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How would you rate episode 309?

How would you rate episode 308?  

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Cat's scene was a bit underwhelming, I was afraid at first that they weren't going to do it. But then she picked up that sword and. . . bam. Well done. The energy was finally there. I was expecting things to move in the Red Wedding scene just a little faster, all in all, though, it did come off. Just because I expected it to be more chaotic doesn't mean they didn't do a good job.

Really enjoyed the Dany scenes. She's seems to do 'warrior queen' so much better than 'powerless beggar queen.' Even though Daario doesn't have a blue beard, he clearly enjoys being as dramatic as possible. I can practically hear Jorah rolling his eyes in the background. Bran scenes are picking up, much better. I think they've slowed the pace a bit there having Osha and Rickon along, but I enjoy seeing them and will miss them if they disappear from the next season. And I have to credit Maisie Williams, she seems to be able to interact amazingly with almost any of her adult counterparts. I always love her scenes.

Missed seeing the Queen of Thorns this week, but that was more than made up for by the crusty old Frey! Such a terrific look he gives Rob during Edmund's wedding - 'see what you could've had?' Heh.

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I gave it a 3. It was disappointing. Not the way it was filmed, but the way the plot went. Arya almost reaching her mother and brother, almost reaching Rob's wolf, but not getting to them. Jon being right outside of where Bran and Rickon were, without seeing them. All those "almosts." Just sad, disappointing, unsatisfying. I guess I'm glad I never read the books. The storyline just isn't all that it's said to be.

Plus, this episode was switching back and forth between locations every couple of minutes. And that Dario Naharis guy with his few little scratches to his girly face was just laughable. The best part were the scenes with Edmure and Roslyn looking at each other.

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They should have had Arya free Grey Wind and have him take out some Freys before he died. However Michelle Fairly scream was chilling to the bone. One of the best endings. The choice to use no music during the credits was brilliant.

Edited by greywindsrage

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They should have had Arya free Grey Wind and make take out some Freys before he died. However Michelle Fairlyscream was chilling to the bone. One of the best endings. The choice to use no music during the credits was brilliant.

Yes, Greywind needed to kick some ass before going down!

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I can't really explain why I feel this way but there was just something about it that kept me from really liking the episode

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Tirilei said:

I gave it a 3. It was disappointing. Not the way it was filmed, but the way the plot went. Arya almost reaching her mother and brother, almost reaching Rob's wolf, but not getting to them. Jon being right outside of where Bran and Rickon were, without seeing them. All those "almosts." Just sad, disappointing, unsatisfying. I guess I'm glad I never read the books. The storyline just isn't all that it's said to be.

Plus, this episode was switching back and forth between locations every couple of minutes. And that Dario Naharis guy with his few little scratches to his girly face was just laughable. The best part were the scenes with Edmure and Roslyn looking at each other.

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said by who exactly?

By those who are crazy about the books. Tastes vary, I suppose.

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By those who are crazy about the books. Tastes vary, I suppose.

Hang it there with the show for a bit longer, the bad guys are going to get some comeuppance. And truly you can't enjoy those comeuppance as much if you didn't hate them as much as you do because of the crap they pull like tonight.

Edited by The Scabbard Of the Morning

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Robb's death was spot on, even though I am kinda sad that they made Roose do the dirty deed. In the book he wouldn't have dirtied his hands like that.

I want to tear you apart right now. But I will restrain. Read the books.

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[bOOK SPOILERS]

These are MY complaints. There are a LOT of them. Let me begin by saying this is my least favorite episode of the entire series and I am utterly disappointed. Benioff and Weiss were the whole reason I started reading A Song of Ice and Fire to begin with. Game of Thrones inspired me to pick up a novel and finish it for the very first time in my nineteen years of life. That novel in turn inspired me to read four more after that. I trusted them completely with this. The Red Wedding was their ultimate goal in the series and they've said it from the start. I am still in disbelief that they would butcher it so badly but I digress. Onto business.

1. Robb's arrival at the Twins was an event in and of itself. His arrival and his death should have been spread out between two episodes as it was in the books with two successive Catelyn chapters. The entire event happened way too fast. For those who have not read the books, Greywind (Robb’s direwolf who has been largely missing from the show until randomly appearing in a KENNEL this episode) attacks some Freys in the rain as they greet the Starks to their castle. Robb, going through great pains to appease Walder Frey, decides to CHAIN his trusty direwolf outside (not in a damned dog kennel). Throughout their time at the Twins, Greywind howls in despair, sensing what is to come.

2. Blackfish & Jeyne (Talisa) are supposed to be safe at Riverrun; not at the Twins with Robb & Catelyn. Jeyne is still alive in the books, supposedly with Robb’s unborn child. An entire plot element currently hinges on whether or not that child is a boy. She should not have been killed off. I’m surprised they didn’t kill the Blackfish as well. How do they explain what he was even doing while his niece and great nephew (KING) were being slaughtered? I suppose he has magically escaped the castle and all the carnage outside to return to Riverrun, where he will most certainly be needed in the future for Jaime’s scenes.

3. Greywind dies AFTER Robb. This is extremely important (sentimentally-wise) as Robb’s real last words are “Greywind…” not “Mother…” It is to be assumed Robb wargs into his direwolf after he dies since this is the same moment Greywind viciously attacks nearby Freys who have not yet began their assault. Robb is betrayed, killed by his own man, wargs into his wolf, then dies all over again. It is part of his death and cutting that out of the show makes it considerably less tragic. To match, the death they gave Greywind here was so lacking in dramatic force or quality, you barely even cared that he was killed.

4. Another thing that makes Robb’s death less bleak is his childish disgruntlement towards Walder Frey throughout the episode. At this point in the books, Robb is genuinely sorry for what he did to his house and wants to make amends. He sustains every slight Walder throws at him without a flinch and handles himself extremely well at the Twins in the face of every petulant Frey. It’s hard to feel sorry for him here with those petty school boy heroics.

5. Most of the deaths in this episode were incredibly underwhelming compared to the deaths in A Storm of Swords. This was for many reasons, unfortunately. First of all, overly dramatic music was being played over everything when we should have been treated to nothing but the Rains of Castamere slowly digressing into the boom doom boom of the musicians’ drums. Secondly, Robb’s actor did an absolutely horrible job at displaying any sort of confusion, shock, fear, or despair. I heard he cried after he discovered how his character was to be killed but you never would have guessed he actually cared from his performance.

Catelyn’s actor was MORE than capable of carrying out some of the horrific things G.R.R. Martin described in his books but for whatever reason, Benioff and Weiss decided to stray for something far drabber. Going catatonic may sound like a proper reaction to the soul crushing sight of what you think is your only surviving child being killed in front of you but when Cat’s scream fades out and she just stands there motionless, it doesn’t deliver the jarring reaction her death deserves. It looks more as if she just accepts it and stops struggling. In the books, she scratches her face to ribbons as she screams bloody murder and the Freys waste no time in apprehending her by the hair. As her braid is yanked back, she thinks “No, not my hair! Ned loves my hair!” This would have been absolutely perfect had those been her last words. She literally goes mad with grief but viewers simply can’t grasp the extent of that grief without lines such as this.

Jeyne’s (Talisa’s) death, besides being totally uncanon, took away from the relationship between mother and son. It wasn’t supposed to be about Jeyne or Robb’s child. It was supposed to be about Catelyn and HER child. This is the relationship we had come to understand in-depth from Cat’s perspective since the first book. Jeyne’s family were also supposed to be suspected conspirators in the Red Wedding. Their daughter was not planned to be killed along with the Starks despite Jeyne’s alleged devotion to Robb. As I mentioned before, a huge plot element hinges on her and her baby. By the fifth book, Blackfish holds Riverrun against the Lannisters with Jeyne tight under guard. He defends her with his life. Why would he do this if not to protect an heir? Now what are they going to come up with when G.R.R. Martin reveals Jeyne is pregnant with the King in the North’s son?

Forget the main characters for a second; part of the horror of the Red Wedding was that so many people you were starting to like were all being slaughtered like farm animals. It is too much to expect to see minor characters such as Dacey Mormont and Smalljon Umber but surely their roles could have been replaced with existing characters in the show. Characters who, in the books, did not matter much. Lopping off the Greatjon’s head in place of his son’s would have been an excellent deviation as the Greatjon is supposed to be held captive then hardly ever mentioned again. Instead, we watch a bunch of bearded men who we’ve never even seen before being killed in humdrum fashions. No crossbow bolts through the mouth, no beheadings; none of that.

I doubt it would have had an impact anyway since the gore in this episode was completely unrealistic and tainted by Hollywood action movies. People do not instantly lose consciousness when their throat is cut then fall to the floor dead. When your esophagus is severed, you lose the ability to breathe through your mouth/nose and begin breathing out of a hole in your neck. This is largely impossible though since the wound bleeds profusely, clogging your esophagus with fluids. You essentially drown on your own blood in a panic, making all sorts of horrible snorting noises for up to three minutes. I’m not even sure G.R.R. Martin was aware of this before writing the Red Wedding but slitting throats was never described as one fell graze upon the neck. Catelyn SAWED through this person’s throat until they died. Stabbing a person in their heart is another matter but looks like Bolton missed the mark! Roose had a tiny dagger in place of a longsword and apparently decided to stab Robb in the lower part of his lung (causing instant death… ?).

While all this is happening inside the castle, the Stark host outside is supposed to be burning to death by the masses as a result of giant feast tents rigged to catch fire and collapse on top of them. Rather than depict the elaborate trap G.R.R. Martin conceived, it is simply implied all the Stark men outside are put to the sword. Good thing the viewers have no idea how many Stark men there are in comparison to Bolton men or else they would surely question the effectiveness of an open, armed conflict.

6. Roose’s performance here was a huge disappointment. I was setting my expectations high assuming this actor would be the one to do everything right. I was thoroughly enjoying his portrayal of the Leech Lord up until this point. He seemed so smug whereas in the books, he barely made an attempt to talk to anyone. He played his part perfectly while most of the Freys were a nervous wreck. But he was never cheeky about it. Here, he looks like he’s taking great pleasure in taunting the Starks as if he hates them. Roose is a man who plays for the winning team and takes no particular joy in betrayal. He just accepts that it’s practical and carries out his atrocities without guilt. In addition to screwing up his behavior, the actor got his body movements all wrong as well. Roose is supposed to glide in and out of the hall as confident and smooth as can be. Here, he darts around, ducking his head and lunging out of harm’s way. It’s just so unlike the Lord of the Dreadfort. But most importantly, he says to Robb just before he stabs him “the LANNISTERS send their regards.” I’m sorry, but WHY did you change that from “the Kingslayer sends his regards?” WHY do you think G.R.R. Martin set it up that way?! Cat is supposed to believe Jaime had a hand in her son’s demise from that statement. Cat FREED Jaime so she instantly thinks she’s killed her own son with her foolish actions. She’s supposed to believe that Jaime betrayed her later on in the series but of course viewers will never catch on to this.

7. Lastly, Sandor & Arya’s story was poorly done here. Arya was supposed to be desperate trying to get into the Twins despite all the bloodshed so that she could see her mother and brother once again. The Hound somehow managed to knock her out and carry her off unseen without a fret but in the books, it’s a fight for survival. Frey men attack them and Sandor has to kill a few with an axe before Arya makes a run for it. Just as she’s about to reach the castle, the Hound hits her atop the head. It would have been a much more emotional scene to see Arya kicking and screaming as Sandor tries to subdue her like it was in A Storm of Swords.

I was so hyped up for this moment ever since I read it in the books. I can’t tell you how immensely let down I am. This was meant to be the most significant event in the entire series and I do not feel they did it justice by any means. Viewers of the show will never know how much better it could have been; how much better it should have been. I’m not done with the series but I can definitely say now that I prefer G.R.R. Martin’s works over Benioff and Weiss’s any day. If they would just stick to the damned books instead of making their own changes all the time, I’d be happy. Cut what you need to but don’t add things that were never written down by the author. That’s rule No.1 of any adaption. I can only see this getting worse as the story progresses. Unless the producers get back on track and start doing things the way they should have done all along, I have no more hope left for Game of Thrones.

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I gave it an 8.

Ran explained my disappointment over atmosphere better than i can!!

I have reread the books several times, and that chapter never fails to be haunting and heartwrenching.

With all the extra sources of drama, it just didnt live up to the promise.

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A 10. Complex storyline with tthe RW and they did a great job with the screen interpretation. Even though I'd prepared myself, am left feeling shattered. That final look between Robb and Catelyn just about did me in, as did the parting between Bran and Rickon. Why GRRM, why do you hate the Starks so much??

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I gave it 8/10.

I think the RW scene could be more epic but it was good anyways. I wish it was a little bit faster though. And I missed Cat's clawing her face. I think it could be done in more emotional and dynamic way. What I really loved about a weddng was Edmure. His reaction to Roslin was priceless.

I liked Bran & co. scene for the first time. And the kid who plays Rickon is really awesome. He brought me to tears in Maester Luwin's death scene and now too.

I love The Hound. He was sooo good! And quite funny as well when sitting on that wagon with the hood on. And the pigs feet scene! Although his last one with Arya when he hits her head with an axe could me more dramatic IMO.

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