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His point is modern soldiers are evil; you are giving him an agreement to seem like the good guy in an argument about the modern world; you shouldn't. My points were that the US army like other armies from civilized nation doesn't condone rape, massacre, enslavement of natives, holding cities to ransom etc. His counter argument is that if you see the army as good you must be an American; which is as snobbish as it is racist. You really can not support the troops if you think they are a bunch of murderers and rapists; you have to pick a side because what both of us said can not be true. Modern soldiers are honorable heroes compared to their ancient, medieval, and early modern counter parts.

The only thing you have said that is correct is this is the wrong forum to discuss the Falklands, an island inhabited by Britons which has a population that wants to remain a part of Britain; which is hundreds of miles from Argentine Territorial Waters; and which Argentina tried to take in a war of aggression. It is sophisticated to claim that a western European power is wrong; but Argentina has no claim to the Falklands.

Fortunately it is only partly off topic.

There are no examples of a nation with an advantage not using it; you could go from anyone post-Bronze Age to today. I don't think anyone called Hittites using iron criminal.

I happen to think he raises some pretty good points about the state of US foreign policy. And yes, I can support the individual soldiers while being aware of the current issues with US foreign policy and the systematic problems within our military. If you view it as either/or that is okay. However, I don't see it that way...and no where have I indicated I think the majority of soldiers are rapists and murderers. I would appreciate it if you did not put words in my mouth.

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Hmm...this is the extent of what I was looking for when the other poster said last he/she checked. I was looking for some sort of reference about rules to single combat that would discredit my notion of what the act of proposing single combat represented. The basis of my argument is that because Stannis turned down the offer of single combat he can no longer press the issue. Thus going back and assassinating Penrose was illegal. Your post has effectively punched a serious hole into my argument, now I need to reconsider my judgement on that charge. Good job.

Thank you, I should still ask however that burning be removed from the list of punishments; I consider it torture under all circumstances; if you don't I will understand however.

Again, I did not call you American, I said that most likely were from the USA, cause, well, USA is USA. and I'm neither Communist of Fascist (do you even know what a fascist is?) I'm a socialist, and even there, I don't like political "bands".

Well you said non-capitalist source.

No matter how you slice it you came in with at best a snobbish argument, your history has been off 100%, you make allegations that are absolutely untrue, and the way you make up for it is what is popular with self described "sophisticated" snobs of attacking Americans for using the term American to describe themselves; which is actually accurate. During the Revolutionary War did you know modern nations other then the rebels were European colonies? We are the United States of America a union of 50 different American states; what business is it of yours what name we use anyway? It is no more your business then it is your business what the Falklanders call themselves and which nation they chose to be a part of.

I will use the term American thank you; there are no other terms to describe people from all 50 states, and your snobbishly noting that there are other nations in America (which did NOT exist during the American Revolution or Constitutional Convention) will not change the term I use; or get significant numbers of Americans to want the term changed.

I don't think you know what capitalism means; I do think however that you are a snob; and your posts show it plainly. You dismissed me for being an American; if I did the same to you for being Argentine that would be racist; but fortunately for you the United States of America is not an ethnic nation state like yours so you are a snob not a racist.

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Thank you, I should still ask however that burning be removed from the list of punishments; I consider it torture under all circumstances; if you don't I will understand however.

Well you said non-capitalist source.

No matter how you slice it you came in with at best a snobbish argument, your history has been off 100%, you make allegations that are absolutely untrue, and the way you make up for it is what is popular with self described "sophisticated" snobs of attacking Americans for using the term American to describe themselves; which is actually accurate. During the Revolutionary War did you know modern nations other then the rebels were European colonies? We are the United States of America a union of 50 different American states; what business is it of yours what name we use anyway? It is no more your business then it is your business what the Falklanders call themselves and which nation they chose to be a part of.

I will use the term American thank you; there are no other terms to describe people from all 50 states, and your snobbishly noting that there are other nations in America (which did NOT exist during the American Revolution or Constitutional Convention) will not change the term I use; or get significant numbers of Americans to want the term changed.

About burning as a sentence, it is something we will have to vote on, I don't want to get into the habit of just changing things without giving consideration to everyone else. SeanF is the man in charge so ask him to have a vote on it and I'm sure he will accomodate.
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Thank you, I should still ask however that burning be removed from the list of punishments; I consider it torture under all circumstances; if you don't I will understand however.

Well you said non-capitalist source.

No matter how you slice it you came in with at best a snobbish argument, your history has been off 100%, you make allegations that are absolutely untrue, and the way you make up for it is what is popular with self described "sophisticated" snobs of attacking Americans for using the term American to describe themselves; which is actually accurate. During the Revolutionary War did you know modern nations other then the rebels were European colonies? We are the United States of America a union of 50 different American states; what business is it of yours what name we use anyway? It is no more your business then it is your business what the Falklanders call themselves and which nation they chose to be a part of.

I will use the term American thank you; there are no other terms to describe people from all 50 states, and your snobbishly noting that there are other nations in America (which did NOT exist during the American Revolution or Constitutional Convention) will not change the term I use; or get significant numbers of Americans to want the term changed.

I don't want to sound like a douch but... You are kidding right? America is a continent, so Americans are the abitants of ANY country in America. and there are terms to call people from the USA, like... Yank, Yanki, and others that are not so proper so... ANYWAy I will end this here, cause it's clear that you are totally blind politically, historically and geographically.

America = continent

North America= Sub Continent

United states of America= A country (by the way, when they selected the name, they were 13 states n_n)

it's simple.

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I happen to think he raises some pretty good points about the state of US foreign policy. And yes, I can support the individual soldiers while being aware of the current issues with US foreign policy and the systematic problems within our military. If you view it as either/or that is okay. However, I don't see it that way...and no where have I indicated I think the majority of soldiers are rapists and murderers. I would appreciate it if you did not put words in my mouth.

No you can not support the troops if you think they are rapists who are killing and beating people for not being Christian; his sole point was that American Soldiers are raping and pillaging just like Roman soldiers.

If you support the mass rape and slaughter he claims the US Army is doing you are a bad person; you have no room to support the US troops if you believe him. Here is his sarcasm

Yeah, They don't rape, the don't torture war prisoners, they don't rape womans and kill their childrens, They don't destroy years and years of culture just for some litres of gas and fuel. They don't destroy houses and schools, and if they see a child, they don't hit him like a dog so he can get out of the way, Cause he is no christian. Soldiers nowadays are heroes, heroes that can kill a village with only one weapon.

I'm sorry if you believe that is what the US Army is doing on a large scale on purpose and support the individual soldiers doing it you can not support the troops. You have to choose between believing someone who's first argument is saying I am most likely an American who attacks "capitalist media" is right and supporting the troops; you have no middle ground.

I don't want to sound like a douch but... You are kidding right? America is a continent, so Americans are the abitants of ANY country in America. and there are terms to call people from the USA, like... Yank, Yanki, and others that are not so proper so... ANYWAy I will end this here, cause it's clear that you are totally blind politically, historically and geographically.

America = continent

North America= Sub Continent

United states of America= A country (by the way, when they selected the name, they were 13 states n_n)

it's simple.

The F in history goes to the failure in the corner.

The name of the nation is The United States of America. We are Americans. America is also the name of the continent. When we declared independence we were colonies with not too much in common, and all of South America along with Mexico and Canada were European colonies. Romania isn't in Rome and they are descendents of Dacians not Romans; you have no more right to rename us then you have a right to rename the Falklanders; but never fear I have no intention of keeping up this conversation with you. You are a snob and a political zealot who believes propaganda from non-reputable sources I just hope you someday realize how far into darkness you are; and I hope you and people like you don't start another war with the UK which would be another unprovoked war of aggression; would have the same results, and would end many lives on both sides.

Yankee refers to people North of Mason Dixie by the way, The South are Dixies so please stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about besides what your propaganda tells you.

You called me an American as your first line of attack; it shows how big a jerk you are and it shows why this conversation is over after you tried to attack me for being an American who calls myself American.

God Bless America by the way, and may Obama continue to defend us justly by use of modern means and not take advice from people who would have us use the horse and the sword for war.

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No you can not support the troops if you think they are rapists who are killing and beating people for not being Christian; his sole point was that American Soldiers are raping and pillaging just like Roman soldiers.

If you support the mass rape and slaughter he claims the US Army is doing you are a bad person; you have no room to support the US troops if you believe him. Here is his sarcasm

I'm sorry if you believe that is what the US Army is doing on a large scale on purpose and support the individual soldiers doing it you can not support the troops. You have to choose between believing someone who's first argument is saying I am most likely an American who attacks "capitalist media" is right and supporting the troops; you have no middle ground.

Yeah, well contrary to what you believe. I do pretty well supporting the troops while having issues with foreign policy and systematic issues within the military structure. Troops--I will note very often abandoned by said military structure after they retirement/disability. However, please feel free to keep putting words in my mouth. In addition I said military indicating all branches. Actually, it isn't hard for me to say that someone raises a good argument whether I agree or disagree. Of course I have a middle ground. Your opinion and assumption doesn't change the reality of my views and beliefs. Whether you believe it is possible or not isn't my concern.

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Yeah, well contrary to what you believe. I do pretty well supporting the troops while having issues with foreign policy and systematic issues within the military structure. Troops--I will note very often abandoned by said military structure after they retirement/disability. However, please feel free to keep putting words in my mouth. In addition I said military indicating all branches. Actually, it isn't hard for me to say that someone raises a good argument whether I agree or disagree. Of course I have a middle ground. Your opinion and assumption doesn't change the reality of my views and beliefs. Whether you believe it is possible or not isn't my concern.

You really aren't listening to what people are saying.

I didn't support war in Iraq and don't support war in Afghanistan.

What the person you said had a good point claimed was that the US Army structure, beliefs, and what most of the soldiers are doing is raping the women, killing the children, and beating people for not being christian and destroying centuries of culture and civilization to steal oil and gas.

If you believe any of his accusations and support the troops you are just not a good person.

He didn't raise any of your issues; and I put no words in his or your mouth; I'm sorry you don't have the patience to read a post but I clearly said you misread him.

He didn't mention retirement homes; and I quoted exactly what he claimed the US Army as an institution and individuals are doing and if you believe him you and still support the troops you are lost.

It isn't an assumption it is what he actually said; you were trying to sound moderate which is why you agreed with a self described socialist who thinks our soldiers have a policy of raping all the women they want to.

The issue I brought up was that as both an institution and individuals the US Army like other armies such as the French Army doesn't rape, doesn't pillage etc. He claimed that isn't true. You claimed his claiming that isn't true was a good point. If you really think he had a good point please stop supporting the troops because you think they are a bunch of rapists if that is a good point. I have foreign policy issues to; the difference is I am not willing to concede it is a good point that our soldiers are a bunch of animals who go around raping people with impunity and then cite socialist magazines as my source after calling someone who told me I was wrong an American thinking that makes me right.

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Doesn't surprise me. Par for the course for Stannis thread. :devil: And for my final note on the topic Ame brought up before her edit--thankfully the people that matter in my life think I am a pretty good person. :cool4:

I think you are and I did not edit in any meaningful way and give moderators permission to revert it completely. I think you are a good person who accidently saw your beliefs where they weren't stated; and that you don't think

Yeah, They don't rape, the don't torture war prisoners, they don't rape womans and kill their childrens, They don't destroy years and years of culture just for some litres of gas and fuel. They don't destroy houses and schools, and if they see a child, they don't hit him like a dog so he can get out of the way, Cause he is no christian. Soldiers nowadays are heroes, heroes that can kill a village with only one weapon.

As a sarcastic way to say our soldiers do that is a valid point; do you? You have to either think the US Army is full of rapists or that it is mostly good people

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His grace, Stannis Baratheon, first of his name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men and Lord Protector of the Realm, is hereby found not guilty on all accused crimes except for the unlawful murder of his brother, Lord Renly Baratheon of Storm's End and Master of Laws.

However, given the circumstances of Renly's death, as well as the refused forfeit of kingship on Renly I's part, Stannis is hereby charged a monetary fine to Renly's closest friend and Lord Commander of his Kingsguard, Loras Tyrell.

Result: Monetary Fine.

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Could we please stick to discussing Stannis Baratheon, rather than US foreign policy or the Falklands War.

Have you seen all those poor, innocent threads that got turned into Stannis threads? Karma's a bitch.

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