JJB Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I must admit. I was surprised to see the scene done like in the book. Very well done. And the actors were perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Jaime and Brienne have been perfect all season, and never more perfect that in this episode. I love those two and I demand they get their own spin-off series. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau has always been good, but he's been an absolute revelation this season. They gave the man room to perform and he certainly made use of it to flex his acting muscles beautifully. He's been so impressive. So impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoramunsKazoo Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Team Jaime.Having read the books, I slowly moved to his side over the course of his confession and the latter scene (hopefully in next season):when he reflects on his entry into the "White Book" and how his page is yet finishedUnsullied friends that are watching the show with me have always been like, "Whaaaat?! You like that creep?" Last night, I finally converted some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrad Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Haha. The standards have dipped pretty low when Jaime is now the fair-haired boy of Westeros. He performed virtuoso incest with his sister to cuckold his (second) King and install his illegitimate children on the throne, pushed Bran to his hoped-for death to cover that up, in effect started the war in Westeros, murdered his own cousin to escape, and now because he is feeling sorry for himself having gotten a fraction of the just desserts, the audience joins with him in warm and fuzzy feelings. Its like when Mussolini was about to be put on the meat hooks, he said "Scusi" and his soul went to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyM Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 One of the things that really pulled me into the bath scene was trying to get in the head of Brienne. I didn't see her as shy so much as modest and then pissed. When Jamie first comes in, she flares a bit of confusion at Jaime showing up, but she continues scrubbing. I'm sure its also a distraction from Jaime removing his close but also a bit of Lalalalala I'm ignoring you. Then when Jaime walks past one tub to actually get to hers, she freaks. The logic in the fact that Jaime could pass out and that was why he chose to bathe with her. It kinda of screams at me that there are two choices either have the boy stay in case he passes out or have Brienne help him. I believe he sent the boy away because Brienne was bathing and he 'the knight' in him wouldn't dream of some boy gawk at Brienne. Meanwhile Brienne is hiding herself in the corner. I believe Jaime then purposely needles her so she would just relex but ends up pissing her off so much that she rises out of the tub prepared to throttle him. I loved the wordlessness of her warning, just the sheer shaking rage her body portrays. Part of me has got to know if it was her love for Renly that set her off or that the fact that she's failed miserably at what she's been tasked to do -twice-. First Renly and now Jaime, I'm wondering how her confidence in being a knight is waning at the moment. Hence her assumtions that he's mocking her when he's apologizing. All and all I don't think that Briene is shy so much as modest, and I don't really see her as akward as much as uncertian of these turn of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 They apparently skipped the part in the book about Jaime's boner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Haha. The standards have dipped pretty low when Jaime is now the fair-haired boy of Westeros. He performed virtuoso incest with his sister to cuckold his (second) King and install his illegitimate children on the throne, pushed Bran to his hoped-for death to cover that up, in effect started the war in Westeros, murdered his own cousin to escape, and now because he is feeling sorry for himself having gotten a fraction of the just desserts, the audience joins with him in warm and fuzzy feelings. Its like when Mussolini was about to be put on the meat hooks, he said "Scusi" and his soul went to heaven.DId you read the books? If not, I would suggest keeping your mind open. Besides, I don't think everyone is talking about Jaime as a redeemed hero (quite yet). Like pretty much every character in ASOIAF, he has both good and evil in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsLibby Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Don't get dragged into that Jaime vs. the world debate. It is not worth your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peptalk Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 One of the things that really pulled me into the bath scene was trying to get in the head of Brienne. I didn't see her as shy so much as modest and then pissed. When Jamie first comes in, she flares a bit of confusion at Jaime showing up, but she continues scrubbing. I'm sure its also a distraction from Jaime removing his close but also a bit of Lalalalala I'm ignoring you. Then when Jaime walks past one tub to actually get to hers, she freaks.The logic in the fact that Jaime could pass out and that was why he chose to bathe with her. It kinda of screams at me that there are two choices either have the boy stay in case he passes out or have Brienne help him. I believe he sent the boy away because Brienne was bathing and he 'the knight' in him wouldn't dream of some boy gawk at Brienne.Meanwhile Brienne is hiding herself in the corner. I believe Jaime then purposely needles her so she would just relex but ends up pissing her off so much that she rises out of the tub prepared to throttle him. I loved the wordlessness of her warning, just the sheer shaking rage her body portrays. Part of me has got to know if it was her love for Renly that set her off or that the fact that she's failed miserably at what she's been tasked to do -twice-. First Renly and now Jaime, I'm wondering how her confidence in being a knight is waning at the moment. Hence her assumtions that he's mocking her when he's apologizing.All and all I don't think that Briene is shy so much as modest, and I don't really see her as akward as much as uncertian of these turn of events.Did you read the books? If not they are doing a very good job with the non-reader viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peptalk Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Don't get dragged into that Jaime vs. the world debate. It is not worth your time.I can't help it, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 They apparently skipped the part in the book about Jaime's boner.Oh, I think the look on NCW's face when she stood up, and the way he swallowed when he checked her out was about as close to a boner as the show can get without hiring a porn actor. His face said much and more. Haha. The standards have dipped pretty low when Jaime is now the fair-haired boy of Westeros. He performed virtuoso incest with his sister to cuckold his (second) King and install his illegitimate children on the throne, pushed Bran to his hoped-for death to cover that up, in effect started the war in Westeros, murdered his own cousin to escape, and now because he is feeling sorry for himself having gotten a fraction of the just desserts, the audience joins with him in warm and fuzzy feelings. Its like when Mussolini was about to be put on the meat hooks, he said "Scusi" and his soul went to heaven.Jaime is awesome! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybuilderton Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Oh, I think the look on NCW's face when she stood up, and the way he swallowed when he checked her out was about as close to a boner as the show can get without hiring a porn actor. His face said much and more.Stole the words right out of my mouth. It was subtle because Jaime has literally never desired any woman but his sister. Obviously he's not going to be like WHOA THERE BIG GUY SETTLE DOWN lol.Haha. The standards have dipped pretty low when Jaime is now the fair-haired boy of Westeros. He performed virtuoso incest with his sister to cuckold his (second) King and install his illegitimate children on the throne, pushed Bran to his hoped-for death to cover that up, in effect started the war in Westeros, murdered his own cousin to escape, and now because he is feeling sorry for himself having gotten a fraction of the just desserts, the audience joins with him in warm and fuzzy feelings. Its like when Mussolini was about to be put on the meat hooks, he said "Scusi" and his soul went to heaven.Lol I'm going to assume you did not read the books. I'll be kind if you haven't and put this in spoiler censored-ness, but Jaime didn't start the war. Littlefinger did. He pit the Lannisters and Starks against each other by suggesting that Tyrion sent the assassin and getting Catelyn's sister to lie about how Jon Arryn died (she poisoned him). Jaime and Cersei didn't send the assassin after Bran, Joffrey did. Really, Jaime's part in the actual war has been pretty small. The incest and the Bran pushing were his disgusting acts. [Highlight to see]. And it's not about him feeling sorry for himself, its his later decisions to make things better and not be such an asshole and ditching his sister (minus fucking over Joffrey's corpse). It's about understanding where he's coming from and why he comes off as such a nihilist prick. Remember his conversation with Catelyn about how people make all kinds of vows? Yeah this is basically the source of that cynical outlook. Conflicting oaths to his family and to his king and what he had to do and how people hate him for it. Word for word: "So many vows. They make you swear and swear: defend the king, obey the king, obey your father, protect the innocent, defend the weak. But what if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent? It's too much." That was not an arbitrary choice of words.TL;DR, Jaime has more redemptive stuff coming up. Even so, as of now, it's not "warm and fuzzy feelings," it's that you start realizing that maybe there's more to this person we had previously condemned. A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giant snake Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Unsullied friends that are watching the show with me have always been like, "Whaaaat?! You like that creep?" Last night, I finally converted some.haha High five. I told people that he was my favorite character and that I didn't have a favorite house/region back when season one came out. I didn't say why, but they were all like "You're crazy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlan Marius Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 That bath scene was Emmy-quality. I will be SHOCKED if NCW goes empty-handed after this season's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseHarrison Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 One of my favorite scenes in the show. Just perfectly done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Oh, I think the look on NCW's face when she stood up, and the way he swallowed when he checked her out was about as close to a boner as the show can get without hiring a porn actor. His face said much and more.I'll have to rewatch the scene. Didn't pick up on that the first time around. I think I was distracted by Gwen Christie's backside... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoramunsKazoo Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 TL;DR, Jaime has more redemptive stuff coming up. Even so, as of now, it's not "warm and fuzzy feelings," it's that you start realizing that maybe there's more to this person we had previously condemned. A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyM Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Did you read the books? If not they are doing a very good job with the non-reader viewers.No I haven't read the books so much as wiki'd myself to death. Someone commented on a podcast that by seeing Jaime through Brienne's eyes, someone whose constantly living with trash talkers and people that hate her just for being who she is, opens Jaime's character up to sympathy. I have to agree. When Briene feels bad or guilty or even I had to say pity but compassion, I feel it too, and the person recieving all of that is Jaime. Does Jaime deserve Brienne championing him? Wouldn't be the point of who Brienne is, because I feel she would want to defend anyone no matter who they are of being harrassed, tortured and maimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 The bath scene is my favorite thing this show has done so far. Pretty much nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeananKite Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Why is Brienne in this scene not shown from the front side! Because she is not so perfect as all the other women we have seen naked?Until now the show never hestiated to show dirt and filth and not so pretty persons, why now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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