Free Northman Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I wonder if we will find out anything more about the conflicts between the Starks and Iron Kings from the Isles? In how we do have the tale about how Rodrik Stark won Bear Island from them in a wrestling match. Thus, it is possible that the Ironborn controlled more pockets of the North that the Starks had to drive off.Well Bear Island could be held because it is an island, cut off from the Northern Mainland. And Brandon the Burner had burnt the North's fleets. I doubt the Ironborn could hold any significant areas on the mainland North for any lengthy period of time. They can't match the army size of the North, and therefore any area that is accessible by land would have seen the Northmen evict the Ironborn fairly speedily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 That's Aegon I probably. The "dress" is actually a cape, the two black line are his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 That's Aegon I probably. The "dress" is actually a cape, the two black line are his legs.Then the sword is probably Blackfyre.It probably is Aegon I as they still have the Targ dragons on the floor tiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Stargaryen Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 It's funny when fans agree to something without even discussing it and we end up wrong. :)Although, I have to say I don't think that's Joffrey. Why would the original material contain the drawings of characters based on likeness of the actors for the show?The crown is a simple band (I am guessing in addition to Aegon I's 7 rubies), his attire is in black & red; I can't possibly imagine anyone but a Targaryen in a history book intended for Robert when Joffrey wasn't even an idea let alone a ruler. :)Going for Aegon I. He had cropped hair (Amoka's portrait) and his attitude is serious (look at the way he leans on the sword).I am curious where the 7 rubies info comes from. The SSM description only says "big square-cut rubies," with no mention of the number.http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Targaryen_Kings/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The square-cut rubies are not specified, but the gems in Jaehaerys' I crown (which is also worn by Viserys I and Rhaenyra) are seven, symbolizing the Seven Kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 New blurb from Amazon.com:If the past is prologue, then George R. R. Martin’s masterwork—the most inventive and entertaining fantasy saga of our time—warrants one hell of an introduction. At long last, it has arrived with The World of Ice and Fire.This lavishly illustrated volume is a comprehensive history of the Seven Kingdoms, providing vividly constructed accounts of the epic battles, bitter rivalries, and daring rebellions that lead to the events of A Song of Ice and Fire and HBO’s Game of Thrones. In a collaboration that’s been years in the making, Martin has teamed with Elio M. García, Jr., and Linda Antonsson, the founders of the renowned fan site Westeros.org—perhaps the only people who know this world almost as well as its visionary creator.Collected here is all the accumulated knowledge, scholarly speculation, and inherited folk tales of maesters and septons, maegi and singers. It is a chronicle which stretches from the Dawn Age to the Age of Heroes; from the Coming of the First Men to the arrival of Aegon the Conqueror; from Aegon’s establishment of the Iron Throne to Robert’s Rebellion and the fall of the Mad King, Aerys II Targaryen, which has set into motion the “present-day” struggles of the Starks, Lannisters, Baratheons, and Targaryens. The definitive companion piece to George R. R. Martin’s dazzlingly conceived universe, The World of Ice and Fire is indeed proof that the pen is mightier than a storm of swords.http://www.amazon.co...tag=westeros-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It's my understanding that the Princess and the Queen short story in the Dangerous Women anthology was originally written for the World of Ice and Fire. Does this mean the story will be available in either book, or has it been taken out of the World book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 "The Princess and the Queen" is a condensed, heavily edited version of a much longer text devoted to describing the Dance of the Dragons. That same text has been used as a source for an account of the Dance that covers more events and characters, with a wider focus, than TPatQ.The full and original text from which TPatQ has been drawn may one day be published in "GRRMarillion", as George and his editor are presently calling it, at some future date. But right now, TPatQ is the closest you'll get to reading that text... while TWoIaF will be the closest you'll get to getting all the details from that text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 "The Princess and the Queen" is a condensed, heavily edited version of a much longer text devoted to describing the Dance of the Dragons. That same text has been used as a source for an account of the Dance that covers more events and characters, with a wider focus, than TPatQ.The full and original text from which TPatQ has been drawn may one day be published in "GRRMarillion", as George and his editor are presently calling it, at some future date. But right now, TPatQ is the closest you'll get to reading that text... while TWoIaF will be the closest you'll get to getting all the details from that text.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGtargaryen Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 AHHH! TWOIAF delayed! http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/the-world-of-ice-and-fire-encyclopedia-delayed-to-2014-no-longer-an-encyclopedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMysteriousOne Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 What? I thought it was moved to the spring of 2014? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 AHHH! TWOIAF delayed! http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/the-world-of-ice-and-fire-encyclopedia-delayed-to-2014-no-longer-an-encyclopediaWait, so does this mean the possibility of TWOIAF being released in spring is over now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 :crying: At least there'll be enough material to keep us occupied until TWoW's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Old article, don't pay it too much mind. There's no official publiciation date right now. That said, the publication date will depend on some factors beyond our control, such as whatever the boffins in accounting think will be the ideal sale date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Old article, don't pay it too much mind. There's no official publiciation date right now. That said, the publication date will depend on some factors beyond our control, such as whatever the boffins in accounting think will be the ideal sale date.Did you say it was the artwork you were waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 GRRM has already indicated on his NAB that this GRRMarillion stuff is supposed to be published in a future volume. Ran, any hint as what stuff can we expect in there? Is this primarily more details on all the stuff the Worldbook is going to give a broader overview, or is stuff in there (meaning certain major events, eras, wars, and the like) that is completely being excluded from the Worldbook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Did you say it was the artwork you were waiting for?And if it is the artwork, could you possibly tell us, or give us a hint, at what the artwork is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 GRRM has already indicated on his NAB that this GRRMarillion stuff is supposed to be published in a future volume. Ran, any hint as what stuff can we expect in there? Is this primarily more details on all the stuff the Worldbook is going to give a broader overview, or is stuff in there (meaning certain major events, eras, wars, and the like) that is completely being excluded from the Worldbook?From what GRRM's said, I gather it'll be The Silmarillion to WoIaF's say, Illustrated Tolkien Companion. WoIaF will give us a good and somewhat detailed overview, and the GRRM-arillion will go into much greater detail on individual events. So if there's 70,000 words on the Dance of Dragons, I can imagine say 50,000 words on Aegon's invasion and 30,000 on the Blackfyre Rebellion etc.However, since the GRRM-arillion is coming out after the whole series is concluded, that would theoretically allow GRRM to expand on a lot of elements - the Others, the Children of the Forest, the greenseers, the building of the Wall, the crazy seasons - which would currently be spoilers. Whether he would or not, I don't know (and he's indicated he wants the vague legends to stay legends, but that doesn't mean we won't get more detailed versions of some of those legends, like just how Lann the Clever got the Casterlys out of Casterly Rock?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I think Alys Harroway is one of the wives of Maegor and Tyanna of Pentos is indeed a sorceroress/spellsinger in Visenya's service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 That's a bit overstating, he wasn't described as highly ineffective, it was that the rain dampened his fires, but couldn't quench them entirely. Also, as revealed in the first World of Ice and Fire, Rhaenys's dragon Meraxes, was just as deadly on the ground as in the air during a rain storm, and Balerion is bigger than Meraxes and could have proved to be just as, if not more, effective. I do agree, however, that the blizzards in the North would significantly hinder Dany's dragons.The first World of Ice and Fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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