mindchap Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 3) this is more a rhetorical question: does anyone thought it stupid that whoever wrote the pink letter, admitted that Ramsay lost his bride, aka, THE hostage, and Jon instead of being relieved by this gets furious and decides to march south because he was threaten to get killed? I mean... come on! That makes no sense! :uhoh:Thanks before hand! ;)Maybe Jon knows the Bastard's tricks better than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_Cake Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 1) Joffrey.Even in the show, Cersei all but says it, she's protecting her son.2) Good question actually. They should be Westerlings like you said because they themselves aren't bastards.about joffrey, this is confirmed? i honestly don't remember seeing evidence for this on the books, so i'm really curious =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manderlay Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 3) this is more a rhetorical question: does anyone thought it stupid that whoever wrote the pink letter, admitted that Ramsay lost his bride, aka, THE hostage, and Jon instead of being relieved by this gets furious and decides to march south because he was threaten to get killed? I mean... come on! That makes no sense! :uhoh:Jon had to take action as he was threatened by Ramsay, it wasn't just about Arya, the NW was implicated in aiding Stannis, if Boltons came to the wall, they wouldn't differentiate between the black brothers, stannis who has left a few guards with Mel and his queen, wildlings and Jon. Confrontation between the NW and Boltons was inevitable after the events that took place, Mel sends Mance, she does that because she knows Jon cannot interfere because of his vows, I do not think it was stupid, Jon had to do what he did because the NW would have been destroyed by Boltons if he didn't confront them, the castles at the wall have no walls of their own and are open to attack from the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Is there a forum where people who have read all the books can discuss the show without the topics getting locked? I know there is a show forum but that's for those who are watching the show and don't want spoilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyanna wolfgirl Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 on the show forums, you can post on any post that's marked "Book Spoilers." that's where everyone who's read the books discusses the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyanna wolfgirl Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 my (maybe not so small) question: who came up with the original idea for the RW, walder frey or tywin lannister? (or roose bolton?) i always felt that walder came up with it and wrote tywin like "please, daddy lannister, let me be your bitch, i have this great idea for a wedding..." and tywin was like "ok, if you really want to do that, great, i'll help you plan." am i wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 my (maybe not so small) question: who came up with the original idea for the RW, walder frey or tywin lannister? (or roose bolton?) i always felt that walder came up with it and wrote tywin like "please, daddy lannister, let me be your bitch, i have this great idea for a wedding..." and tywin was like "ok, if you really want to do that, great, i'll help you plan." am i wrong?It was Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 my (maybe not so small) question: who came up with the original idea for the RW, walder frey or tywin lannister? (or roose bolton?) i always felt that walder came up with it and wrote tywin like "please, daddy lannister, let me be your bitch, i have this great idea for a wedding..." and tywin was like "ok, if you really want to do that, great, i'll help you plan." am i wrong?That much planning reeks of Tywin, I know the first Lady Stoneheart chapter he tells her the other Freys that planned it all but I think it was Tywin's brainchild and the Frey's just filled in the details. I think Bolton actually improvised the Jamie Lannister remark so that anyone who survived it would know full well who had helped plan it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyanna wolfgirl Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i see your point. and while we're at it, why was it so important to bolton that he implicate the lannisters with that "regards" statement? who is he covering his ass from? does he really think that will get him off any kind of hook with anyone? and why frame jamie and not just say "the lannisters" (like in the show)... maybe just because he thought it would be funny to misrepresent what jamie said at harrenhal? and also, who was the audience he was intending that regards line for? other freys? soon-to-be-hostages? or just a final fuck you to robb before he died?so many questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i see your point. and while we're at it, why was it so important to bolton that he implicate the lannisters with that "regards" statement? who is he covering his ass from? does he really think that will get him off any kind of hook with anyone? and why frame jamie and not just say "the lannisters" (like in the show)... maybe just because he thought it would be funny to misrepresent what jamie said at harrenhal? and also, who was the audience he was intending that regards line for? other freys? soon-to-be-hostages? or just a final fuck you to robb before he died?so many questions...I thought maybe it was to help spread some of the aggression away from the North's, or now his, doorstep. There were other Freys there as well as the people who were imprisoned and killed and men will talk. The ones who were just told what to do and not given all the details would probably not know that the Lannisters were involved but now they do and word does spread. But this is verging dangerously close to big question territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyanna wolfgirl Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I thought maybe it was to help spread some of the aggression away from the North's, or now his, doorstep. There were other Freys there as well as the people who were imprisoned and killed and men will talk. The ones who were just told what to do and not given all the details would probably not know that the Lannisters were involved but now they do and word does spread. But this is verging dangerously close to big question territory.i guess i thought the playing of the rains of castamere would have already been a pretty big giveaway. but you're right. onto smaller questions :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i guess i thought the playing of the rains of castamere would have already been a pretty big giveaway. but you're right. onto smaller questions :)The rains is a very famous song and it doesn't "mean" or say anything by itself.As to the regards by Jaime, I always assumed that one of the subtler meanings and readings is telling Cat and Robb that they brought it on themselves. "We lost the war when Jaime was let go, so I'm kind of doing the right thing". So, yep, trying to get off the hook Roose style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 That much planning reeks of Tywin, I know the first Lady Stoneheart chapter he tells her the other Freys that planned it all but I think it was Tywin's brainchild and the Frey's just filled in the details. I think Bolton actually improvised the Jamie Lannister remark so that anyone who survived it would know full well who had helped plan it.Dumped it on the Freys because the backlash from the north and breaking the laws of hospitality won't fall on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Forel's Fro Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 How did tywin destroy the Reyes and Tarbecks? A lot of the time history repeats itself so I'm wondering if Tywin destroyed the Starks the way he previously destroyed those two houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissingNo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Why?Because otherwise it would be too mainstream :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Why?Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Should we consider the Daynes salty Dornishmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 1) Joffrey.Even in the show, Cersei all but says it, she's protecting her son.The show deviates from the books quite a bit. It could have been Jofferey, but it's never clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 my (maybe not so small) question: who came up with the original idea for the RW, walder frey or tywin lannister? (or roose bolton?) i always felt that walder came up with it and wrote tywin like "please, daddy lannister, let me be your bitch, i have this great idea for a wedding..." and tywin was like "ok, if you really want to do that, great, i'll help you plan." am i wrong?Tywin mentions at some point that they were going to try to arrange a "hunting accident" for Robb, but that it did not work out. It never seemed to me that it was Tywin who came up with the Red Wedding, just that he gave the price to Bolton and Frey that Robb needed to die and they would be given the king's peace.All those dead Northerners mean nothing to Tywin, but the mean the world to Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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