Littlefinger doesn't seem likely. I don't know. Not so sure if I agree with that. Money is money. The master of coin can tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Cooterian Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 First, let me qualify that I have not read the last 6 pages or so of this thread. Curious as to how the discussion of Winterfell has migrated towards Bloodraven and his minions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 No, the warg blood flows through the FM bloodlines. Example is Bloodraven. Not necessarily. Bloodraven is certainly getting his powers from Raventree, presumably because the Crows got to him, but direwolves and Starks go together and although in Jon's case he has been warged by a dirwolf because his mother is Lya Stark, his siblings were snaffled by direwolves because their father was Ned Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 First, let me qualify that I have not read the last 6 pages or so of this thread. Curious as to how the discussion of Winterfell has migrated towards Bloodraven and his minions? Beats me too, but as its now on page 22 I reckon its time for redriver to refresh with a new thread and a new OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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