Official Court of Law: Stannis Baratheon

[willi-E-Lannister]

I move to have this trial dismissed/moved to a later date on account, to coincide the finish of the war. Due to the pretext of Roberts rebellion it is accepted that through war succession is acceptable course. Stannis is making his claim the same way Robert did! It was accepted that he ruled when he won the throne.

So till a time comes that his claim is without merit, I say we move the date of the trial, or if later date isn't possible move to dismiss all counts .

[Mikken]

Why isn't adultry on this list of crimes?

[ShadowCat Rivers]

1. Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

1.1 Charges dismissed because of doubt (not sure if he knew).

1.2 Guilty, he knew what he was doing. Proved by sending Davos in secret.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

Not Guilty. They never were lawful king nor lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

3.3 Lord Alester Florent

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt”

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell.

The last four by means of burning alive.

Guilty for 3.2 as there was never a trial. For 3.1 see 1.1. Not guilty for the rest, they were lawfully executed.

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

Objection! You can't blame someone for using a method of execution that is accepted by this very court as a punishment!

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

Guilty for both.

The defendant is guilty for 1.2, 3.2, 5.1 and 5.2 and is condemned to be sent to serve at the Wall.

[I Remain Unvanquished]

Maleficium- Dismissed both counts. Sorcery is not a crime in Westros

Treason-

2.1 Not guilty. Joffery Baratheon (Waters) is not the rightful king of Westros.

2.2 Not guilty. Since Lord Roose Bolton was made Warden of the North by the false king Joffery Baratheon (Waters), he has no rightful claim to the title.

Murder-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon- Not Guilty by means of self defense. Lord Renly was getting ready to kill his brother when Mel's shaddowbaby slit his throat. Lord Stannis acted to save his own life and the lives of his men. Furthermore Lord Renly was a traitor to the crown and the price of treason has always been death.

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose- Not guilty. Ser Courtney Penrose was holding Storms End for the traitor Lord Renly Baratheon and refused to open the gates and bend the knee to the rightful king.

3.3 Lord Alestor Florent- Not Guilty. Lord Alestor Florent was a convicted traitor who was lawfully executed.

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass- Not Guilty. Lord Sunglass was killed under the orders of Lady Selyse Baratheon while her husband was away fighting the Battle of the Blackwater.

3.5 The Lord of Bones ailias "Rattleshirt"- Not Guilty. Mel switched the Lord of Bones for Mance Rayder without Stannis's knowledge.

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell- Not Guilty. The three soldiers commited cannibalism and were lawfully executed for it.

Torture-

4.1 Dismissed. Burning is an acceptable method of execution is Westros and is in fact upheld by this very court.

Sacrilege

5.1 Guilty

5.2 Guilty

I sentance King Stannis Baratheon to a monetary fine to the ammount to rebuild the sept at Dragonstone and replant the weirwood trees he desecrated in the North

[Stannis Eats No Peaches]

Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

Vote for dismissal. He had no knowledge of what had happened. This was war, so it was not a crime.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

Not guilty. Joffrey is not the rightful king, therefore the defendant's rebellion is justified.

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

Not guilty. They were at war and these men were traitors.

3.3 Lord Alester Florent

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass

Not guilty. These men betrayed the defendant and were legally executed.

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt”

Not guilty. The defendant thought that he was lawfully executing Mance Rayder, the so-called "King Beyond the Wall", for oath breaking. Lady Mellisandre of Asshai was solely to blame for the death of The Lord of Bones.

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell.

Not guilty. These men were lawfully excecuted for the crime of cannibalism.

The last four by means of burning alive.

An irrelevant point.

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

Vote for dismissal. The executions were lawfull.

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

Guilty.

I find the defendant, Stannis of House Baratheon, the First of his name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, guilty of the charge of sacrilege alone and I have decided that his punishment should be to pay a monetary fine to rebuild the sept on Dragonstone and to compensate the northern lords.

[Alester Florent]

1.1 Dismissed. Using assassins is hardly a crime.

1.2 Dismissed. Using assassins is hardly a crime.

It is absolutely a crime! What jurisdiction are you living in?

My verdict will come later.

In response to a number of posters suggesting that, e.g. "Stannis is the law", I would also note the various precedents set by this court ruling that sovereign immunity is inapplicable in these cases. If an action is unlawful, it does not become lawful simply because the actor has declared himself sovereign. To put it another way, a proper execution carried out by due process of law is fine (it's lawful); killing someone randomly and going "yeah, I'm the king so it doesn't count" is no defence at all.

[Talleyrand]

1. Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon - Guilty.

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose - Guilty.

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

- Void. Treason is only a crime once he's lost.

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon - Guilty. Stannis went back upon the previously given truce until the morning.

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose - Guilty. Penrose had no obligation to open the gates of Storm's End to Stannis, having never sworn an oath to him. Making it murder rather than punishment.

3.3 Lord Alester Florent - Not guilty. Florent betrayed his sworn oath.

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass - Not guilty. Though execution was not necessary, Guncer had taken no action against his lord.

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt” - Not guilty. A miscarriage of justice due to the Red Priestess, her crime not Stannis'.

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell. - Not guilty. They disobeyed Stannis' orders.

The last four by means of burning alive.

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

- Not Guilty. Stannis holds the right of pits and gallows he can punish them as he sees fit.

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

- Guilty on both counts.

Punishment: Sent to the wall, he can do better for the realm there than he would as King.

[E-Ro]

Why isn't adultry on this list of crimes?

Since when is sex between consenting adults a crime?

[E-Ro]

It is absolutely a crime! What jurisdiction are you living in?

My verdict will come later.

In response to a number of posters suggesting that, e.g. "Stannis is the law", I would also note the various precedents set by this court ruling that sovereign immunity is inapplicable in these cases. If an action is unlawful, it does not become lawful simply because the actor has declared himself sovereign. To put it another way, a proper execution carried out by due process of law is fine (it's lawful); killing someone randomly and going "yeah, I'm the king so it doesn't count" is no defence at all.

The only people stannis has executed we're criminals of the worst sort. Traitors and cannibals. Furthermore assassinating your enemy in war is a crime? Well that's news to me. The whole point if warfare is to kill your enemy. Stannis killing renly was not only self defense against a numerically superior opponent but saved many lives of soldiers by skipping the battle.

[Mikken]

Since when is sex between consenting adults a crime?

Read up on King Henry VIII

Granted, it was mostly women who were charged with this in relation to the royal family.

[E-Ro]

Read up on King Henry VII

Granted, it was mostly women who were charged with this in relation to the royal family.

Numerous men in the seven kingdoms have mistresses and frequent brothers. Many make no attempt to even hide it. What happened to king Henry the Vll wives deaths doesn't apply at all.

[Tiberiu Mircea Pamint]

I find him not guilty of all the accusations. Most were already proven by fellow members of this thread.

I would simply add:

1)Why would dark magic be something bad, it would be like saying dragons are bad just because dany has access to them or because most people don't know anymore how to defend against it. It is Renly's fault for leaving Storms End, and with Renly's death Storms End would be Stannis property again.

So dark magic = not guilty since it is a weapon just like swords and bows and can be defended against( the 2 targets are of fault for not taking more protection or not believing in it to begin with).

2)The burning of the sept and of the woods.

a)Sept - when the 7 came to Westeros they burned and chopped the trees to begin with so its just karmic justice.

b)Woods - Law end at the Wall . There is no rule or law saying it is not allowed.

[Aelos]

Although it seems most here assume Stannis doesn't know about the shadow killing Renly, though the series clearly implies that he does. Because I cannot believe something like that would be plotted behind the champion's back, I judge Stannis Guilty as charged on both Diabolitical murders.

The exact wording escapes me, but if Robert named Joffrey as his heir and it hasn't been proven (in court) that Joffrey is born from incest. Stannis is guilty of treason until he wins the war.

Murder .1 and .2 is Guilty, others cannot count as such.

Torture, meh, not guilty

Sacrilege, guilty.

Punishment: Execution by sword.

[Alester Florent]

The only people stannis has executed we're criminals of the worst sort. Traitors and cannibals. Furthermore assassinating your enemy in war is a crime? Well that's news to me. The whole point if warfare is to kill your enemy. Stannis killing renly was not only self defense against a numerically superior opponent but saved many lives of soldiers by skipping the battle.

A state of war might make the actions lawful, but hiring an assassin is otherwise a crime, whereas the poster to whom I responded seemed to be under the impression that hiring assassins was completely legal under any circumstances. As for the executions, if they were conducted lawfully, then that's fine.

My objection was to those judges who seek to whitewash the list of charges by operation of a blanket defence of sovereign immunity - a defence previously ruled inapplicable.

[Warrior Queen]

1. Maleficium:

1.1 Guilty Murdered without any trial, and it does not count as a war act. Killing in battle would have.

1.2 Guilty Murdered without any trial

2.Treason

2.1 Not Guilty: Joffrey Lannister was never the rightful king

2.2 Not Guilty: Joffrey Lannister was never the rightful king and could therefor not name Roose Bolton the warden of the North

3. Murder

3.1 Guilty as stated above

3.2 Guilty as stated above

3.3 Not Guilty Alester Florent committed treason against the king he swore to follow. Death is a common punishment for treason.

3.4 Guilty Following a different religion is not treason, and Lord Sunglass openly stated he could not follow him if it meant he had to take the Lord of Light for his God. He also was burned to death without any trial

3.5 Guilty Never had any trail and was killed in place of another. The Lord of Bones was a horrible men, but had never committed any treason against Stannis.

3.6 Undecided due to the fact that I can't remember the reason for their death. If they died for a sacrifire to R'hllor it is Guilty.

4. Tortute

Not Guilty Burning is a legitimated way to act out a death sentence, but only if the defended has been given a trial.

5. Sacrilege

5.1 Guilty Westeros is a country with freedom of religion, other religions therefor should be respected and not destroyed

5.2 Guilty Westeros is a country with freedom of religion, other religions therefor should be respected and not destroyed

Verdict: Prison sentence and a monetary fine

[W.Kane]

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon - Guilty. Stannis went back upon the previously given truce until the morning.

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose - Guilty. Penrose had no obligation to open the gates of Storm's End to Stannis, having never sworn an oath to him. Making it murder

3.1

first: Renly died exactly at dawn , Stannis warned him , when he said : "come the dawn , we shall see" .

so basically Stannis didn't break any agreement.

second: Stannis didn't knew about shadowbaby .

third : Renly was a traitor , either to Stannis or to Joffrey. punishment of treason is Death.

3.2

Penrose was just a castellan , and nothing more , and Stannis owns Storms End , he is also the rightful king and the head of house Baratheon .

Penrose should have bent the knee and begged for mercy instead he insisted on his treason and even insulted Stannis.

the irony is that he was willing to yield the castle to anyone! other than its rightful owner!!! , he was an ignorant traitor , he got what he deserved .

that's why , Stannis refused to give him an honorable death (combat) because he didn't deserve it.

[Winds of Winter blow cold]

I'm having some trouble will have to make my ruling later.

[Mikken]

3.1

third : Renly was a traitor , either to Stannis or to Joffrey. punishment of treason is Death.

By that logic, Stannis himself is a traitor to Aerys, Viserys, and currently Daenerys.

[W.Kane]

A state of war might make the actions lawful, but hiring an assassin is otherwise a crime, whereas the poster to whom I responded seemed to be under the impression that hiring assassins was completely legal under any circumstances. As for the executions, if they were conducted lawfully, then that's fine.

My objection was to those judges who seek to whitewash the list of charges by operation of a blanket defence of sovereign immunity - a defence previously ruled inapplicable.

Renly the traitor was coming to crush Stannis with his big army , thousands would die in that war , it was a self defense against a traitor.

Penrose was also a traitor who refused to yield the castle . killing him was lawful the manner of his death doesn't matter.

[Ame]

The Charges against the Defendant, Lord Stannis Baratheon, styling himself King of Westeros, are as follows:-

1. Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

3.3 Lord Alester Florent

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt”

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell.

The last four by means of burning alive.

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

1.2 Not guilty; Renly rose in rebellion against Stannis; making himself a perfectly legitimate target for a targeted killing; besides the laws of warfare Stannis has a rock solid not guilty on grounds of self defense because Renly was actually trying to kill him.

1.2. Not guilty; Ser Courtney Penrose was waging war on Stannis and actively trying to sell his loyalty for a battle. Stannis is again as allowed to kill enemy leaders as enemy leaders are allowed to kill him; which they would if they could. A long siege would have caused many more deaths; he has some sympathy the way he tries to swear fealty to anyone willing to come and save him; but he was still in open arms against his king.

2.1 Joffrey isn't a Baratheon; making Stannis Robert's heir and he hasn't fought Aegon or Dany yet so he has the best claim to the throne of any of the people he has met in combat charge dismissed.

2.2 Tywin is no longer hand; Joffrey not being king had no authority to make him hand so he can not appoint wardens of the north; neither could his daughter Cersei-charge dismissed.

3.1-Not guilty; rules of warfare and self defense

3.2-Not guilty enemy officers are fair game

3.3 Not guilty, everyone punishes treason with death

3.4 Not guilty, he wasn't there and didn't order or know about his burning

3.5 Not guilty it was a lawful execution for his crimes

3.6 Not guilty, he was punishing cannibalism and other crimes

4. Guilty as charged, burning really is torture and all executions by burning he does he would answer for in this court

5.1 Not guilty. He is lord of Dragonstone giving him a right to determine what it houses

5.2 Mistrial, if he wins the game of thrones becoming king not guilty because as king he had sovereignty, if he loses guilty.

Punishment-None really seem like a good sentence for torture when the torture is an execution because they were still going to die anyway their death is just more painful. The Wall and a prison sentence are too harsh for ordering a more brutal form of execution then needed, while a monetary fine is just too weak.