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Official Court of Law: Stannis Baratheon


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We're trying a lot of controversial characters lately. Daenerys, Catelyn, and now Stannis.

Anyway:

1. Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

Not guilty. The two names mentioned above committed treason by not supporting the true king, and of course treason is punished by death.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

2.1 Not guilty. Joffrey Baratheon (In truth Joffrey Waters/or Hill) was NOT the late King Robert Baratheons true heir as he was born of incest between the Queen Cersei Lannister and her brother Ser Jaime Lannister thus having no claim to the throne. Since King Robert Baratheon had no true born heirs, the throne passes to his next brother who is King Stannis Baratheon I

2.2 Not guilty. As mentioned above, the king on the Iron Throne has no claim. So no lawful decision was made

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

3.3 Lord Alester Florent

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt”

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell.

The last four by means of burning alive.

Not guilty as all of them were either traitors or criminals

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

Dismissed. Death by flames is a common way of execution

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

Guilty of both counts.

Verdict: Guilty of the 5th charge

Sentence: Monetary fine.

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By that logic, Stannis himself is a traitor to Aerys, Viserys, and currently Daenerys.

of course he was, he was a traitor to his king, but his side won the rebellion and he was pardoned by the new king .

but the difference is , Robbert rebellion is justified because of Aerys actions. although Lords are sworn to protect and obey their king, the king himself has duty ,too.

he must protect the realm and rule justly but Aerys was destroying the realm and killing his people unjustly.

but Renly had no good reason when he rebelled against Joffrey and then tried to usurp his brother's throne and breaking the law of succession and ultimately he tried to kill Stannis.

Renly's idealogy was " might makes right" in other word " the law of jungle" , but he didn't have the might he taught he has , he lost to his brother's might and died.

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1. Maleficium

1.1 It is the law to defend yourself and treason is punishable by death.

1.2 same as 1.2

Dismissed

2. Treason

2.1 Lord Stannis is Late King Robert’s rightfull heir by blood. Joffrey Waters called Baratheon is an abomination born of incest and a usurper.

2. 2 Lord Stannis is Late King Robert’s rightfull heir by blood. Joffrey Waters called Baratheon is an abomination born of incest and a usurper. Dolton was appointed by the usurper who has no real power.

Dismissed

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon was a traitor; the punishment for treason is death.

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose was a traitor; the punishment for treason is death.

3.3 Lord Alester Florent was a traitor; the punishment for treason is death.

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass was a traitor; the punishment for treason is death.

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt” was a criminal; the punishment for it is death.

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell were criminals; the punishment for it is death.

Dismissed

4. Torture

It was execution not torture.

Dismissed

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 Dragonstone is Lord Stannis seat. His rules but because of the freedom of religion guilty

5.2 The Weirwood are valuable Guity

Verdict Guilty of Sacrilege in 5 Sentence a monetary fine.Charges 1,2,3 & 4 are dismissed

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I just noticed; if the burning people is a crime when used as punishment shouldn't the court remove it from it's own list of punishments? What happens if Stannis is sentenced to burn do the judges and executioners and jury have to burn next; then what about the next set of executioners?

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When Aerys targaryen burns people without trial it's called madness, when Stanis Baratheon does it it's called Justice...

but it is justice , we as the readers know that Brandon and Rickard were innocent by law when Aerys killed them , but all those people Stannis executed were traitors by law.

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but it is justice , we as the readers know that Brandon and Rickard were innocent by law when Aerys killed them , but all those people Stannis executed were traitors by law.

Rickard may have been, but Brandon is another matter. He showed up at the red keep with a bunch of his friends, swords drawn and calling for the crown prince's head. Seems a lot more treasonable than Alester Florent asking the Lanisters for a peace settlement.

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I just noticed; if the burning people is a crime when used as punishment shouldn't the court remove it from it's own list of punishments? What happens if Stannis is sentenced to burn do the judges and executioners and jury have to burn next; then what about the next set of executioners?

Good point. You can't accuse Stannis of torture, unless you remove burning from the punishment options. I vote to have this punishment removed as an option.

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The Charges against the Defendant, Lord Stannis Baratheon, styling himself King of Westeros, are as follows:-

1. Maleficium:-

Two Counts.

It is alleged that through the agency of the Medium, Melisandre of Asshai, the Defendant procured the deaths of:-

1.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

1.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

By means of the Diabolical Arts.

Dismissed on both cases, the murders were accomplished by the Red Witch, Melisandre, and not by his Lordship Stannis. Besides, sending assassins in times of war do not constitute a concrete offense.

2. Treason

Two Counts.

2.1 It is alleged that the Defendant unlawfully rose in rebellion against His Grace, Joffrey Baratheon, First of His Name, in violation of his oaths of fealty.

2.2 It is further alleged that the Defendant unlawfully waged war against Lord Roose Bolton, the lawfully appointed Warden of the North.

2.1: Guilty, Stannis does not hold any convincing evidence of the alledged bastardy of His Grace Joffrey Baratheon first of his name. Any act of open rebellion against the Crown with such feable proof is treason of the highest order.

2.2: Dismissed, due to the status of vassal that his Lordship Roose of House Boltons holds towards the Iron Throne. Starting a war with the Iron Throne (as his Lordship Stannis did in 2.1) implies starting a war with all Seven Kingdoms, North included.

3. Murder.

Six Counts:-

It is alleged that the Defendant intentionally, and unlawfully, killed the following people:-

3.1 Lord Renly Baratheon

3.2 Ser Courtney Penrose

3.3 Lord Alester Florent

3.4 Lord Guncer Sunglass

3.5 The Lord of Bones alias “Rattleshirt”

3.6 Three unnamed soldiers during the march to Winterfell.

The last four by means of burning alive.

3.1: Dismissed. While the death of Lord Renly was most dishonorable, Stannis cannot be held guilty for it. They were on opposing sides of a conflict, and last time I checked, resorting to assassins in wartime is perfectly lawful despite being somewhat morally reprehensible.

3.2: See 3.1

3.3: Not Guilty, Lord Florent's actions could be interpreted as treason against his (pretender) King. Stannis cannot be held responsible for how he treats his sworn subjects.

3.4: Dismissed. Lady Selyse ordered the execution of Lord Sunglass, not his Lordship Stannis.

3.5: Guilty. Rattleshirt, the Lord of Bones, was not given a proper trial, therefore his execution is most unlawful.

3.6: Undecided as of yet.

4. Torture

One count. It is alleged that burning alive, without due process of law, as set out in charges 3.3 to 3.6 above, amounts to torture.

Burning alive, while cruel, is a legitimate method of execution.

Dismissed on all four charges.

5. Sacrilege

Two counts:-

5.1 The Defendant unlawfully destroyed the Sept on Dragonstone with its statues of the Seven.

5.2 The Defendant unlawfully desecrated Weirwood trees in the North.

5.1: Not Guilty, while deplorable, Dragonstone was Lord Stannis's seat. He could do as he wished with the Sept.

5.2: Not Guilty, as the laws of Westeros do not apply beyond the Wall.

Seeing as Lord Stannis Baratheon unlawfully rose up against the Throne and our good king, His Grace Jofrey Baratheon the First of His Name (Gods preserve Him), I sentence him to death by fire. (Because karmic justice is the best kind of justice)

I also demand that the Sept on Dragonstone be rebuilt using funds remaining from Lord Stannis's estate. Lady Shireen can be restored her lands and titles if she bends the knee and accepts His Grace King Tommen I as her rightful king.

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Rickard may have been, but Brandon is another matter. He showed up at the red keep with a bunch of his friends, swords drawn and calling for the crown prince's head. Seems a lot more treasonable than Alester Florent asking the Lanisters for a peace settlement.

Brandon was hot headed, yes but he didn't deserved to die for it , he went there and demanded justice in his own ignorant way , but it does not justifies Aerys actions .

Alester tried to make peace with the enemy without Stannis permission and send shireen (Stannis only child) as hostage , it is a treason punishable by death IMO.

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Brandon was hot headed, yes but he didn't deserved to die for it , he went there and demanded justice in his own ignorant way , but it does not justifies Aerys actions .

Alester tried to make peace with the enemy without Stannis permission and send shireen (Stannis only child) as hostage , it is a treason punishable by death IMO.

He didn't only demand justice, he openly threatened the rightful King's heir in front of him.

Executing him was justified on Aerys's part. His companions and his father didn't deserve to die though.

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He didn't only demand justice, he openly threatened the rightful King's heir in front of him.

Executing him was justified on Aerys's part. His companions and his father didn't deserve to die though.

Executing him without trial though? Executing him dismissing the fact that he was looking for justice?
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He didn't only demand justice, he openly threatened the rightful King's heir in front of him.

Executing him was justified on Aerys's part. His companions and his father didn't deserve to die though.

threatening to kill someone is not punishable by death , and he was angry because the one he threatened to kill was responsible for his sister's abduction .

Aerys could have imprisoned him .

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Brandon was hot headed, yes but he didn't deserved to die for it , he went there and demanded justice in his own ignorant way , but it does not justifies Aerys actions .

Alester tried to make peace with the enemy without Stannis permission and send shireen (Stannis only child) as hostage , it is a treason punishable by death IMO.

So threatening a prince with death isn't treason, but offering a princess as a hostage is?

Executing him without trial though? Executing him dismissing the fact that he was looking for justice?

What kind of Trials does stannis give people? Do they get representation, a chance to defend their case, a jury of their peers or right of appeal? Nope this is the King's Justice, aka what Stannis says goes.

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but it is justice , we as the readers know that Brandon and Rickard were innocent by law when Aerys killed them , but all those people Stannis executed were traitors by law.

By which law?

Traitors to which "king"?

Stannis beeing the rightful king his highly debatable!

The Targaryans have been kings by conquest, and beeing "rightful" kings as long as nobody challenged them successfully.

Robert did, but also he was just a traitor and rebell untill he had won his rebellion!

As long as neither Cersei nor Jamie openly admit that Joffrey or Tommen are their children instead of Roberts Stannis is nothing more than a traitor who challenges the "rightful heir" - even if we, the readers, know that Joffrey and Tommer are not Roberts Children.

And also we have Renley claiming the iron throne, Rob claiming independance for the North as well as Balon for the Iron Isles.

Right now there is no "rightful king" at all, just some claimants.

The one who will win these challenge will be rightful king.

Then!

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Executing him without trial though? Executing him dismissing the fact that he was looking for justice?

It's the King's Justice.

King decides what is just and what is not, Brandon's BBQing is perfectly in Aerys's rights... and is also arguably deserved.

threatening to kill someone is not punishable by death , and he was angry because the one he threatened to kill was responsible for his sister's abduction .

Aerys could have imprisoned him .

Threatening the rightful PRINCE is punishable by death, yes... it is high treason.

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threatening to kill someone is not punishable by death , and he was angry because the one he threatened to kill was responsible for his sister's abduction .

Aerys could have imprisoned him .

In Medieval England and evidently Westeros as well, judging by Robb's comment to the Greatjon, drawing your sword in the presence of your lord (without permission or not defending him) is punishable by death. So how in hell would not only drawing it but threatening the Crown Prince with death not one?

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