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[BOOK SPOILERS] Nitpick without repercussion?

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I liked the scene but it came out of a left field a little.

"Ah Tyrion! I was just about to tell you about when I was cut!"

It wasn't the story in and of itself that felt forced but I felt like it didn't come up organically.

I totally agree about that and it was the only thing that bothered me during the watching.

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General Mega-Pick:

The show seems to waste to much time reinforcing and repeating details, themes, trends over and over:

-Maegory is playing Joffrey like a fiddle. That was amde crystal clear in the crossbow scene.

-Varys has many spies. Got it. Don't need to see how he collects every morsal of information.

Also, wouldn't Littlefinger's spies notice Ros haveing luncheons with Varys?

Varys getting his old sorceor pal FedEx'd to Kings Landing?

Did Ramsey stage that whole escape just so Theon could have a tearful confession?

Suprised they bothered with the "Sansa marrying a Tyrell" subplot since it ends up pretty stillborn in the book.

Where the hell are they going with all this Poderick Payne business???

The Sept set was pretty epic.

Daenerys's scene was worth the wait.

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Tiny nitpick:

In the same scene you have Tywin pronouncing Tyrell as "tyrr-ELL" and Cersei pronouncing it "TY-rell". Which is it!

When given the option of Tywin or Cersei, Tywin is right.

I always hated the Ty-rell pronunciation.

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Where the hell are they going with all this Poderick Payne business???

Where they didn't go with Tormund, probably.

Personally I think a man prattling about his lance as far less abrasive.

2. Tyrion trusting Varys too much.

3. Varys having the sorcerer. seriously WTF?!

That scene was incredibly forced. Almost as if Varys had planned for Tyrion to come,

for him to spill his terribly sad childhood,

and then wuh-lah, there is the despicable sorcerer.

What a conspicuous set of circumstances,

that lead to showing Tyrion he can trust Varys,

(even though Varys will do nothing to avail him,)

as Varys presumably trusts him?

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Suprised they bothered with the "Sansa marrying a Tyrell" subplot since it ends up pretty stillborn in the book.

Sansa is kind of the audience's eyes in the capital. They are building her (and the audience's) hopes up with this Loras marriage business only so they can shatter them better when her wedding to Tyrion is announced.

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Varys getting his old sorceor pal FedEx'd to Kings Landing?

:rofl: I agree about that, seems pretty silly. I really wonder where they are going with it because it looks nonsensical at this point.

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I guess they included the sorceror to provide Varys with a reason for providing the story of his cutting. They should have just included it last season.

I know that we are not supposed to comment on other people nit picks, but people complaining at brienne callin jamie a women seems a little thick skulled. Brienne was trying to get Jamie to stop acting like a huge bitch, she likely just said what she thought would make him start eating n what not.

It was misogynistic and out of character.

As for Dracarys, I just would have appreciated if they had taken more effort into actually making the audience believe that Dany was giving away a dragon. As it was, I watched the episode with 3 non readers and they all figured out eary on Dany's entire plan

In all fairness, it would have been obvious in the books too if readers waited a week between Dany deciding to trade Drogon and making the trade.

In the books I didn't really think she'd make the trade... But I didn't want to be optimistic incase the trade was actually made. My sister, a non-reader, seemed to have the same impression I did, so I think D&D actually pulled this one off pretty well.

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I didn't mind Brienne's "woman" jab at Jamie, amd personally, I didn't think it was out of character. I'd echo what Delmas said, that she was using Jamie's own mysogyny to get under his skin. Plus Brienne's got complex gender issues, no one can deny that.

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I know that we are not supposed to comment on other people nit picks, but people complaining at brienne callin jamie a women seems a little thick skulled. Brienne was trying to get Jamie to stop acting like a huge bitch, she likely just said what she thought would make him start eating n what not.

But why would hearing that he sounds like a woman make Jaime eat? I've always thought that out of all the men in Westeros Jaime is one of the most, if not the most feminist. He grew up with Cersei, he knowns how hard women have it and what they are capable of. And during the course of five books he doesn't say, think or do anything misogynistic. The thing that got Jaime to eat in the books was Brienne telling him that he is a coward. Here she compares him to a woman, implying that all women are cowards who "whine and give up when confronted with the real world", which is sexist. And Jaime knows this isn't true, so why would that make him eat anyway?

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About LF's plans, we're still ep4. I think he's going to be forced to leave by himself (perhaps even next episode after seeing that preview and Sansa watching the ship leaving) and then Dontos will come back into play. No one will know what's up

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I actually don't have a whole lot of nitpicks because the show is just now so radically different from the book with a huge amount of made up scenes, but I can't help but still hate how LF is portrayed as a complete idiot.

Yea I agree. show!Littlefinger is a bumbling idiot.

In season 1, he spent 90% of his time training whores.

He spent season 2 being rude to noble women ( eg. Cersei 'power is power', Catelyn, Margery )

And in season 3 everyone knows what he is up to, like ALL the time.

He's not subtle or intriguing in the slightest. Just stupid.

Oh and he apparently keeps the royal ledgers in the brothel and does all his work there. Probably eats and sleeps there as well. Can you imagine what this would look like to outsiders? What if a braavosi banker turned up and asked to inspect the royal ledgers right away, what would he say. Uhh, hmm.. they're being kept in a well guarded location, heh heh..

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I did get bored with Olenna in the middle of her third sentence :ninja:

Always chamberpots and roses :dunno:

Imagine you'd work for her and had to listen to that every day. Again and again. The scene inadvertedly got to be not about her sharp tongue and mind, but about a puffish. :P

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Tiny nitpick:

In the same scene you have Tywin pronouncing Tyrell as "tyrr-ELL" and Cersei pronouncing it "TY-rell". Which is it!

It was funny because I've noticed it when I watched the first time and wondered why they did it I mean they probably did that scene loads of times.

-Oh, and Theon calling Ned his real father keeps bugging me for some reason

-My biggest gripe of the episode is that we didn't get Mormont's last words to Samwell.

It was really strange to see Theon considering Ned his real father, touching but very strange. Had to watch again the recording episode to be sure that he really did say it, I mean it's touching but don't feel right, specially at this point because it was kind of out of place to see him regretful so soon.

As you I missed the final scene with Old Bear and Sam, not that it was important for the show, but as a reader fan I missed it.

- Everyone know's Littlefinger's plans.

- Everyone keeps referring to Lord Baelish as Littlefinger.

I second that, the character is becoming too weak in the show :/

I didn't mind Brienne's "woman" jab at Jamie, amd personally, I didn't think it was out of character. I'd echo what Delmas said, that she was using Jamie's own mysogyny to get under his skin. Plus Brienne's got complex gender issues, no one can deny that.

It didn't bother me as well, I've already posted in another discussion that for me it was a way for her to get back o him in the woman role comments.

Finally I think that the audience already got the point that Marg is working Joffrey very well, so we can have a break from the scenes between those two.

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I guess they included the sorceror to provide Varys with a reason for providing the story of his cutting. They should have just included it last season.

It was misogynistic and out of character.

In all fairness, it would have been obvious in the books too if readers waited a week between Dany deciding to trade Drogon and making the trade.

In the books I didn't really think she'd make the trade... But I didn't want to be optimistic incase the trade was actually made. My sister, a non-reader, seemed to have the same impression I did, so I think D&D actually pulled this one off pretty well.

I didn't mean it in terms of time, but maybe some scene with just Dany and Drogo the day before that indicated that Dany was second guessing herself wondering if she was doing the right thing, making it seem that she was thinking about giving Drogon or something like that. Anyway I realize is a minor nitpick because the scene was really good.

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No one will probably agree with me, but I can't stand Lena Headey's portrayal of Cersei at all. It was a little bit better this episode, probably because I think the dialogue between her and Tywin in their made-up scene was pretty spot-on, but I just don't feel like the actress understands her at all. I also don't think she's that great of an actress (yeah, she is better than Clarke, Harington, Turner, Madden, but she's overrated imo). I know I'm in the huge minority since I don't even know anyone who feels this way, but for whatever reason her portrayal irks me.

They missed a huge opportunity by not giving Mormont his last words. The writers grab onto every chance they can to have cheesy writing, so why they would decide not to let a man give his touching last words before he dies is beyond weird. It was a great opportunity because how else now are viewers going to be reminded that Jeor is Jorah's father? I know plenty of people who forgot/don't know that connection, and they could have placed it perfectly right here. If timed right, they could just cut to Jorah's face at the end of the scene to emphasize it. From Jeor to Jorah. What a missed opportunity. Shame.

I agree with everyone about Varys' story coming out of nowhere. Actually, it stuck out like a sore thumb. It was like, "yo sup tyrion let me tell you this story how I was cut." ?!?!?!?! Awkward writing, but Conleth Hill handled it well as usual.

I like Diana Rigg and looooveee QoT, but I don't know, I'm starting to find her irritating. She talks so much about farting and chamberpots and she's nothing like I really pictured personality-wise. I feel they dumbed her down because of the Dowager Countess.

Four whores thinking a virgin is so great that they get together and decide not to pay him is ludicrous...it's ludicrous with one whore - but four??? Come on...Littlefinger was "too distracted" to care about the whores not getting paid, yet scared the shit out of Ros last season for being a buzzkill for the customers. Sure, okay...what a trope....

It's annoying how much D&D love Ros, like she's the Daryl Dixon of ASOIAF or something. Her whole "moving up in the world" scene with Shae was idiotic and now she can read, is an executive assistant to a pimp and escorts him around town...wtf? How did this even happen???

Bran scenes are just pointless and I'm sick of seeing dead or soon to be dead Starks in his dreams.

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I didn't like Theon's remorseful confession to Ramsay, it was too soon, and was out of the blue.

In the books I was very moved by his remorse after seeing him be broken and then try to redeem himself; on screen it felt out of place and didn't have the same emotional impact as it did in the books.

Also, Littlefinger is not being very subtle. Last season when they introduced Ser Dontos, I thought he was going to contact Sansa, but then LF just approached her directly, which is idiotic and out of character, and also renders the whole Dontos introduction in season 2 pointless.

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Four whores thinking a virgin is so great that they get together and decide not to pay him is ludicrous...it's ludicrous with one whore - but four??? Come on...Littlefinger was "too distracted" to care about the whores not getting paid, yet scared the shit out of Ros last season for being a buzzkill for the customers. Sure, okay...what a trope....

It's annoying how much D&D love Ros, like she's the Daryl Dixon of ASOIAF or something. Her whole "moving up in the world" scene with Shae was idiotic and now she can read, is an executive assistant to a pimp and escorts him around town...wtf? How did this even happen???

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Also, Littlefinger is not being very subtle.

That's quite an understatement. :cool4:

He's never been subtle on the show, but ever since the second season, he's so incompetent and "in your face" all the time, it's a wonder how any of his plans works at all.

Thankfully he wasn't in the episode so I didn't have to endure Gillen's overacting...

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+1 to everything Schala said about Ros. and the whole "podrick is so awesome in bed that whores won't take his money" story.

Everytime I see D&D say "we really wanted to do X scene but we didn't have enough time/budget/other excuse" I think- then why introduce an extra whore character who seems to get more screentime each episode than all of the characters we actually give a shit about?

the primary audience for this show is the "boobies, knights, swords, cool!" viewer base, so I guess that's where they're going with it, its just a bummer.

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