Jaime *cannot* be the valonqar

[Stannis the Menace]

And Jaime wants to kill Cersei, why?

Well Throughout aFfC, after Tyrion told him that shes fucking Lancel and osmund kettleblack, he contemplates that statement throughout the whole book and starts resenting cersei. and then when cersei needs help at the end, he wants nothing to do with her

[Stannis the Menace]

not to mention that she is a huge C*NT

[Horza]

Well Throughout aFfC, after Tyrion told him that shes fucking Lancel and osmund kettleblack, he contemplates that statement throughout the whole book and starts resenting cersei. and then when cersei needs help at the end, he wants nothing to do with her

There you go.

There are people you want to kill, and there are people you want nothing to do with.

[Cas Stark]

There you go.

There are people you want to kill, and there are people you want nothing to do with.

Well, she did ruin his life, that might be a reason to eventually kill her.

[Horza]

Well, she did ruin his life, that might be a reason to eventually kill her.

How? Did she have a knife to his throat the whole time they were banging?

[Cas Stark]

How? Did she have a knife to his throat the whole time they were banging?

He gave up his birthright--Casterly Rock--and his ability to marry and have children for love of her, he was stuck in the Kingsguard because of her. Upon finding out that you threw your whole life away for a love that isn't returned...well, crimes of passion have been committed for much less than that.

[Horza]

He gave up his birthright--Casterly Rock--and his ability to marry and have children for love of her, he was stuck in the Kingsguard because of her. Upon finding out that you threw your whole life away for a love that isn't returned...well, crimes of passion have been committed for much less than that.

They already had a meeting after that revelation. Old Jaime might have responded that way, but this Jaime isn't quite as... attached.

[Stannis the Menace]

There you go.

There are people you want to kill, and there are people you want nothing to do with.

well the fact that he is purposely not going to save her life, couldnt you infer that he would like to see her dead

[Horza]

well the fact that he is purposely not going to save her life, couldnt you infer that he would like to see her dead

Which is still not the same as wanting to strangle someone alive.

[Stannis the Menace]

Which is still not the same as wanting to strangle someone alive.

i think your taking the prophecy too literally

[Horza]

i think your taking the prophecy too literally

You don't have to be a literalist to doubt Jaime will kill Cersei. You just have to read his chapters.

"...It’s written down in the White Book. All of it, save what to do with Cersei.”

Ser Ilyn drew a finger across his throat.

“No,” said Jaime. “Tommen has lost a brother, and the man he thought of as his father. If I were to kill his mother, he would hate me for it ... and that sweet little wife of his would find a way to turn that hatred to the benefit of Highgarden.”

[Stannis the Menace]

^{No your right characters dont change over the course of the books}

[Cas Stark]

Presumably, if the prophecy holds, Tommen and his sister will already be dead by the time the valonqar kills Cersei.

[Horza]

^{No your right characters dont change over the course of the books}

Yet, the motivation everyone outlines for Jaime to strangle Cersei's ass doesn't appear to be enough.

I guess something else could happen that could make him like, really really mad at her, but I like to think we've been given the information to unpick the valonqar prophecy at the time of issuing.

[Stannis the Menace]

Yet, the motivation everyone outlines for Jaime to strangle Cersei's ass doesn't appear to be enough.

I guess something else could happen that could make him like, really really mad at her, but I like to think we've been given the information to unpick the valonqar prophecy at the time of issuing.

I think it will be just growing resentment and animosity over the course of the next book(s), that MAY lead to him killing her

it could very well be tyrion, but i dont think we can write off jamie just yet

[Kittykatknits]

You don't have to be a literalist to doubt Jaime will kill Cersei. You just have to read his chapters.

I wouldn't read to much in to that. Jaime back in GOT also said he would prefer a good clean death to the life of a cripple and look at him now. In the same conversation, he challenged Tyrion as to which side he was on. The funny thing is that Tyrion, by a much stronger degree, does support CR and Lannister values while Jaime does not. He's been turning away from it almost from the first book. He has chosen the KG white over the Lannister crimson, refused the handship, left his sister, helped his brother to escape, abandoned his duties to look for Sansa, and gave some incredibly generous terms while in the Riverlands. Jaime should have been asking himself this same question.

Beyond this, there many other examples of characters making statements that have a twist of irony to them later. Theon's comment on Hodor knowing his name come to mind. The big takeaway from this is that he worries over the impact to Tommen if he were to kill Cersei. Another way to look at this would be - what would Jaime do if Tommen was no longer a consideration?

[NorthSouthEastWesteros]

There you go.

There are people you want to kill, and there are people you want nothing to do with.

Hmm hadn't thought of that. After all, the opposite of hate isn't love, it's apathy.

He may hate her if she causes the death of their children though. Or mercy kill?

[Chickren]

And Jaime wants to kill Cersei, why?

I'm not 100% sold that Jaime is the valonqar, but I think it's possible she could do something that would make him angry enough to kill her. Probably something involving Tommen or Myrcella.

Personally, I think a sibling term like valonqar wouldn't be what Maggy used if it referred to anyone other than a sibling figure of Cersei's. And I don't think the fact that it's a Valyrian word means it will be someone of Valyrian descent. I see Valyrian term usage in Westeros as comparable to Latin term usage in Western Europe.

My candidates for Valonqar:

--Jaime

--Tyrion

--Stannis, her remaining brother-in-law

[Stannis the Menace]

I wouldn't read to much in to that. Jaime back in GOT also said he would prefer a good clean death to the life of a cripple and look at him now. In the same conversation, he challenged Tyrion as to which side he was on. The funny thing is that Tyrion, by a much stronger degree, does support CR and Lannister values while Jaime does not. He's been turning away from it almost from the first book. He has chosen the KG white over the Lannister crimson, refused the handship, left his sister, helped his brother to escape, abandoned his duties to look for Sansa, and gave some incredibly generous terms while in the Riverlands. Jaime should have been asking himself this same question.

Beyond this, there many other examples of characters making statements that have a twist of irony to them later. Theon's comment on Hodor knowing his name come to mind. The big takeaway from this is that he worries over the impact to Tommen if he were to kill Cersei. Another way to look at this would be - what would Jaime do if Tommen was no longer a consideration?

Nice analysis

[joluoto]

I think it will be Jaime. He now knows what kind of person Cersei is. He blames her for what Joffrey became and for his death. Add that Tommen and Myrcella probably both will die within Cersei's reach.