A Man Has Said Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 The thing is, Walder Frey, in Cat's words "is a dangerous man to cross", right? Robb needed him though and made vows to get what he wants. BUT even though Robb was warned, he still breaks his vows and as I understand, noble families have always "spat" on the Freys. You don't do that to a man who is known to be dangerous and holds something very essential to your cause (men and the bridge). This doesn't approve the violation of guest right and the massacre of RW but Walder Frey got his excuse to betray him. And a sly man he is, he betrays him when he knows he gets "protection" from Tywin.And Roose, I think the Starks have never trusted Boltons (got the expression from Ned). I think Robb put too much faith in him. When Robb looks like he is losing the war, Roose turns his cloak. Like Ned said about Jaime goes well with Roose as well: "You served him well, when it was safe".As for Karstark thing, Robb decided to execute their lord as is suitable for Rickard's crimes. BUT if the Karstark are half of his army, what do you expect them to do when their lord is executed? Edmure, BF and Cat, they all (I think) suggested Robb to hold him as hostage until the fighting is done but Robb decided to behead him.I agree that Roose and Walder Frey do not have the courage to turn their cloaks openly so they go do thing like the RW.Well, Old Walder certainly feels that noble families have always spat on the Freys, primarily by refusing to marry his sons, daughters, and grandchildren.Think about that in context of the expectations that Old Walder has. His targets are such people as Edmure Tully (heir to being Lord Paramount of the Riverlands) Brynden Blackfish, the brother of Hoster (who IS Lord Paramount while Walder is trying to 'catch' him) and Robb Stark, who is the Lord Paramount and later King in the North. Setting his sights kinda high don't you think? All these families are WELL above the Frey's station. They're just bannermen.And what does he have to offer in return? With that many kin to marry off, none of them individually is going to come with a big dowry, or for the men, lands and castles of their own. You've got a budget for dowries, and it has to be split between 40 daughters, it's not going to go a long way.How about the higher lords marrying some Freys to cement their loyalty? That ain't going to happen because they have a long-held reputation for treachery (perhaps going back to before Old Walder) - a reputation which was set in stone when "The Late Walder Frey" failed to show up with his host at the Trident until it was all over and he knew who had won. How much good is that to you in a war?Walder's disappointment is the same as you or I starting an entry level job flipping burgers and being disappointed that it doesn't come with a company car and an expense account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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