Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A few people I know who like the Lannisters always say they haven't done much wrong. So I told them this community could come up with an entire list of Lannister crimes and wrongs just in the time the series has begun. This is my attempt at doing so and any help would be appreciated.- Jaime and Cersei twincest- Jaime pushing Bran- Joffrey putting a hit on Bran- Cersei whipping Alayaya - Cersei aborting Roberts child- Joffrey lying about his run in with Arya- Cersei having Ned arrested - Joffreys torture of innocent people, most prominently Sansa - Tyrions kinslaying - Cersei ordering Roberts bastard to be killed- Tyrion raping someone - Jaime threatening to deliver Edmures child via trebuchet- Tywin letting loose Ser Gregor and his lot on the Riverlands- Having a Kettleblack kill the HS- Tywin pardoning participants in the Red Wedding as well as Jeyne Westerling- Cersei handing over people for Qyburns experiments- Conspiracy to murder the LC of the NW - Joffrey killing smallfolk - Cersei providing false testimonies against Tyrion during his murder trial- Cersei ordering Mandon Moore to kill Tyrion- Tyrion for not turning in Podrick for murdering Mandon Moore- Tyrion torturing Pycelle and sending him to the black cells with no trial - Cersei giving Jeyne Pool to Littlefinger- Tyrion not going public with twincest- Tyrion having Symond the singer killed - Tyrion existing - Cersei plotting to have Bronn killed - Cersei and Lancel incest- Joffrey sending the Hound against MycahAnd those are just the ones off the top of my head. What might I be missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groat Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 - Jaime threatening to deliver Edmures child via trebuchetPersonally, I wouldn't include that on the list.If you're going to make a list of Lannister crimes, I think Tywin would be at the top when he let lose his dogs of war in the Riverlands, with Cersei and Joffrey both at a close 2nd for their "mischief" in KL (mischief being torture and murder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Personally, I wouldn't include that on the list.If you're going to make a list of Lannister crimes, I think Tywin would be at the top when he let lose his dogs of war in the Riverlands, with Cersei and Joffrey both at a close 2nd for their "mischief" in KL (mischief being torture and murder). I'm including crimes and immoral actions. I should have been more clear. And Tywins actions will be edited in, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Remind me, who did Tyrion rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirolo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Lol. Should I make a list of Stark crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 If the trebuchet threat is a crime (which it is not), then so is his threat to stick a sword in Loras. Threats are not crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Remind me, who did Tyrion rape? he raped a whore in Lys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory Cassel Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 - Cersei aborting Robert's child (goes with twincest)- Joffrey ordering the hit on Bran- Cersei whipping Alayaya (or however that is spelled)But who are you to blame Cersei for arresting Ned anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Huh, I'll have to re-read that bit. Anyway you should probably include "Tyrion chokes a whore to death." Also, probably everything Gregor has done since the books started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 - Cersei aborting Robert's child (goes with twincest)- Joffrey ordering the hit on Bran- Cersei whipping Alayaya (or however that is spelled)But who are you to blame Cersei for arresting Ned anyway? it was wrong in the sense that Cersei knew arresting Ned was concealing the truth about her crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Huh, I'll have to re-read that bit. Anyway you should probably include "Tyrion chokes a whore to death." Also, probably everything Gregor has done since the books started. it's on page 25 of the hard copy of ADWD. I'd put the text here myself but it's pretty annoying to do so from a phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persepolis Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 -Their biggest crime was marrying Cersei to Bob.Also: -Letting LF keep his head. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBlood Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Cersei having Lancel take care of Robert on the hunting trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory Cassel Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 allusion to your nick, but never mind;)also the sack of KL and the murder of Aegon, Rhaenys and Elia are missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Cersei called Tyrion a mean name once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 allusion to your nick, but never mind;)also the sack of KL and the murder of Aegon, Rhaenys and Elia are missing the emphasis was on crimes commited since AGoT was releasedEta: I don't know how your jape got over my head :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBlood Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Having a Kettleblack kill the high septon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolantero Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I don't think twincest is a crime or even immoral (Robert was cheating on Cercei anyway) although it is gross.Other crimes:1) There is a strong hint that Joffrey molested or abused Tommen (could go under "Joffrey torturing innocents" but maybe it deserves a special mention)2) Tywin letting loose Amory Lorch and Gregor on Elia and her children3) Tywin having his guards rape Tysha4) Tyrion participating in (3) (although how much blame he has is debateable)5) Cercei giving all those people to Quyburn for his freak experiments6) Cercei causing a number of deaths (mostly dwarves) when she put a hit on Tyrion and did not discourage people who brought her the heads of innocents7) Tywin bringing the Bloody Mummers to Westeros8) Cercei ordering the killing of the High Septon in AFFC because she thought he was "Tyrion's creature"9) Cercei trying to frame Margery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross1 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 To me, one of the interesting plotlines is Tyrion making a deal with the martells to hand the mountain over, but then he (and Tywin once he becomes hand) renege on it, another very obvious instance of not "paying their debts". I dont think any lannister is actually able to adhear to that motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Tywin killing Elia and her kids.Tywin organizing the gang rape of his daughter in law.Tywin pillaging the Riverlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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