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I'll just say that having read over at Television w/out Pity, the fact that so many people who only watch the show think Sansa marrying Tyrion is as good a deal or better than her marrying Loras is a strong indication that this storyline has been seriously mismanaged.

Very well said. And I couldn`t agree more.

Now, since we have reached 400th reply, and the thread will be closed due to length, allow me to schedule the meeting after Episode 8. I will open a thread with the same name, so we could all continue discussion about new scenes. And since the next episode will be crucial for Sansa, I think we`ll have a lot to discuss. I sincerely thank all of you who had productive, non-insulting discussion. We can agree or disagree, but we can`t be rude and offensive to each other. So, until the Sunday night/Monday morning (depend where you are), have a nice weekend and enjoy in Game of thrones S03E08...

Best regards,

Mladen

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But I think deciding when to act and when not to act is an expression of agency (the decision itself is an act). There is nowhere Sansa can physically go, both in KL or the Eryie. Arya can pass as a low-born boy, and so has more ability to physically move around in the story. Sansa wandering through Westeros to the wall? That would not be a very smart thing to do!

the thought of escaping happens when sansa sees a northern bannerman. she wouldn't have been wandering but escorted by a northman in the north.

I'll just say that having read over at Television w/out Pity, the fact that so many people who only watch the show think Sansa marrying Tyrion is as good a deal or better than her marrying Loras is a strong indication that this storyline has been seriously mismanaged.

however, tyrion has done nothing to give sansa pause on the show. the character has a different history. that doesn't mean it was mismanaged. there have been many who voice the concern that tyrion is a lannister but several posters also say the lannister responsible for hurting sansa and her family is joffrey and that tyrion comes to her rescue. none of that is false.

saying that viewers think incorrectly about a character on the show because the character has done different things in the books is a mistake. also, there are plenty of book readers who do thought tyrion was a good deal, too.

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I can't agree.

Sansa consents herself to the Highgarden marriage, she wants to go there and escape KL, she thinks its a good idea, in the book and the show.

She does not consent to the Tyrion marriage, it is forced on her, the fact that they've made it MUCH less of a forced marriage in the show is clearly reflected badly on Sansa if people think she should accept the marriage. That's ridiculous any way you look at it. Even Tyrion Dinklage is under the thumb of his nephew and his father and will not be able to protect Sansa.

And an "adaptation" generally maintains the same basic elements, themes and so forth, so if Sansa becomes seen as a spoiled brat for rejecting Tyrion this is mismanagement as far as I am concerned and I don't even like her character.

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I can't agree.

Sansa consents herself to the Highgarden marriage, she wants to go there and escape KL, she thinks its a good idea, in the book and the show.

She does not consent to the Tyrion marriage, it is forced on her, the fact that they've made it MUCH less of a forced marriage in the show is clearly reflected badly on Sansa if people think she should accept the marriage. That's ridiculous any way you look at it. Even Tyrion Dinklage is under the thumb of his nephew and his father and will not be able to protect Sansa.

And an "adaptation" generally maintains the same basic elements, themes and so forth, so if Sansa becomes seen as a spoiled brat for rejecting Tyrion this is mismanagement as far as I am concerned and I don't even like her character.

i'll start with the last thing first: And an "adaptation" generally maintains the same basic elements, themes and so forth, so if Sansa becomes seen as a spoiled brat for rejecting Tyrion

again, there are MANY book readers that think this. the show has made a stronger case for it but it is not a conclusion that some readers haven't arrived at as well.

She does not consent to the Tyrion marriage, it is forced on her

yes, this is true. it happened in the book and it happened in the show. nothing to complain about here. the twop posters mentioned that as well however some of them feel that given her choices, tyrion is the better choice. as do book readers. no one is denying she's being forced but they're not focusing on that as much. you can make an argument that the show has glossed over that but it is not tyrion that is forcing her.

she wanted to go to highgarden because she thought it was an escape. that comes across in the show as well.

basically your argument is that some viewers support the marriage to tyrion because of changes to character and i'm reminding you that some readers feel the same way. some viewers don't agree and some readers don't.

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It must have been a very, very small minority of readers who that when Cersei came to her room while she was trying on a dress in the book and told her she was going to either walk or be dragged to marry Tyrion at that very moment that they thought 'oh, cool, this will be good, Sansa should be okay with it and just deal'. I find that somewhat hard to fathom.

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