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How would you rate episode 309?

How would you rate episode 308?  

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Rosalind was all wrong. She wasn't sad or nervous at all really.

Focusing on Rob and Talisa vs Rob and Cat changed the scene and somehow, though gripping and shocking, was not as emotionally horrific as Cat's POV in the book.

I loved the episode but it just doesn't come close to the emotional punch the scene packed in the book.

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Gave it a 8, took a few points off for Catelyn not clawing her face to ribbons and for the way Grey Wind was handled.

A few points for that? Seems harsh for a great episode if changing such minor items takes you from a 10 to an 8?

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Rosalind was all wrong. She wasn't sad or nervous at all really.

Focusing on Rob and Talisa vs Rob and Cat changed the scene and somehow, though gripping and shocking, was not as emotionally horrific as Cat's POV in the book.

I loved the episode but it just doesn't come close to the emotional punch the scene packed in the book.

You don't think that has anything to do with the fact that you know it is coming this time?

Maybe Rosalind doesn't know on the show? I would actually like that change.

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I nearly cried (I did when I read it). Not because of Robb, because of Cat. Michelle Fairley played it amazingly all the way to the last second. Since basically all of it was good, I will list my complaints, then some key things that stuck out to me.

Bad:

  • I was very upset with Roose Bolton's stabbing. It was abrupt, far too 'out of nowhere' but not in the way the book surprised me. I expected to see him walking up, and then do the deed. But instead, he sort of pops into frame like "Surprise!" and stabs Robb. I expected to see him coming, but not see it coming.
  • Sam knowing about the Black Gate and the delay of Coldhands. Since Coldhands doesn't really have an identity (that we can tell from his scenes), there is no casting restraint. It just doesn't make much sense to do it the way they did. On a side note, I like how they tied back to Sam in season one saying "I always wanted to be a wizard."
  • It was dumb how the soldiers of Yunkai--noted to be slaves--surround Daario, Grey Worm, and Jorah, and then they apparently just threw down their weapons? It would have been better to show a man dressed in fancy garb step outside and yelling for the soldiers to attack, and they simply lay down their weapons there. I think that would have had more impact and made more sense.
  • Roslin looked too happy, and not nervous at all.

Key points:

  • I like how they added in a bit of the Varamyr prologue by showing Orell's "second life."
  • They did a great job with Bran's warging abilities. It was about time they gave us some real content there. I really liked how they showed how big of a deal it was that Bran could warg Hodor even for a split second. I know this is different from the books (Bran keeps it a secret; warging men is considered horrible), but it did a better job to explain just how special Bran is, given they have dodged it with all of his scenes earlier this season. My one issue was that I wanted Jojen to mention his third eye.
  • I am still curious how they will get Tormund North of the Wall. He needs to survive the battle, and no way he would be captured. I imagine he will now go back over the Wall with Ygritte since their force was just ripped apart, to warn Mance that the Night's Watch is now aware of their imminent attack.
  • I like how much content they got into the wedding--Roose's marriage, Edmure's immaturity, Robb's naivety, Cat's paranoia, Cat's love for her family (in large thanks to Fairley), the Frey's lack of respect when it comes to the rules of honor and the gods (guest right).
  • The Rains of Castamere. When I heard that, I felt my chest tighten. Well done.

All in all an amazing episode that I was so worried they would screw up. With Talisa dead, they were able to cut the content of Tywin managing the dormant alliance with Sybell Spicer for the show's future (makes sense). I love how they managed to show us just how close Arya was to being reunited with her family, and also how the Hound does have a conscience that he hides behind anger. The moment of the bedding was also perfect--Edmure looking drunk and boyish.

I don't have an ear for this, but was that music played well? I remember in the book it was notably bad, so I wondered if anyone with an ear for music knows if the music was played particularly poorly.

I gave it a 10/10.

You know what I didn't get the thing with the slaves either, totally forgot about it. WTF was that? Maybe we get something new, some sort of betrayal next week, they have to get rid of Mormont, then again maybe not with the show. Something not right with that seen though.

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I can deal with Cat not clawing her face. And while I was never a fan of Talysa, wow, I have to say having her there and getting stabbed in the gut a la Dacey Mormont was definitely heartbreaking.

Yeah I hated Talisa but I really didn't like seeing all the stabbing to the stomach. I couldn't even watch that part honestly.

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Might get crapped on here by some, but I really think if you were disappointed in that scene it was because you put way too much weight in the book's reading, and can't grasp adaptation to the screen.

:agree:

I thought it was a stellar adaptation. I don't see how they could have done it much better without it seeming gratuitous. Other than the odd way Rooses betrayal was portrayed. That could have been done a bit more dramatically.

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I never thought I could hate any fictional character as much as I hate the Freys. I hope that their is not a single Frey or Bolton left by the end the books besides maybe Roslin. The North Remembers!!

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If I were a book purist with no idea whatsoever how to adapt a book series to a screen series, I'd probably give this an 8. Since I'm neither, I give it a 10. It's absolutely brilliant adaptation work. Everything works, they stay true to their canon. I feel the emotions I'm meant to feel with each scene. All of the the little, easter egg stuff just jumps out to me (like boar continuing to indicate regime shift/dead kings). Rewatching episodes is absolutely as great as rereading because they cram each scene full with little bits that make for fun analysis.

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I never thought I could hate any fictional character as much as I hate the Freys. I hope that their is not a single Frey or Bolton left by the end the books besides maybe Roslin. The North Remembers!!

Hey! Fat Walda?

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Might get crapped on here by some, but I really think if you were disappointed in that scene it was because you put way too much weight in the book's reading, and can't grasp adaptation to the screen.

There's no such thing as putting too much weight on the book.

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If I were a book purist with no idea whatsoever how to adapt a book series to a screen series, I'd probably give this an 8. Since I'm neither, I give it a 10. It's absolutely brilliant adaptation work. Everything works, they stay true to their canon. I feel the emotions I'm meant to feel with each scene. All of the the little, easter egg stuff just jumps out to me (like boar continuing to indicate regime shift/dead kings). Rewatching episodes is absolutely as great as rereading because they cram each scene full with little bits that make for fun analysis.

:thumbsup:

I found it harder to watch than read. Knowing whats coming sometimes still doesnt matter. It was still very gut twistingly horrible. So good.

The little easter eggs like "Hodor, stop hodoring!", Sandor's boar chomping, the foreshadowing going on, etc. Its all really good. When Sandor said "You cant hide behind that face." to Arya, i was all "OOOOOOh snap!"

Lets not forget about Fat Walda! Heeeeee!

Edited by Florina Stark

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Had a chance to settle down a bit. Still genuinely can't remember much else about the episode at all.

I don't even care that they cut out the 'Ned loves my hair,' line. As GRRM has said about the show before, the spirit was very much the same.

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Might get crapped on here by some, but I really think if you were disappointed in that scene it was because you put way too much weight in the book's reading, and can't grasp adaptation to the screen.

I agree with this absolutely. The book is the inspiration for the series, but ultimately, to translate the book to screen, an adaptation must occur. Things must be trimmed down, the show must create it's own canon, etc. A show is limited by budget, time, ability, etc. Plus, they end up putting a lot of the 'important' things in the scene anyway. You just have to actually watch and look. Like the books, everything in the show isn't spoonfed.

:thumbsup:

I found it harder to watch than read. Knowing whats coming sometimes still doesnt matter. It was still very gut twistingly horrible. So good.

The little easter eggs like "Hodor, stop hodoring!", Sandor's boar chomping, the foreshadowing going on, etc. Its all really good. When Sandor said "You cant hide behind that face." to Arya, i was all "OOOOOOh snap!"

Lets not forget about Fat Walda! Heeeeee!

Oh man, this one had so many more easter eggs than normal! I have this super long list of it all. My eyes could barely process, they were moving to fast across the screen and trying to keep up with what my ears were hearing!

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There's no such thing as putting too much weight on the book.

Well maybe weight is the wrong word, but you have to realize how much different it is in telling a story, getting details down and building stuff up. The show absolutely cannot show the dread we get in that chapter because its coming from Catelyn's perspective, in her head, from her inner monologue. In the show, we have a omniscient view of every character. How can they recapture or portray the same kind of dread that we get from Cat's perspective?

What was missing from this that made it worse than the books?

This isn't a knock on opinions, and it might've seemed that way before, so I apologize, but I just don't get that perspective sometimes.

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I never thought I could hate any fictional character as much as I hate the Freys. I hope that their is not a single Frey or Bolton left by the end the books besides maybe Roslin. The North Remembers!!

Arya will kill em' all! :fencing:

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Quotes not working for me, but no I do not believe it was bc I knew what was coming. It just changed the scene for me emotionally focusing in Talisa more before the massacre. Like I said, I loved the episode... I really did. It was just very different impact with the TV perspective. I'm not a book purist, I like the show to make changes. I guess maybe I just never connected to Talisa's chAracter and her being at the RW changed the dynamic of the scene ( for me at least) and so, although I liked it, it didn't quite have the same punch emotionally (for me)

(Sorry for errors; on my phone with one hand typing while rocking my little one:)

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The show absolutely cannot show the dread we get in that chapter because its coming from Catelyn's perspective, in her head, from her inner monologue. In the show, we have a omniscient view of every character. How can they recapture or portray the same kind of dread that we get from Cat's perspective?

Make it an unpleasant, uncomfortable wedding. Make a point of the horrible food, the horrible music, that it's all too loud and discordant and headache-inducing, something you suffer through. It's a horrible wedding -- people who have been to weddings have probably come across an awkard, trying one in their time, so they can sympathize. You want it to end, you want them to get on with it, not go, "Oh, well, here's a happy wedding, it's all worked out in the end."

Psychological horror films are capable of inducing dread and unease without resorting to narration and inner dialogue. The secret of Catelyn's last chapter is that it's basically a work of horror fiction, not fantasy, in terms of the mode in which it is written. George does everything but throw in the boogie man.

Really, TV can do this stuff. Whether the writers want to do it or not, that's up to them. But it is possible.

Edited by Ran

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