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A sex scene between those two might give me an heart attack.

I don't know, i would have liked to see the 11 years old Missandei, but probably a child behaving like Alfred the butler is one of those things that work better on page than on screen ...

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I'd say that two factors play in here. First of all the children we get to follow are extraordinary people, just as the other characters are. The story centers around people that have the ability to affect the world around them so the characters will be special. Therefor it's easy to say that these children are far ahead of the maturity curve.

On top of that a medieval society didn't really treat children the way we do today. We can bring our children up more slowly since there's that period between childhood and adulthood called adolescence. There's no such thing in the medieval society, as soon as puberty hits you're an adult and need to have been prepared for that.

We know quite a bit about child development that we didn't know even 15-20 years ago. I will simply say that such thinking is outdated. A child's brain is not just an uneducated adult's, there are vast differences in how they process information and how that shapes their behavior. As a parent and someone who sees a lot of children, it is quite evident George didn't have any.

I should clarify I'm talking for the most part about the younger children (Bran, Rikon, Arya). In these cases, the show-aged children are more believable than the book-aged children. It probably helps that they are being acted by real children, of course ;)

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It's not like a sex scene between them would be pointless. In the Books when Irri pleases Dany it reawakens thought of a sexual nature that she hasn't felt since Drogo died. It also paves the way for her attraction to Daario and her reaction to the Jorah kiss

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It's not like a sex scene between them would be pointless. In the Books when Irri pleases Dany it reawakens thought of a sexual nature that she hasn't felt since Drogo died. It also paves the way for her attraction to Daario and her reaction to the Jorah kiss

Just a little correction: Dany has thoughts of sexual nature before Irri does it, Irri wakes up and notices Dany touching herself.

And I think this is not really necessary for the plot development. They might show it as Jorah's kiss reawakening Dany's sexuality, or Daario for that matter.

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We know quite a bit about child development that we didn't know even 15-20 years ago. I will simply say that such thinking is outdated. A child's brain is not just an uneducated adult's, there are vast differences in how they process information and how that shapes their behavior. As a parent and someone who sees a lot of children, it is quite evident George didn't have any.

I should clarify I'm talking for the most part about the younger children (Bran, Rikon, Arya). In these cases, the show-aged children are more believable than the book-aged children. It probably helps that they are being acted by real children, of course ;)

Of course there's differences and I wasn't saying it was completely realistic, I've just seen many people judge a bit too much on modern children and made the note that environment still affects the behavior in some ways, plus that some individuals really stand out as different from the norm. I don't think having children yourself is that important either. Of course it gives some intimate knowledge but also sets you up to anecdotal evidence in a huge way (which won't even be very accurate in estimating how a suffering child in a bad part of Africa will behave). I've seen quite a lot of people use their anecdotal evidence to state completely contrary opinions from each other (how George writes women is probably the most common topic for that though). For a heroic story I don't think there are any huge problems though.

As for the show, the characters are not only older but played by even older actors so I'd say that they come off as older than they are there as well if we're picky about it.

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I should clarify I'm talking for the most part about the younger children (Bran, Rikon, Arya). In these cases, the show-aged children are more believable than the book-aged children. It probably helps that they are being acted by real children, of course ;)

I'm not sure. So far as I can remember, my outlook on the World was certainly not the same as those of Bran and Arya, at their age. But, I wonder if that is simply down to the extreme circumstances in which they find themselves.

If you were 10, fled a coup, subsisted on rats and pigeons for a fortnight, emerged to see your father executed, got rescued by a man who became a substitute father, saw him get cut down, witnessed friends and comrades being tortured and raped, were repeatedly threatened with rape, killed a guard and escaped, got captured by outlaws, got captured by a ruthless killer, witnessed the remaining members of your family being murdered, saw your mother's corpse dumped in the river, your development as a child would be completely abnormal.

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I don't think having children yourself is that important either.

It's not just having children, it's being around a LOT of children. And yeah, it is important, although not decisive by any means.

However, the more important part of what I'm saying is that we know a lot more about brain development now.and specifically how children's brains differ from those of an adult. There's a lot of really fascinating information that has come out in the last decade or so.

[EDIT] In any case, I see I am repeating myself here, so I am going to just drop it at this point.

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It seems likely there is going to be a lot more Valyrian this season so that might have been another factor in aging up the actor.

I think this can't be emphasized enough. We shouldn't let someone like Maisie spoil us into thinking child actor phenoms fall out of the sky. I can't imagine a tween being able to handle the complexities of memorizing entire scenes in a made-up language.
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I think this can't be emphasized enough. We shouldn't let someone like Maisie spoil us into thinking child actor phenoms fall out of the sky. I can't imagine a tween being able to handle the complexities of memorizing entire scenes in a made-up language.

Her actress talks about the new language in the "Inside the Episode" for episode 1, I believe.

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Of course they will have M and D enact that scene. Now I am of two minds on that score, the DOM in me would love it while the lover of great TV will cringe at the needless soft porn.

Why cant they just add the superfluous nudity into an extra's edition or something?

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No complaints at all... :drool:

I agree. She's quite attractive and she's way older than the kid in the books.

But so are some of the other actors, especially Natalie Dormer. Natalie Dormer is in her mid 30s playing a person half her age.

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Of course they will have M and D enact that scene. Now I am of two minds on that score, the DOM in me would love it while the lover of great TV will cringe at the needless soft porn.

Why cant they just add the superfluous nudity into an extra's edition or something?

I don't think so. Daario is Dany's love/lust interest from here on out . . . that scene seemed out of place in the books and would look out of place as the Qaartheen gowns on the show.

Ros will always fulfill the sensual portion of the show . . .

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I don't mind it at all. I was just like OP an didn't really realized she was so young until ADwD. Everybody is aged up anyway.

Doreah death really sucked, what a horrible death, such an uncalled for and completely disproportional punishment, goes to show how reasonable Dany is. Also, Doreah was hot and I wouldn't have minded a sex scene involving her a Dany, it is not like the series doesn't have way more gratuitousness sex scenes.

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I don't mind it at all. I was just like OP an didn't really realized she was so young until ADwD. Everybody is aged up anyway.

Doreah death really sucked, what a horrible death, such an uncalled for and completely disproportional punishment, goes to show how reasonable Dany is. Also, Doreah was hot and I wouldn't have minded a sex sceneinvolving her a Dany, it is not like the series doesn't have way more gratuitousness sex scenes.

Doreah was hot (I think the actress is a model in the UK) but the actress who plays Missandei is ridiculously sexy. She's like a cartoon character, like Jessica Rabbit or Disney's Pocohontas. I have no qualms about admitting I'm looking forward to the Dany-Missandei bed scenes.

Now, as to your point about whether Dany's punishment of Doreah was "fair," I'm having a hard time understanding your side of the argument. Putting aside the fact that Doreah was beautiful and it would have been nice to have her around, she *betrayed* Dany, who had befriended and protected her through unimaginable hardhsips. Doreah sold her out to a man who was complicit in a scheme to enslave her in the HotU for all eternity! And (if you watch the awful deleted scenes) she killed Irri (who was truly devoted to Dany) in cold blood. This is serious, grade-A, murderous treachery we're talking about. What she did to Dany was a million times worse than being locked alive in a vault. In a vault, you will presumably dehydrate or starve after a few weeks (or, if they're lucky, the thing is airtight and they will suffocate). In the House of the Undying, Dany would have been a chained thrall to the evil warlocks forever.

And don't forget that Dany, despite her so called "gentle heart" is a Targaryen. She does not mess around when it comes to doling out punishment. She's learned from Viserys and Khal Drogo, and she has the blood of the Mad King who was known to devise the most horrific punishments to those who betrayed him.

Doreah had it coming. You don't commit treason against a Targaryen of Old Valyria and expect them to forgive you.

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Doreah was hot (I think the actress is a model in the UK) but the actress who plays Missandei is ridiculously sexy. She's like a cartoon character, like Jessica Rabbit or Disney's Pocohontas. I have no qualms about admitting I'm looking forward to the Dany-Missandei bed scenes.

Now, as to your point about whether Dany's punishment of Doreah was "fair," I'm having a hard time understanding your side of the argument. Putting aside the fact that Doreah was beautiful and it would have been nice to have her around, she *betrayed* Dany, who had befriended and protected her through unimaginable hardhsips. Doreah sold her out to a man who was complicit in a scheme to enslave her in the HotU for all eternity! And (if you watch the awful deleted scenes) she killed Irri (who was truly devoted to Dany) in cold blood. This is serious, grade-A, murderous treachery we're talking about. What she did to Dany was a million times worse than being locked alive in a vault. In a vault, you will presumably dehydrate or starve after a few weeks (or, if they're lucky, the thing is airtight and they will suffocate). In the House of the Undying, Dany would have been a chained thrall to the evil warlocks forever.

And don't forget that Dany, despite her so called "gentle heart" is a Targaryen. She does not mess around when it comes to doling out punishment. She's learned from Viserys and Khal Drogo, and she has the blood of the Mad King who was known to devise the most horrific punishments to those who betrayed him.

Doreah had it coming. You don't commit treason against a Targaryen of Old Valyria and expect them to forgive you.

Love all this except for one thing. They say since Doreah killing Irri was a deleted scene, it may or may not be considered canon. But either way, the treachery still stands.

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I like Irri, Doreah and the other one. Also the bloodriders. They were the last remaining link of Dany's to the Dothraki culture, which MAYBE could be helpful later.

Anyway...

The same could happen to Arya, but in feast and dance it's suggested she's growing into her body so maybe not.

I doubt Arya will get taller than she is, at least a few inches and that's all. Maybe is because she's a dancer and dancers, like gymnasts, aren't tall, at least they won't have a problem there. The one who is growing too much is Sophie, she's in the same height of Kit and Richard when she's using high heels.

Just a little correction: Dany has thoughts of sexual nature before Irri does it, Irri wakes up and notices Dany touching herself.

But IICR, this is caused by Jorah's kiss.

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