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I don't know??? Make it actually feel as if they're being hunted by the White Walkers?

GRRM did a perfect job of creating that sort of tone in the book. In contrast, the writing staff are doing an awful job with Sam's scenes. Surely the solution is obvious? Follow the book.

Read the book if you want the book.

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Maybe they're trying to soften Cat up to 1) Make her death sadder and 2) Show a massive change when she becomes UnCat

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I wasn't sure what to make of Joffrey's comments about homosexuality. Either it is a deviation from the books, because I agree with you that homosexuality is something that is snickered at in the books but it never seems like an abomination or anything of the sorts. There is also the explanation that it is just Joffrey being Joffrey. Clearly everyone knew about Renly and Loras and we never see anyone, besides Joffrey, make a comment about being a degenerate. It's always a joke like Jaimes "Iron Throne of cocks" or Littlefinger's "when will you have your friend?" So for my own personal canon, I think I'll just interpret it as Joffrey being himself.

i think the point was to compare his opinion on Renly with his own sexual degeneracy

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Tom O' Sevens (who's not in the show) sings "Castamere" in Storm of Swords. Of course, he sings it while it's raining, along with about 10 other rain-relating songs in the books, so the choice makes a bit more sense than it did in the show.

Maybe he just really likes the song and doesn't care that it's about his enemies.

It's a great song and Thoros admittedly can't keep his mouth closed for long. If Tom can sing it for the entire brotherhood there is absolutely no issue with Thoros singing it...It's just a song.

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overall good episode, in my opinion they are all good i think this is the first time tho that i rlly enjoyed sansa scenes the scenes i didnt enjoy too much was the one with sam and the one with joffrey yelling at the tailor i thought they were useless

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Read the book if you want the book.

I do. But I watch the show because I enjoy television. Sadly some aspects of the show (such as the Sam scenes) are seriously lacking in quality.

I honestly don't know why posters get so defensive about the show. It's a good show, but it's not great. If they followed the books closer in certain places it could be FAR better.

The issue here being that internal monologue is not possible and pages of specific ambient description is not going to be done justice on camera. I suppose they could have other characters looking petrified and shaken up but that wouldn't really be true to the books either.

And you didn't really offer a solution. When I have a problem with something it's usually because I know how it could be done better given the exact same circumstances.

I'm pretty sure I offered two solutions: follow the book, and show that they're still being hunted by the Others.

The scene was laughable. They just got attacked by an army of zombies and they look no different to the characters travelling through the Riverlands.

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bypassing the bloody mummers or saving them somehow? surely Bolton won't take Jaime's hand

and why would he if he si workking for hte lannisters!

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She wasn't anything to Jon his entire life. She didn't have anything to do with him.

She was kind of an asshole to him though, especially after Bran fell.

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Maybe they're trying to soften Cat up to 1) Make her death sadder and 2) Show a massive change when she becomes UnCat

But any normal person found her death sad in the book anyway? All they've done is strip away the qualities that made Cat such a great character. Now I'll be happy at the Red Wedding because at least she won't have to suffer any more character assassination.

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But any normal person found her death sad in the book anyway? All they've done is strip away the qualities that made Cat such a great character. Now I'll be happy at the Red Wedding because at least she won't have to suffer any more character assassination.

Yeah, and Bran would have been better off dead than having to suffer life as a cripple.

Great minds think alike...

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I do. But I watch the show because I enjoy television. Sadly some aspects of the show (such as the Sam scenes) are seriously lacking in quality.

I honestly don't know why posters get so defensive about the show. It's a good show, but it's not great. If they followed the books closer in certain places it could be FAR better.

I'm pretty sure I offered two solutions: follow the book, and show that they're still being hunted by the Others.

The scene was laughable. They just got attacked by an army of zombies and they look no different to the characters travelling through the Riverlands.

Follow the book is not a solution. Follow what exactly? I agree that a line like "Get the fuck up Sam, if we falter they will catch us and we'll all be dead" would have served. I do think there should be more distinction about the difference between this march and any other.

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Oh, where oh, where is the murdering Arya Stark? She seems so helpless. It grids all my gears

I wish I could like this. While the changes to Cat's character have been far more obvious, the subtle changes to Arya's mentality/attitude have bothered me more.

Oh the whole, I enjoyed this episode. I really like how they handled the introduction of the Reeds, though I wish they kept the oath. It's almost like they're trying to wash out the entire "ice and fire" theme from the show.

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I agree, outstanding Episode, definitely building toward many things this season.

Lord Karstark, "This war was over the moment you married her."

Karstark complaining about the defection of The Frey men, also it seems Robb has lost the cause of some in the Riverlands.

Interesting how they actually didnt mention the Freys in that context. Seems like they are trying to get the viewers to forget about lord frey

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It's a great song and Thoros admittedly can't keep his mouth closed for long. If Tom can sing it for the entire brotherhood there is absolutely no issue with Thoros singing it...It's just a song.

This is true, but there's also a practical plot-serving reason why he's singing it, of course. D&D instructed Ramin to compose a melody for Rains of Castamere that's very catchy, so that when it's played at a certain key moment, we will all recognize the song. So they're really hammering that melody over and over again. Tyrion whistles the tune several times early in Season 2, Bronn sings it, The National sings it, and the motif appears several times in the actual score.

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Yeah, and Bran would have been better off dead than having to suffer life as a cripple.

Great minds think alike...

Yawn.

When Cat's killed on the show, I don't have to put up with watching ridiculous scenes where her character is completely destroyed.

I never said anything about Bran's disability and I'm not sure why it's relevant? Being "crippled" did not leave his characterisation destroyed.

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Pretty near a shit episode.

The only good scenes were mainly with Thoros and the scenes with the QOT and Theon.

The Jaime vs Brienne duel was fucking terribly executed. Terrible. Made Jaime look like an absolute chump.

And I can't help myself but to groan whenever Shae is on screen. Shae and her storyline is literally unbearable. Like Shae has any power to do anything but talks a huge game. Give me a break DnD. I will never be more excited for a character to die than when Shae bites the dust.

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And I can't help myself but to groan whenever Shae is on screen. Shae and her storyline is literally unbearable.

That woman playing Shae - where did they find her? She's awful, painful to watch. I felt awful for Dinklage. As brilliant as he is in the role of Tyrion, there was no saving that scene. Jealous!Shae is just about the worst version of her we've seen yet.

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Read the book if you want the book.

Maybe DnD should re read the book if they want better television.

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Regarding The Rains of Castamere, David and Dan mentioned in the commentaries that they wanted to create a song which was very easily recognizable for the Red Wedding. I wouldn't put it past them to use this as an opportunity to bring the song back to the attention of the audience so they will recognize it later.

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I liked this episode. I found it interesting that they combined Tom o' Sevens and Thoros, and they resolved the problem of Arya not being recognized without Harwin by having the Hound appear early.

Only thing I didn't like is that it appears they are actually going to use that ridiculous storyline of Ramsay pretending to be on Theon's side and pretending to free him, only to bring him back to torture him later. Are GoT's writers that lazy that they have to take ridiculous speculation from this forum to use for story? Next thing we know, they'll actually use the silly Talisa replacing Jeyne Poole idea.

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