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[BOOK SPOILERS] Nitpick without repercussion?

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I know, but I'm saying that I didn't even understand that Doreah betrayed Dany. Maybe that makes me an idiot, but I can't understand a character's motivation for something that I'm not even getting.

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lol, I'm rewatching this with a friend right now (she is still screaming about Jaime's hand), and I didn't even notice the Ty-RELL vs. TY-rell thing between Cersei and Tywin until reading this thread....not only is it inconsistent, but it's literally in back to back sentences! Kind of strange that no one caught that.

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I understand your point, but I think if you look at Dany's reaction and her actions, its safe to say she truly believed Doreah had betrayed her for her own benefit (Promise of riches, power, whatever). I hope I don't sound condescending or anything through this conversation, I just think that if you put yourself in the character's position it would seem actually quite reasonable. I feel like sometimes in response to people's posts I come off as brash but when I watched the scene I had a totally understanding reaction to Doreah being condemned to the cell. That being said, I think I've made my point, so if you disagree then I guess we agree to disagree :)

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I think we just saw the scene a lot differently, or maybe I just followed the story poorly. I admittedly tried to pay the least attention to her scenes last season because of how annoyed I was with them (hers is one of my favorites this season). It's true - Dany definitely did seem very confident in knowing that Doreah royally screwed her over. That cut scene would have prevented a lot of confusion for me, however :)

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I think we just saw the scene a lot differently, or maybe I just followed the story poorly. I admittedly tried to pay the least attention to her scenes last season because of how annoyed I was with them (hers is one of my favorites this season). It's true - Dany definitely did seem very confident in knowing that Doreah royally screwed her over. That cut scene would have prevented a lot of confusion for me, however :)

Too bad that scene was borderline softcore porno bad lol. I'm actually mad that they even thought of filming it. So there's my nitpick :P

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lol, I'm rewatching this with a friend right now (she is still screaming about Jaime's hand), and I didn't even notice the Ty-RELL vs. TY-rell thing between Cersei and Tywin until reading this thread....not only is it inconsistent, but it's literally in back to back sentences! Kind of strange that no one caught that.

People suggested that Tywin was correcting her, which makes much more sense on re-watch.

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Too bad that scene was borderline softcore porno bad lol. I'm actually mad that they even thought of filming it. So there's my nitpick :P

wow it was??? hah, i didn't actually watch it. I only read about it. damn. porn? I'm off to go look at this now. :P

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People suggested that Tywin was correcting her, which makes much more sense on re-watch.

Oooh good point. Another rewatch in order now. I wonder if Tywin is always consistent in pronouncing it Ty-RELL and vice versa?

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wow it was??? hah, i didn't actually watch it. I only read about it. damn. porn? I'm off to go look at this now. :P

In case you're yet to find it:

I might think softcore porno because the video preview thumbnail looks like they're enjoying some fetish shit but overall it's the kind of acting you'd expect from a porno, i.e not good lol.

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In case you're yet to find it:

I might think softcore porno because the video preview thumbnail looks like they're enjoying some fetish shit but overall it's the kind of acting you'd expect from a porno, i.e not good lol.

I think a good "screw you" and a stab in the back could have gotten the point across just as well. lol. Weird scene.

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people keep saying Jaime wasnt misogynistic. This is the guy who called Brienne wench for several hundred pages.

^Yeah, Jaime might seem progressive in Westeros terms, but he's still one hell of a chauvinistic pig. You guys might need to re-read his first few chapters with Brienne.

He was trying to provoke her. I think it went something like this:

Brienne: Don't call me wench, Kingslayer.

Jaime: My name is Jaime, not Kingslayer.

Brienne: Do you deny that you slew a king?

Jaime: No, do you deny your sex?

He never says that being a wench is a bad thing. He's like, yeah you're a woman, why do you deny it? He is, in fact, giving her a clear message that there's nothing wrong with being a woman.

I still maintain that Jaime is one of the least sexist characters in the series. He treats women exactly the same way he treats men. He executes rapists (see Pia) and when his squire is attracted to Pia, he advises her to be gentle and considerate to her, for her sake. He has always been faithful to Cersei. And I don't remember reading a single sexist thing in a Jaime POV chapter.

Cersei laments in one of her chapters that she and Jaime used to dress up in each others clothes and she couldn't understand why they were treated so differently. I think Jaime also noticed that and growing up with Cersei is what has made him respect women. Now, Cersei is a "other girls are stupid, but I'm a honorary man" kind of character, but that's another issue...

sorry, I'm not even sure if this belongs in this thread, but Jaime is my favourite character and you know how it is with defending your favourites :blush:

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It doesn't matter what viewers think? Isn't that the point? All I saw was a whore sleeping with someone (who may have been threatened, tortured, gave her no choice, etc) and Dany just assuming she was betrayed and condemned her to death, which seems callously cold even for Dany. It's just a small thing and I understood it once I saw the cut footage, but at the time it was just weird to me.

Especially as Dany, you know...told Doreah to sleep with people to get information.

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He was trying to provoke her. I think it went something like this:

Brienne: Don't call me wench, Kingslayer.

Jaime: My name is Jaime, not Kingslayer.

Brienne: Do you deny that you slew a king?

Jaime: No, do you deny your sex?

He never says that being a wench is a bad thing. He's like, yeah you're a woman, why do you deny it? He is, in fact, giving her a clear message that there's nothing wrong with being a woman.

I still maintain that Jaime is one of the least sexist characters in the series. He treats women exactly the same way he treats men. He executes rapists (see Pia) and when his squire is attracted to Pia, he advises her to be gentle and considerate to her, for her sake. He has always been faithful to Cersei. And I don't remember reading a single sexist thing in a Jaime POV chapter.

Cersei laments in one of her chapters that she and Jaime used to dress up in each others clothes and she couldn't understand why they were treated so differently. I think Jaime also noticed that and growing up with Cersei is what has made him respect women. Now, Cersei is a "other girls are stupid, but I'm a honorary man" kind of character, but that's another issue...

sorry, I'm not even sure if this belongs in this thread, but Jaime is my favourite character and you know how it is with defending your favourites :blush:

I hear you. While I perhaps could make myself believe Jaime would react in that way after being insulted as "womanish", because he would recognize it as a (Westerosian) contemptuous insult. But the problem is that it's Brienne who's speaking. I know D&D have altered Brienne's character into a more grim direction (and so far it hasn't been a good chance, IMO), but this just doesn't work even there. I don't think Brienne would make herself use such a misogynistic insult especially as 'coward' or 'craven' would have driven the point home as successfully.

So, in order to make that scene work for me, I should believe Brienne uses an "insult" she doesn't believe in and would be reluctant to use in the first place, and a very sick Jaime feels he should react in a proper macho way and ends up doing just that even though he doesn't really feel insulted. Well, sorry, too complicated and ridiculous. The exchange might be seen as a black comedy, but somehow I feel D&D aren't going to expand it to make it work.

I also thought that in the books J&B's wench/Kingslayer namecalling became gradually somewhat playful - I don't see that kind of progress happening here.

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I wonder how many of the viewers who haven't read the books think that Ros will end up on the Iron Throne, based on the screen time she's gotten.

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I wonder how many of the viewers who haven't read the books think that Ros will end up on the Iron Throne, based on the screen time she's gotten.

They're predicting she'll end up on the small council. :P

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I wonder how many of the viewers who haven't read the books think that Ros will end up on the Iron Throne, based on the screen time she's gotten.
They're predicting she'll end up on the small council. :P

:lol: Even I think that sometimes, and I have read the books, and know she not supposed to exist.

http://farewellwinte...-tehehe-game-of

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Jaime is such a misogynist before he meets Brienne that the only woman he could ever love wanted so desperately to be born a man.

Bwahhahahahaha!

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