Satoris T Born Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Victarion is already dead. He died in his cabin and Moqorro turned him into a UnVic (like the Uncat or BEric Dondarrion). So I think Victarion will hang around for a bit but I doubt he lasts too much longer. Perhaps Dany will be killed and Vic will use his fire to revive her as Beric did Cat? But I don't think he will be a long running character. He is on his way out. Now that I think about it, GRRM has a thing with hands getting injured or going bad somehow. Cold Hands, Jaime, Vic, Jon Snow's burn....Anyway, I know the dessert battle will be sweet, the Winterfell battle will be intense, but I hope the rest of the novel isn't just 800 pages of characters poking around and lamenting about sins or reflecting on life. Let's move the plot along. Maybe just a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tully Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 While the way the chapter ended outside Victarion's chapter was unusual, Victarion has continued as a POV. I don't think your interpretation/theory is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrohsis Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Now that I think about it, GRRM has a thing with hands getting injured or going bad somehow. Cold Hands, Jaime, Vic, Jon Snow's burn....Hands at least make sense--a swordsmans hands are always in harm's way. What I can't figure out is his obsession with ears--seriously, how hard can it be to slice off someone's ear without hacking their skull open or missing entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Godric Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The Ironborn don't have allies; they are reavers & will cut through anyone in their way to stealing Dany & the dragon/s. The battle will be chaos---with sellswords turning cloak, the horn blown, Harpys in the city, reavers, dragons attracted to the blood & noise etcI agree. I don't think Victarion brought his men ashore knowing which men he's going to fight and which he's going to help. How could he know? I think he'll cut his way through the Yunkai and instead of being the hammer and the anvil that Barristan thinks, he will just keep cutting through Barristan's men.Far more likely will be that the big victory will be undermined by the fact that 300 ships from Volantis with 30,000 troops will land and perhaps the Harpy will rise up inside the city. I was quite worried by how the beasts were on the walls. What if Shakaz has played Dany and co false or their loyalty isn't secure? They could shut them out of the city and our heroes would risk being trapped between the walls and the volantese.I can't say I'd be hurt if our Westerosi nobles all need to hightail it out of Meereen and let them deal with their troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hands at least make sense--a swordsmans hands are always in harm's way. What I can't figure out is his obsession with ears--seriously, how hard can it be to slice off someone's ear without hacking their skull open or missing entirely.Besides the Hound I can't remember anyone with ear sliced in combat, mostly they are frostbitten, burned or bitten off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Billy Tipton Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm going to assume Wulfe One-Ear lost his in battle or the finger dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant666 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks Vics job in the books is merely to deliver to Dany the item she needs to control her dragons? She has had very little to no control over them and it is becoming a problem the closer to the last book we get. A lot of people (including myself) seem to think Vic is going to die in this book. I believe he will die very early, and his whole arc is just a means to an end to get the horn to Dany. She will use the horn and finally have control over her dragons (Tyrion possibly being able to help her understand the workings of the horn). Poor Vic will never get his revenge on Euron :crying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebevan91 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks Vics job in the books is merely to deliver to Dany the item she needs to control her dragons? She has had very little to no control over them and it is becoming a problem the closer to the last book we get. A lot of people (including myself) seem to think Vic is going to die in this book. I believe he will die very early, and his whole arc is just a means to an end to get the horn to Dany. She will use the horn and finally have control over her dragons (Tyrion possibly being able to help her understand the workings of the horn). Poor Vic will never get his revenge on Euron :crying:Unless Dany's whole story is just to get the dragons for Vic :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksellsword Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Dany will use the Ironborn fleet to transport her army + her new khalasar to westeros....it will be bloody and it will be epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) In terms of the red dawn there is a mariner's rhyme:Red sky at morning, sailors take warning;Red sky at night, sailors delightDoes this foreshadow Victarion's fate, especially with Barristan calling the red dawn a "dragon dawn"?ETA:To add to the theory of Pod killing LF:“I’ve never been frightened of shepherds. It’s the sheep who trouble me. Still, I suppose an escort might be in order.”ACoK:He[Pod] shuffled his feet, sheepish. Edited February 26, 2013 by Fire Eater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Victarion cannot be trusted but he wants dragons. Dany will get there only if she is riding Drogon, which will probably happen, all will be mezmorized by her streaming silver hair(major sarcasm, I hate the bitch) as her black dragon scortches the enemy where they stand. The exchange will be interesting between Barristan, Jorah, Tyrion and vic. Who knows, one or more of them need to die anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) I'm surprised how many chapters are being devoted to this battle. If the battle for Winterfell is told similarly, the first third or more of the next book is going to be taken up with material that was supposed to be in A Dance with Dragons. Eight books seems inevitable at this point. Edited February 19, 2013 by Faint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Hero Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 People are forgetting Moqqoro is on a mission to help Dany not Victarion. Things are about to end up bad for Vic soon if he blows that horn. I'm glad Grrm released these chapters and all but god I can't wait for this book to come out. Is it wrong for me to believe it could come out around 2016? Lol. I was hoping for the Battle of Ice but I'm glad we for some info on the battle of Mereen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wandering Knight Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Way cool! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Awesome. I noticed he picked a POV without insight into the real burning questions/mysteries (i.e. R+L=J, or the harpies identity, ETC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Cat of the canals Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I thought the horn killed the person who blew on it so if Vic tries will it kill him and burn his insides up? Does the horn need someone with dragon blood like Dany or Ben Brown Plumm to blow it?Which is very interesting : if the horn secures the blower, Victarion may as well burn. Only, his arm may be of some protection.Speculation drives me crazy, here. The one thing it all depends on is how the horn actually works.Edit : Evening star, nobody knows what happened to Theon, except for those around Winterfell. No surprise Barristan thinks it migh me him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Daegon Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm really hoping that somehow, after bloody battle, there is a "moot" of some kind between Barristan, Tyrion, and Victarion that is orchestrated by Moqorro. As he's already proven his ability and wisdom to both Vic and Tyrion, this might be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Summer Islander Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 5000 Unsullied are participating in Sortie.But I bet Shavepate is told all 8000 are leaving. 3000 are a reserve inside the city if things go pear-shaped.Remember dany also lost a ton due to the harpy... And I wouldn't be suprised if she lost some to the plague too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 A hundred ships is not enough to transport Danys army by sea. That was established in ADWD. Even if they capture all the slaver ships and use the gift of the thirteen along with Vics 70 ships thats not even up to a hundred. Dany is still is not in a position to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Reading about those chapters I can't help but think how great ADWD would have been if the final two battles had been included in it as initially planned. All the book had been building up to this climax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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