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During her first court session in ADWD, Dany is offered a number of gifts: "a pike of unprecedented size", a "suit of burnished [copper] rings to wear to war", a pair of green-and-gold slippers, and the option of replacing the head of the bronze harpy in the Plaza of Purification with one cast in her own image. The disposition of these gifts appears to foreshadow Dany's future actions vis a vis certain people/groups.

The copper-ringed "armor" is accepted, but Dany inwardly decides to never make use of it---the copper-ringed armor represents her treatment of Quentyn Martell (she "accepted" him insofar as she didn't immediately kick him out, but it was clear she had no intention of using his resources in any way), given that the Dornishmen in general seem to enjoy wearing copper, and the first Martell we ever meet, Oberyn, is explicitly described as wearing copper: "his shirt was armored with overlapping rows of copper disks that glittered like a thousand bright new pennies as he rode. His high gilded helm displayed a copper sun on its brow,". Dany completely rejects the chance to replace the Harpy's head with her own, representing her future failure to nullify the Harpy (the Green Grace) and/or co-opt the Sons into her regime.

The green-and-gold slippers are a gift from the Butcher King and are juxtaposed with the prospect of an alliance. I think these slippers represent Dany's future interactions with House Tyrell: Dany accepts the slippers, "admiring the glimmer of the gold and the sheen of the green pearls on Cleon’s slippers while doing her best to ignore the pinching in her toes", noting that they appear to have been "made for a child". They look wonderful, and Dany chooses to accept and wear them, but she notes all along they're simply far too small for her. Eventually, though:

The slippers the Butcher King had sent her had grown too uncomfortable. Dany kicked them off and sat with one foot tucked beneath her and the other swinging back and forth. It was not a very regal pose, but she was tired of being regal.

Eventually, the fact that the shoes are too small becomes impossible to ignore, and Dany kicks them off. Simultaneously, she thinks to herself she's "tired of being regal", and acts in a very non-regal way. This could represent Dany initially allying with House Tyrell, but then deciding they're not enough for her and rejecting them---but by that rejection, losing her chance to become Queen (hence her un-regal behavior coming immediately after getting rid of the green-and-gold slippers). By the time Dany finally lands, House Tyrell will probably have a good portion of its strength bled off: not simply due to battles, but also due to defections. House Tyrell will probably be amenable to an alliance with Dany (given that Aegon's almost certainly going to kick them out of power in King's Landing), but the strength of Highgarden is about to take a beating, meaning an alliance with House Tyrell isn't going to be worth as much as it is now by the time Dany actually lands.

Dany accepts and decides to make use of the offered pike (sending it to the kitchens), representing a future decision to ally with the Greyjoys of Pike. Interestingly, there's another instance of a large pike being eaten in ADWD:

A city of monsters, they say, but if she marches overland, where else is she to turn for food and water? The sea would be swifter, but if she does not have the ships …

By the time Griff appeared on deck, the pike was spitting and sizzling over the brazier whilst Ysilla hovered over it with a lemon, squeezing.

Another massive pike (which Tyrion describes as being as large as himself) is eaten by the crew of the Shy Maid, and that pike is juxtaposed with Tyrion's thoughts on how Dany could use ships to get to Westeros.

Yandry had a wine cask on one shoulder, while Ysilla had slung a pike over hers.

The man has the wine cask while the woman has the pike. This could symbolize Aegon (potentially) having the use of the Redwyne Fleet while Dany has use of the Greyjoy fleet.

After that came a savory snake stew, chunks of seven different sorts of snake slow-simmered in dragon peppers and blood oranges and a dash of venom to give it a good bite.

I think the stew foreshadows the elements that House Martell will ally with. The seven (the Faith) + the dragon peppers (Aegon) along with blood oranges (symbols of Doran's scheming---when we first see him, he's surrounded by overripe blood oranges, representing his overripe plans). What the "dash of venom to give it a good bite" represents isn't clear, and could be any number of things.

not really foreshadowing per se, but maybe someone can enlighten me, i was wondering if anyone had any theories on why Rhaegal and Drogon are always associated together and Viserion keeps to himself. I also found it curios that when Dany treats with the Slaver at Yunaki Viserion doens't spit fire at him when she burns his tokar, but later roast the head of one of the dead stormcrows in the same chapter

I think it's incorrect to say that Rhaegal and Drogon are always associated together, given that Viserion and Rhaegal were physically imprisoned together in Meereen while Drogon was off doing his own thing. The thing about Viserion is that he appears to be the dragon least willing to follow Dany's "commands". When Dany orders the dragons to breathe fire at the Yunkish envoy, notice how only Drogon actually does it---Rhaegal "hissed and smoked" (but didn't breathe fire) while Viserion only "snapped" (he doesn't even produce smoke, let alone fire). Drogon clearly follows her command, Rhaegal sort of (but not really) follows her command, but Viserion doesn't even make a pretense of breathing fire when she tells him to. Earlier, when Dany was demonstrating "dracarys" to Jorah, only Drogon breathed fire at her command, never Rhaegal or Viserion (and later in the same scene, Viserion breathed fire at Jorah's inadvertent command, whereas the other two did not). By unilaterally breathing fire at Prendahl's head in the same chapter in which he refused to breathe fire at Dany's command, Viserion demonstrated that he absolutely was capable of following Dany's order, but for whatever reason chose not to when she actually gave the order.

When it comes to foreshadowing, I think the point being shown is that the white dragon is the farthest from Dany's control. This is easy to overlook because Viserion is never shown attacking Dany herself, so Dany seems to assume he's under her control. But he never breathes fire at her command, he's the one who used Brown Ben Plumm as a stepping stool and convinced Dany that BBP was her BFF when he really wasn't, and notice how when Viserion was first chained up, he tried to get to Dany when she "visited"---later on, though, Dany brings Quentyn to see the dragons and notes that Viserion is completely free of his chains, but once free, he ignores her, making no effort to go to her. That Dany does not actually control the white dragon, and that the white dragon does not appear to "help" her in any real way, has heavy implications for her vis a vis Bloodraven (the character most heavily tied, in a literary sense, to Viserion).

In ASOS, the Liddle that Bran and his group meet says this about Ramsay:

“The Bastard’s boys, aye. He was dead, but now he’s not. And paying good silver for wolfskins, a man hears, and maybe gold for word of certain other walking dead.”

The "Bastard" who "was dead, but now he's not" sounds like foreshadowing of the "resurrection" of another bastard, Jon. White Harbor is associated with silver, and Jon just got a huge loan of gold for the Watch, so the "Bastard" offering silver for wolfskins could represent White Harbor ultimately backing Jon (or "the wolves" in general), and the "gold" for "word of certain other walking dead" would represent the Iron Bank sending gold to help the Watch fight the wights.

Tyrion signs a bunch of promissory notes for the Second Sons' officers with ordinary ink, but then signs the Second Sons' own book with his own blood. Given Illyrio's comment about "contracts writ in blood", this could be a hint that Tyrion will end up reneging on the promissory notes (and Tyrion was contemplating the notes going unfulfilled even as he was signing them) while still remaining a member of the Second Sons. (Alternatively, if Tyrion ends up leaving the Second Sons despite "signing in blood", that could foreshadow the Golden Company ultimately abandoning Aegon.)

And speaking of the Second Sons, when Tyrion joins up, Brown Ben mentions some "famous names" who've served with the Second Sons in the past:

Aegor Rivers served a year with us, before he left to found the Golden Company. Bittersteel, you call him. The Bright Prince, Aerion Targaryen, he was a Second Son. And Rodrik Stark, the Wandering Wolf, him as well.

There are certain parallels between these "former" Second Sons and 3 particular characters whose plots have intersected with Tyrion's plot (and seem likely to play strong roles in his future): Bittersteel symbolizes Aegon (given the Golden Company (and Blackfyre) connections there), Rodrik Stark symbolizes Jon (for obvious reasons), and Aerion Targaryen symbolizes Dany (she thinks she's an actual dragon and Aerion is referred to as The Prince Who Thought He Was A Dragon, Barristan calls her his "bright shining child queen", and in the Hedge Knight, Aerion had certain "issues" with a mummer's dragon). The order in which Brown Ben gives these names---first Bittersteel, then the Bright Prince, then Rodrik Stark---could indicate the order in which Tyrion's allegiances will unfold: he started out following Aegon, now wants to follow Dany, and might easily end the story (or at least, his own plotline) following Jon.

In ADWD Chapter 28, Melisandre told Jon:

"I have seen your sister in my fires, fleeing from this marriage they have made for her. Coming here, to you. A girl in grey on a dying horse".

Jon thought the girl was Arya, and in the later chapters it turned out to be Alys Karstark. However,Alys appeared in a black cloak while in the fire was "a girl in grey". Usually in predicts the colors have their symbolism. Here, not only Alys clothing wasn't grey, but the color for House Karstarks wasn't grey. Grey is the color for House Stark of Winterfell. Don't forget that besides Arya, Jon has the other sister, who was in Vale and Littlefinger just arranged her marriage with Harry the Heir. In Littlefinger's plan, Sansa would "come out with her long auburn hair, clad in a maiden’s cloak of white and grey with a direwolf emblazoned on the back".

To be fair, we don't actually know what clothes Alys was wearing during her trip to the Wall---by the time Jon meets up with her, she's wearing only a black Night's Watch cloak, but she had to have been wearing other clothes en route. For all we know, they were in fact grey. However, you're absolutely right that grey is the color that House Stark does not share with House Karstark, and as Alys was fleeing a marriage with another Karstark, there's no reason to specifically expect her to be wearing grey (and Mel repeatedly describing her vision as a "girl in grey" indicated "Stark" in Jon's mind in ways that it wouldn't have pointed to Karstark). However, notice that there are some subtle differences between what Mel tells others she saw---a "girl in grey"---and what Mel inwardly says the actual vision showed:

The girl. I must find the girl again, the grey girl on the dying horse. Jon Snow would expect that of her, and soon. It would not be enough to say the girl was fleeing. He would want more, he would want the when and where, and she did not have that for him. She had seen the girl only once. A girl as grey as ash, and even as I watched she crumbled and blew away.

There's a rather large difference, interpretation-wise, between a "grey girl"/"girl as grey as ash" and a "girl IN grey". Mel repeatedly tells people she's seen the latter, but her own memory of the actual vision indicates the former. The latter would have pointed to a Stark daughter, but the former . . . not so much.

It's interesting to separate what Mel actually seems to see from what she just tells other people she sees. Mel tells Jon she sees a girl "fleeing this marriage they made for her" (and Alys was of course fleeing a marriage), but when it comes to the actual vision, Mel tells herself only that she's seen the girl "racing to [Jon Snow] for protection"---no mention there that the vision actually showed a girl specifically fleeing a marriage. She tells Mance she sees what she interprets as Long Lake to the west of the girl, which, given the location of Karhold, is kind of weird---Alys would have had to go way out of her way, and would have added an awful lot of unnecessary traveling time to her route, in order to get to Castle Black from Karhold by a route that took her along the banks of Long Lake in the first place. So either this wasn't Long Lake (and it's rather odd that Mel goes from not knowing "the when and where" of the girl's location to later describing to Mance, in the exact same chapter, "the where"), or it was Long Lake and Alys took a very counter-intuitive route, or it was Long Lake but the girl Mel saw wasn't Alys.

Actually, "a girl as grey as ash" sounds like what you'd perhaps expect of a vision of Asha Greyjoy. And traveling with Long Lake to her west is perhaps what you might expect of someone who 1) was coming from Winterfell but wanted to avoid the Kingsroad and 2) also desperately wanted to avoid the hill clans. If it turns out that Mel's vision didn't show Alys, I'd say Asha represents a strong possibility (the neutral Wall being the only conceivable place in the North that she might take shelter at should she get away from Stannis's troops and/or from Winterfell).

What could also be relevant, foreshadowing-wise, is that Melisandre keeps telling people she's seen "a girl in grey", while her actual vision seemed to show otherwise---in other words, she didn't have an actual vision of a Stark girl coming to the Wall, but through her wording she might be inadvertently foreshadowing a Stark girl coming to the Wall in the future. I suspect she's done this with other visions: for example, she sees "towers by the sea, crumbling as the dark tide came sweeping over them, rising from the depths", but tells Jon that she sees "towers by the sea, submerged beneath a black and bloody tide." There's a quite excellent chance that this vision represents the greenseers bringing the Hammer of the Waters down on Pyke, and while the "tide" she actually sees is merely "dark", the tide she tells others she sees is black and bloody. If this vision points toward a greenseer attack, then Mel was inadvertently foreshadowing Bloodraven's involvement when she stuck in the "bloody" qualifer, but her actual vision did not include that qualifer. In the same way, Mel telling everyone she saw "a girl in grey" doesn't mean she actually saw a girl in grey---she saw a "grey girl/girl as grey as ash"---but GRRM could, via her imprecise wording, be inadvertently foreshadowing to readers a "girl in grey" coming to Jon in the future, and that would potentially point to one of Jon's sisters.

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Someone has probably already said it but I only just realized the foreshadowing in this exchange

Jaime Lannister regarded his brother thoughtfully with those cool green eyes.

"Stark will never consent to leave Winterfell with his son lingering in the shadow of death."

"He will if Robert commands it," Tyrion said. "And Robert will command it. There is nothing Lord Eddard can do for the boy in any case."

"He could end his torment," Jaime said. "I would, if it were my son. It would be a mercy."

"I advise against putting that suggestion to Lord Eddard, sweet brother," Tyrion said. "He would not take it kindly."

"Even if the boy does live, he will be a cripple. Worse than a cripple. A grotesque. Give me a good clean death."

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I think it's incorrect to say that Rhaegal and Drogon are always associated together, given that Viserion and Rhaegal were physically imprisoned together in Meereen while Drogon was off doing his own thing. The thing about Viserion is that he appears to be the dragon least willing to follow Dany's "commands". When Dany orders the dragons to breathe fire at the Yunkish envoy, notice how only Drogon actually does it---Rhaegal "hissed and smoked" (but didn't breathe fire) while Viserion only "snapped" (he doesn't even produce smoke, let alone fire). Drogon clearly follows her command, Rhaegal sort of (but not really) follows her command, but Viserion doesn't even make a pretense of breathing fire when she tells him to. Earlier, when Dany was demonstrating "dracarys" to Jorah, only Drogon breathed fire at her command, never Rhaegal or Viserion (and later in the same scene, Viserion breathed fire at Jorah's inadvertent command, whereas the other two did not). By unilaterally breathing fire at Prendahl's head in the same chapter in which he refused to breathe fire at Dany's command, Viserion demonstrated that he absolutely was capable of following Dany's order, but for whatever reason chose not to when she actually gave the order.

When it comes to foreshadowing, I think the point being shown is that the white dragon is the farthest from Dany's control. This is easy to overlook because Viserion is never shown attacking Dany herself, so Dany seems to assume he's under her control. But he never breathes fire at her command, he's the one who used Brown Ben Plumm as a stepping stool and convinced Dany that BBP was her BFF when he really wasn't, and notice how when Viserion was first chained up, he tried to get to Dany when she "visited"---later on, though, Dany brings Quentyn to see the dragons and notes that Viserion is completely free of his chains, but once free, he ignores her, making no effort to go to her. That Dany does not actually control the white dragon, and that the white dragon does not appear to "help" her in any real way, has heavy implications for her vis a vis Bloodraven (the character most heavily tied, in a literary sense, to Viserion).

Tyrion signs a bunch of promissory notes for the Second Sons' officers with ordinary ink, but then signs the Second Sons' own book with his own blood. Given Illyrio's comment about "contracts writ in blood", this could be a hint that Tyrion will end up reneging on the promissory notes (and Tyrion was contemplating the notes going unfulfilled even as he was signing them) while still remaining a member of the Second Sons. (Alternatively, if Tyrion ends up leaving the Second Sons despite "signing in blood", that could foreshadow the Golden Company ultimately abandoning Aegon.)

Interesting and much appreciated. I should of clarified in storm they seem to be associated with each other. I wonder if it may also foreshadow "betrayals" Jorah, Daario, Reznak (in dance) or maybe just paths she shouldn't take. The Jorah one is in the chapter where he says they should make for slaver's bay right? In her first chapter, Viserion is wrapped around the tree then flies away, telling her to leave? That said bloodraven seems to be backing Jon.

I think that Cersie's council chapter in Feast is littered with foreshadowing, (war in the vale, the iron born and the north dividing up the north (if the hammer is called) and they mention that the gold company may be tired of fighting on the losing side

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Let him grow taller, she asked the gods. Let him know sixteen, and twenty, and fifty. Let him grow as tall as his father, and hold his own son in his arms. Please, please, please.

Cat makes this prayer for Robb, but I think the prayer has gone to Jon. This could foreshadow he will be as tall as his father, Rhaegar, and have his own sons.

The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snaked whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone. Behind the cliffs tall fires were eating up the stars.

There have been plenty of interpretations for this, but I think it foreshadows Dany coming to WF as the Northmen will refuse to take her as their queen.

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After that came a savory snake stew, chunks of seven different sorts of snake slow-simmered in dragon peppers and blood oranges and a dash of venom to give it good bite.

All Dornishmen were snakes, and the Martells were the worst of them.

I think we will see seven members of the Martell family die in the series, with the snakes described as simmered in dragon peppers to hint at the reasons for their demise. Oberyn and Quentyn are already dead. When a weak Doran hears about what happened Quentyn, it may kill him. Arianne will perish in the second Dance of Dragons. Oberyn's daughters Obara, Tyene and Nymeria will join him to the grave with Tyene likely being killed when Cersei scours Baelor's Sept where Tyene is getting close to the HS, and Obara and Nymeria may perish in the second Dance of Dragons.

Or the seventh couldn't be Oberyn, but Sarella Sand who dies in Oldtown due to either Euron's assault, Jaqen or Dany burning the city, but I'm a bit reluctant to name her since she seems to use her brain and is away from her family's political machinations. I think it is rather Elia, who is named for a dead woman and is akin to the KoLT, Lyanna, who also died.

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I wonder if the blood oranges that fall in Hotah's first chapter represent the Martell's death, i need to go back and count. It's also interesting that in Dany's first chapter Viserion knocks down a pear and it lands at her feet, I can't make a connection.

In Hotah's chapter he mentions how Tyrene has Oberyn's eyes but different hair and eye color, would Barriston make the R + L connection and that's why Martin had him not go to winterfell. Maybe a little weak since others had seen both, but maybe they just saw what they wanted to see, Jon being a bastard.

This one is a stretch, but Dany thinks Quentin is called frog because maybe he can leap (fly as we see later) farther than the others. Euron wants to leap (fly) and Vic tells him to jump out a window. Arya wants to climb like Bran (fly) and escape her tower in Game take her good boots (daren's boots) and go to Jon on the wall. In cat of the canals, Arya is the one who pushes the boat off and runs and jumps to get on, because she can leap farther than the others?

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In ACOK. Before entering the inn to talk to Sallador Saan, Davos (Paraphrase as dont have books to hand) ....

Stops to pat a Gargoyle, no taller than his waist for luck. The Gargoyles face is worn away and disfigured from rain & salt, Davos Muses how he and the Gargoyle are like old friends.

Tyrion:

Dwarf, no taller than Davos waist

Face disfigured

Many times branded a monster (Gargoyle)

Several times is patted on the head by sailors for luck.

Foreshadowing of a intentional or reluctant alliance between Tyrion & Davos?

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It's probably been mentioned but Old Nan saying to Bran

"Crows are all liars."

Foreshadowing that he needs to not listen to Bloodraven? Plus in the show they added "don't listen to it." Perhaps GRRM told them that Bloodraven is going to be misleading Bran?

“So do you, Sam. Have a swift, safe voyage, and take care of her and Aemon and the child.” The cold trickles on his face reminded Jon of the day he’d bid farewell to Robb at Winterfell, never knowing that it was for the last time. “And pull your hood up. The snowflakes are melting in your hair.”

Perhaps hinting at the future. When Jon left Robb, the one who stayed died and the one who left rose to greatness. Will Jon die (I think he did) and Sam rise to greatness? Maybe.

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The dragon has three heads

Three-headed Trios has the tower with the three turrets. The first head devours the dying, and the reborn emerge from the third. I don't know what the middle head's supposed to do.

I think it is akin to Varamyr Sixskins. He has six skins, the skins of his five animals and his own. Jon having three heads could be the heads of Ghost and Drogon along with his own. The first head could be Drogon, who roasts a dying Barsena and devours her along with the boar. The third head could be Ghost since after spending some time in Ghost, Jon will be reborn. The middle head is Jon's own head, the head in the middle between the direwolf (representative of House Stark) and the dragon (representative of House Targaryen), the balance between ice and fire.

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The dragon has three heads

Three-headed Trios has the tower with the three turrets. The first head devours the dying, and the reborn emerge from the third. I don't know what the middle head's supposed to do.

I think it is akin to Varamyr Sixskins. He has six skins, the skins of his five animals and his own. Jon having three heads could be the heads of Ghost and Drogon along with his own. The first head could be Drogon, who roasts a dying Barsena and devours her along with the boar. The third head could be Ghost since after spending some time in Ghost, Jon will be reborn. The middle head is Jon's own head, the head in the middle between the direwolf (representative of House Stark) and the dragon (representative of House Targaryen), the balance between ice and fire.

shouldnt be it another dragon like viserion, because that dragon is white in colour, and Drogon belongs to Dany, she has already ridden him so he cant be Jons

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shouldnt be it another dragon like viserion, because that dragon is white in colour, and Drogon belongs to Dany, she has already ridden him so he cant be Jons

She has ridden Drogon, but he hasn't been magically bound to her like Aegon and his sisters' dragons, so technically Drogon can still be ridden by someone else.

Besides there is this

"Snow."

Sam glanced up at the sound. Lord Commander Mormont's raven was circling the fire, beating the air with wide black wings.

Drogon's wide black wings beat the air.

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I always thought the name of the dragon Viserion foreshadowed his character and/or role he would play. He's name after Viserys, who was not exactly sane, had a bad temper and was hard to control (Illyrio tells Tyrion he tried to rape Daenerys the night before her wedding to Drogo, threatening to destroy all their plans for the sake of instant gratification). Also, notice how Viserys always says "you'll wake the dragon" and in one of Barristan's chapters in DWD, if I'm not mistaken, when the dragons have escaped after Dany leaves Meereen on Drogon, Barristan is informed that Viserion is sleeping on top of a pyramid after burning its inhabitants. This gives an implication of people fearing of "waking the dragon", i.e. the sleeping Viserion. I think the names the dragons have foreshadow their temperaments and the roles they will play later one. Some people have suggested that they have part of the souls of the people they're named after, but I disagree- I think it's much subtler than that.

Clues for Drogon: like Drogo, he's the most ferocious and wild-looking, and seems the most dangerous, but he's devoted and loyal to Dany and tries to protect her, e.g. in the House of the Undying, or when he burns the slavers.

Rhaegal: Stronger than Viserion and more subtle and less erratic, much like Rhaegar vs. Viserys. Barristan reflects that while quieter, Rhaegal is the real threat, not Viserion. Much like Viserys always making a fuss and threatening people, but always failing to deliver.

(Possibly crackpot) theory that came to me just now: could this predict how the dragons will act later on? Rhaegal will fight for Daenerys (with another rider, perhaps), but will die at war. Viserion will betray her and turn against her (like Viserys betrayed her by selling her to Drogo and then trying to kill her and her baby) and will be killed by Drogon (like Viserys was killed by Khal Drogo). Drogon will fight the Others and help win the war against them, but will later be sacrificed by Dany (or someone else, if Dany dies) to keep the realm safe, because, let's face it, dragons are dangerous.

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“Snow,” the moon called down again, cackling. The white wolf padded along the man trail

beneath the icy cliff. The taste of blood was on his tongue, and his ears rang to the song of the hundred

cousins. Once they had been six, five whimpering blind in the snow beside their dead mother, sucking

cool milk from her hard dead nipples whilst he crawled off alone. Four remained … and one the white

wolf could no longer sense.

“Snow,” the moon insisted.

The white wolf ran from it, racing toward the cave of night where the sun had hidden, his breath

frosting in the air. On starless nights the great cliff was as black as stone, a darkness towering high above

the wide world, but when the moon came out it shimmered pale and icy as a frozen stream. The wolf’s

pelt was thick and shaggy, but when the wind blew along the ice no fur could keep the chill out. On the

other side the wind was colder still, the wolf sensed. That was where his brother was, the grey brother

who smelled of summer.

Foreshadowing Jon warging as Ghost and going far north and finding Bran in the cave maybe.

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