[BOOK SPOILERS] Lady Talysa

[DarkHaunter62]

I read in another thread that she could take the place of Dacey Mormont. Have her dance with Robb, ask a Frey to dance, who in turn responds with anger, Cat notices, walks over and grabs his arm, feels the chainmail, tells Talisa to run, and as she gets to the door a bunch of armored Freys and Boltons bust in and bury an axe in her pregnant belly. it just makes too much sense. I'd be shocked if this isn't the way they go with it.

That's a plausible theory!

[skorpion]

I think it's possible D and D will merge her with Jeyne Poole.

Roose figures he can use her now as access to Winterfell (ala Arya), so he takes her hostage during the RW, brings her back to the Dreadfort, Ramsay tortures her, she befriends Theon while they're planning for the marriage pact, etc. This way too we can further explore her character and let Oona Chaplin further show off her acting chops (she's very promising as an actress but hasn't been utilized, like, at all).

This makes the most sense to me since Jeyne Poole hasn't been even been introduced yet and we'll need to meet her soon. My only problem with that would be that since he's Robb's wife, many people would know what she looks like.

[Lady Sansa Stark]

This makes the most sense to me since Jeyne Poole hasn't been even been introduced yet and we'll need to meet her soon. My only problem with that would be that since he's Robb's wife, many people would know what she looks like.

Jeyne Poole has been introduced, in Season 1. Long time ago, I know, but she has been introduced. ^^

I don't know what to think of Talisa and the Red Wedding. I like the spy-theory, but I also like the ''hips-don't-lie-theory''. And the fact that she is at the Red Wedding while she clearly isn't in the books shows to me that she could be killed there. I also like the Dacey Mormont-replacement. I like the Mormonts.

['96Buck]

No one from the south will be deciding who rules in the North especially now that winter has come. Bolton's days are numbered seeing as though the North is currently planning on betraying him. I don't think it's a coincidence that the last place the will was seen was heading towards Greywater watch the home of Howland Reed who also happens to be the only confirmed man alive who knows the truth about what really happened at the TOJ, sooner or later the will is going to reach Jon Snow, his decision will be does he follow the will or does he follow R+L=J or somehow both?

With the war with the Others coming and the Others will without a doubt hit the North the hardest out of any kingdom in Westeros, the North will want a Stark leading them and the fact of the matter is Jon is the best man for the job, which is why the North will use Robb's will as an iron clad justification for naming Jon their leader. I could go into much greater detail about this, but I don't believe this is the thread for that discussion there are numerous threads on here that would explain in fuller detail why there's no way in hell the will is just going to simply be forgotten as if it was just some shallow minor plot device to be used for a single chapter. :rolleyes:

A piece of paper only has effect when there are arms behind it. As Ned learned. Being appointed as a leader only has effect when the led are willing, as the Mad King, the Old Bear, and Robb learned. If we entertain the notion that rule of the North will be left to the northmen to sort out, it won't be maesters examining documents, it will be axes and swords. Words, even on paper, will be wind. Those prone to be loyal to house Stark regardless, like Manderly or the Flints, are unlikely to require a piece of paper to follow Jon if that is otherwise in play. Those disloyal to Stark, like Bolton, will similarly not care what it says, especially while pushing fake Arya. Karstarks would rather the inheritance work it's way back up the chain and then down to them. Do the Umbers or Mormonts strike you as big readers?

For Robb's legitimzation of Jon Snow to have effect, he has to have been a king. The North will have to rise AGAIN against the Iron Throne for that to be the case...and they could establish whoever they want as King in the North just by saying so, the way they did for Robb. Including Jon, independent of the will.

That they will all set aside the inherent distrust of bastards, not to mention a Night's Watch oathbreaker, to follow Jon to rebel against the Iron Throne again, during Winter, because Robb may have written it down seems thin to me.

[So1ar]

I hope Talysa and Blackfish leave before the massacre they have no place at the RW.

Talisa is at the wedding. We know that much from the leaked image. She's going to die. There's no way she gets out.

[Asshai by the Shadow]

Talisa is at the wedding. We know that much from the leaked image. She's going to die. There's no way she gets out.

I'd be okay with that! I just hope she goes away she's annoying.

[So1ar]

I'd be okay with that! I just hope she goes away she's annoying.

Yeah man I agree. I'm ready for her to go. She's such a boring character.

[superdeluxe]

Talisa is at the wedding. We know that much from the leaked image. She's going to die. There's no way she gets out.

What if she gets sick at the wedding and BF takes her away before all the festivities?

[Stark King in the North]

What if she gets sick at the wedding and BF takes her away before all the festivities?

My first thoughts was she would take sick and the blackfish would escort her back to riverun when i seen the show is going differently to the books :(,

Its also possible she is going to turn out to be jeyne westerling as a spy, But in the end she then tries to save robb

[Lord Elrosir]

Yeah, because when you get sick, the first thing you do is ride across the Riverlands to Riverrun. You'd never just go back to your chambers..

Talisa is dead.

[Jon Icefyre]

Yeah, because when you get sick, the first thing you do is ride across the Riverlands to Riverrun. You'd never just go back to your chambers..

Talisa is dead

Haha either that or she's a spy I mean she keeps talking about Robb visiting Volantis, maybe she's been put under the impression that they will just capture Robb and exile him from Westeros.

[Kraken's Kiss]

I am really clueless as what they're going to do with her. The whole spy thing seems plausible but not even necessary. But considering how poorly the show has done with building up this wedding, maybe it's needed to add some extra "wow" drama to the mix.

Can't wait to see how it all turns out! :cool4:

[Stannis the Wight]

Yeah, because when you get sick, the first thing you do is ride across the Riverlands to Riverrun. You'd never just go back to your chambers..

Talisa is dead.

Haha well done ser

They will show Robb with Grey Wind's head, I'm fairly certain killing a pregnant woman is not as terrible as this. This is the show where an infant girl was killed. Talisa is going to die.

She is at RW, you can see that in "All of Us" promo.

Lol that is so true. Even though I don't believe the Freys actually did that mutilation (I think they were just boasting and wanted to be feared) it will probably be in the show because it's just so gruesome. If they include the head swap they better include Nymeria dragging Cat out of the water and Beric giving her the kiss of fire in episode 10 as this season's closer.

[Montey14]

I'm assuming robb will send Blackfish west to prepare for his assault on Casterly Rock.....talisa will go to the RW and probably suffer the fate of Dacey Mormont......the killing of a pregnanat woman makes the whole afair even that much more repugnant and vile....

[Lord Ben]

I'm guessing the show kills Talisa at RW.

If she lives and was involved in a betrayal ala the Westerlings it'll be to end the war, her pacifist bent isn't a secret.

[darrylzero]

If she lives and was involved in a betrayal ala the Westerlings it'll be to end the war, her pacifist bent isn't a secret.

This is the first rationale for Talisa's possible treachery that I've heard that has a sheen of believability about it. But why would she be faking being pregnant? Because if she's really pregnant, no way that kid could be allowed to be born. And she'd know that. Right?

[jotabe1789]

It would make him both. He'd inherit all of Robb's titles, as Robb's heir.

This is why i think she might survive the wedding.

I'm in the Talisa-is-a-spy field. I think her goal was simply to follow the camp and send Tywin the stuff she saw. That Robb fell with her was an unexpected development. I also believe she has genuine feelings for him, which give her conflict, a conflict she glosses over by being belligerent about her pacifism and by always acting on her pantsfeelings.

Obviously she doesn't know about the RW, there is no point why she should be told. But as soon as Tywin learns about her pregnancy, he knew he has to spare her.

In the books, a heir from Jeyne Westerling would be a threat because he anticipates Robb would keep her protected, so she could become a rallying point. Also, in the books Tywin believes Bran and Rickon to be dead, which would make Sansa (the Stark in his power) the one with the best claim to Winterfel. An heir from Jeyne would difficult matters.

In the show, on the other hand, and if the spy theory is correct, Talisa works for Tywin explicitly, so she will go to Tywin and wouldn't become a rallying point for the North. Plus nobody really knows what happened to Brandon and Rickon (the only people who believed them dead are dead now), so Sansa isn't sure to be the one with the best claim. Having a direct heir of Robb under his power would give Tywin control over the heir with the best claim. So i think that Tywin would want to take advantage of the stroke of good luck that would mean Robb falling in love with his spy.

[zaphodbrx]

Count me in also in the Talisa is a spy theory. I don't believe she is pregnant either, just lying.

['96Buck]

This is why i think she might survive the wedding.

I'm in the Talisa-is-a-spy field. I think her goal was simply to follow the camp and send Tywin the stuff she saw. That Robb fell with her was an unexpected development. I also believe she has genuine feelings for him, which give her conflict, a conflict she glosses over by being belligerent about her pacifism and by always acting on her pantsfeelings.

Obviously she doesn't know about the RW, there is no point why she should be told. But as soon as Tywin learns about her pregnancy, he knew he has to spare her.

In the books, a heir from Jeyne Westerling would be a threat because he anticipates Robb would keep her protected, so she could become a rallying point. Also, in the books Tywin believes Bran and Rickon to be dead, which would make Sansa (the Stark in his power) the one with the best claim to Winterfel. An heir from Jeyne would difficult matters.

In the show, on the other hand, and if the spy theory is correct, Talisa works for Tywin explicitly, so she will go to Tywin and wouldn't become a rallying point for the North. Plus nobody really knows what happened to Brandon and Rickon (the only people who believed them dead are dead now), so Sansa isn't sure to be the one with the best claim. Having a direct heir of Robb under his power would give Tywin control over the heir with the best claim. So i think that Tywin would want to take advantage of the stroke of good luck that would mean Robb falling in love with his spy.

The Westerlings were operating under Tywin's orders in the book, and his bannermen Yet Jeyne was being given moon tea. Any advantage that would accrue to Tywin from a Volantine nurse-Stark child would accue in SPADES from a Westerling-Stark child, yet that was being prevented. There's no reason for Robb to protect Jeyne differently than he's doing with Talisa from his perspective. (obviously he's making a different choice here, but the reasons WHY don't appear to have anything to do with who the wives are)

Whether it's Talisa, specifically, being the spy or Jeyne's mom makes little difference. And Tywin's better off with Sansa as heir to Winterfell, married to Tyrion, than he would be with Robb Jr. in either case.

[King Tommen]

One of the best things that will come out of E9 being finally aired is that it will put to bed the endless bandwith that has been devoted to the terrible, useless not well though out theory that Talisa is a spy.

I will be so so happy when I never have to hear this garbage again.

She's either going to die, or she's going to somehow escape back to Riverrun with the Blackfish to reset to the book narrative, or she'll be taken prisoner there and used against her will by the Lannisters and Boltons to solidify Ramsay's claim to the North since the show does not have a Jeyne Poole character to use (so no fake Arya is needed, only the Lady of Winterfell who is carrying the heir).

Those are the three options. Talisa ripping off her dress to reveal a "Team Lannister" t-shirt underneath is not going to happen. It's stupid, dumb and I have less respect for the fans who have the naivety to swallow this tripe.