WhiteOwl18 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Courtesy of Ragnarok in the JS reread thread:From Craster:A possible clue, right? Rhaegar had too much family history with bastards not to marry Lyanna first.And curiously enough, no one seems to find it strange that Craster has several wives, people are just disgusted (and rightfully so!) by the fact that they're also his daughters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 A possible clue, right? Rhaegar had too much family history with bastards not to marry Lyanna first.LOL, GRRM is just hitting people over head with marriage being the right thing to do, he also gives Rhaegar the perfect excuse in the form of the family history with polygamy... so obvious, IMHO :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 But then again I'm a firm believer that if Jon ends up with the girl it will be either Val or Asha Greyjoy......You know, if Jon and Val do end up together, I'm going to love Ghost even more for kind of picking her for him, you know?Robb never had the approval of his direwolf, or Jeyne never liked him? (Could be confusing the book and show.) Ghost is the boss and makes sure Jon picks someone Ghost would want to snuggle up to, as well.They'd better have a lot of room where they sleep, because Ghost's going to sleep in between them. :lol:/thecuteness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillent Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Edric Dayne is several years younger than Jon. If he was conceived at Harrenhall, he would have been almost two years older than Jon. "Milk brothers" doesn't mean that they were nursed at the same time but that they were nursed by the same woman, exactly as "brothers" mean that they were born of the same woman, not at the same time.Alfie Allen said nothing about Luke and Leia. He did mention some SW situation, which is most probably Luke being raised by his uncle in ignorance of who his parents truly were or that his father plays the role of villain in the story.Oh damn, okay yeah that shoots the theory down, I don't know why I thought they were of similar age -- been a while since I did that reread. I'm still convinced something is up with Ashara's "suicide" and supposed stillborn pregnancy, though may or may not be within the realms of this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Lives Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Mentioned earlier but in a less appropriate forum. The two most magical bloodlines in the series are clearly stark and targ. Has there ever been a mixing of the lines? If Jon is in fact descended from both, he will possess a unique power of ice and fire that the world has never seen. With the blood of the dragon and warging/green seer abilities of the north, a new power will be born in Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Mentioned earlier but in a less appropriate forum. The two most magical bloodlines in the series are clearly stark and targ. Has there ever been a mixing of the lines? If Jon is in fact descended from both, he will possess a unique power of ice and fire that the world has never seen. With the blood of the dragon and warging/green seer abilities of the north, a new power will be born in Jon.Closest thing would be Bloodraven, who was the result of a Stark/Blackwood union... and we know his magical ability was the strongest of everybody for almost 100 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Icefyre Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Closest thing would be Bloodraven, who was the result of a Stark/Blackwood union... and we know his magical ability was the strongest of everybody for almost 100 years...You mean Targ/Blackwood union. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxpey Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Edric Dayne is several years younger than Jon. If he was conceived at Harrenhall, he would have been almost two years older than Jon. "Milk brothers" doesn't mean that they were nursed at the same time but that they were nursed by the same woman, exactly as "brothers" mean that they were born of the same woman, not at the same time.Alfie Allen said nothing about Luke and Leia. He did mention some SW situation, which is most probably Luke being raised by his uncle in ignorance of who his parents truly were or that his father plays the role of villain in the story.Alfie Allen should have steered clear of the Star Wars analogy. As a result, people are thinking that Jon has a twin sister somewhere and that Rhaegar was really a Sith Lord. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Lives Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Closest thing would be Bloodraven, who was the result of a Stark/Blackwood union... and we know his magical ability was the strongest of everybody for almost 100 years...That's a great point but Jon's blood would surpass even BR I think. I just don't think we know what to expect from such powerful and magical ancestry. It completely makes sense that Jon's is the song of Ice and Fire. It annoys me that some think it's too obvious. GRRM himself has criticized the power of the internet in disseminating information to the masses. When the story began, a few readers might have picked up on R+L=J on their own but now thousands have had 15 years to catch up on the theory and tell their friends about it. It doesn't make it any less plausible and it doesn't mean that GRRM should change the story to avoid such an "obvious" outcome. Again, GRRM stated in an interview that he would be "lying" to his fans if he purposely deceived them because they guessed an outcome as would make all of the prior clues blatant lies. If 20 years passed between Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back, eventually there would be (A)nekin+(P)adme=(L)uke all over the internet. The clues point to it. The natural story is for Jon to be the son of the dragon and a stark. Anything else would seem disingenuous IMHO; no matter how expected that outcome is. And with that being said, Jon has a greater destiny to fulfill than being stabbed to death by a bunch of thieves and rapists in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Icefyre Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Lol, I'm probably the only female alive that can't stand Brad Pitt.I hope they look to unknown Actors for casting. It will be difficult to capture both the essence of fey unworldliness, and the type of masculinity that could actually go toe-to-toe for hours on the Trident, almost killing Robert Berantheon .I completely agree with you on this, I was just using Brad Pitt as a vague example of what is expected of Rhaegar Targaryen. I mean whether you're personally a fan of Brad or not, I think most can agree that Brad's portrayal of Achilles in Troy is considered to be Hollywood's "golden standard" in terms of a warriors physical appearance that captures both inhumane beauty and rugged masculinity that will be so crucial in casting Rhaegar. But I agree they should definitely go with an unknown actor, the viewers need to be shocked/stunned by Rhaegar, therefore the best way to cause that effect is to hire someone ppl haven't seen before....Bloom and Eva Green (who is just too creepy for me)Hahaha really? I absolutely love Eva Green, she's probably one of my favorite actresses, she was awesome in Kingdom of Heaven and even better in Casino Royale, and yes I think she's a total babe lol. :drool: I've always imagined Lyanna to be her lol..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Lives Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Hahaha really? I absolutely love Eva Green, she's probably one of my favorite actresses, she was awesome in Kingdom of Heaven and even better in Casino Royale, and yes I think she's a total babe lol. :drool: I've always imagined Lyanna to be her lol.....Eva Green is my favorite woman on earth. She is SMOKING hot. They could cast her as Victarion and I'd be fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Icefyre Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Eva Green is my favorite woman on earth. She is SMOKING hot. They could cast her as Victarion and I'd be fine with it.Hahaha yes! :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldValryia Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Since varys knows EVERYTHING and he is a Targaryen loyalist, isn't it safe to assume he knows the truth of Jon's true parentage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Icefyre Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Since varys knows EVERYTHING and he is a Targaryen loyalist, isn't it safe to assume he knows the truth of Jon's true parentage?He's probably not actually a Targaryen loyalist, if he were a true Targ loyalist he would have never tried to put Aerys and Rhaegar against each other by telling Aerys that Rhaegar was planning to use the TOH as a means to bring all the high lords of Westeros together, to attempt to unseat Aerys when it was clear to everyone in the realm including Varys that Rhaegar would have made for a much better king than the Mad king.....It's much more likely that Varys is secretly a Blackfyre loyalist thus the theory that YG/Faegon is actually a Blackfyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Stargaryen Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Mentioned earlier but in a less appropriate forum. The two most magical bloodlines in the series are clearly stark and targ. Has there ever been a mixing of the lines? If Jon is in fact descended from both, he will possess a unique power of ice and fire that the world has never seen. With the blood of the dragon and warging/green seer abilities of the north, a new power will be born in Jon.Since you're thinking along these lines, here is a thread of mine that you might like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Bloom and Eva Green (who is just too creepy for me) have never conjured up R&L, but they have dominated the R&L tumblrs. Blech.Reading the WSJ Magazine yesterday I came across this fashion spread This obviously is Lyanna-as-fashion-model, but this girl, or at least the way in which she was styled, has the wild Northern beauty 'look'. Scroll through all of the images.Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 You know, if Jon and Val do end up together, I'm going to love Ghost even more for kind of picking her for him, you know?Robb never had the approval of his direwolf, or Jeyne never liked him? (Could be confusing the book and show.) Ghost is the boss and makes sure Jon picks someone Ghost would want to snuggle up to, as well.They'd better have a lot of room where they sleep, because Ghost's going to sleep in between them. :lol:/thecutenessThere is NEVER enough room, or a bed big enough- and these are just my cats. :Dhttp://web.mail.comc...d=341441&part=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Lives Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Since you're thinking along these lines, here is a thread of mine that you might like.Fascinating post. I agree with the premise completely and the underlying facts. I simply don't believe there is enough evidence as of yet to really know what martins thinking. You had more chutzpah than I do to craft a specific theory behind many of the hidden clues. I'm not quite ready to commit however your post solidified my inherent belief that the merging of the targ bloodline with the stark bloodline is is the key to everything. It goes way beyond Ned's sister married to the heir to the iron throne. The series is fanatical about bloodlines and ancestry, more so than anyone in our world. The targsmarry each other to keep their line pure. There must always be a stark in the north. Etc. I almost wonder if the entire battle isn't so much about humans vs the others but instead humans and science vs supernatural and magic. The targs and Starks are clearly the only magical bloodlines. Any individual who has magic turns out to have a stark or targ ancestor. I wonder if the maesters and mankind will fight the Starks, targs, others, dragons, greenseers etc for the future of the world. Let the children play their game of thrones. It's a slight of hand to believe the prize is the iron throne when the prize is actually a future for man or a future for magic. The night knight married an other. Benjen stark when he was killed became an other (not a wight), and I think the magic of the wall could turn Jon into an other. Starks are not the enemies of the others. Humanity is the enemy of the others. As blood raven tells bran, darkness is not his enemy. Darkness is the enemy of man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I completely agree with you on this, I was just using Brad Pitt as a vague example of what is expected of Rhaegar Targaryen. I mean whether you're personally a fan of Brad or not, I think most can agree that Brad's portrayal of Achilles in Troy is considered to be Hollywood's "golden standard" in terms of a warriors physical appearance that captures both inhumane beauty and rugged masculinity that will be so crucial in casting Rhaegar. But I agree they should definitely go with an unknown actor, the viewers need to be shocked/stunned by Rhaegar, therefore the best way to cause that effect is to hire someone ppl haven't seen before....Hahaha really? I absolutely love Eva Green, she's probably one of my favorite actresses, she was awesome in Kingdom of Heaven and even better in Casino Royale, and yes I think she's a total babe lol. :drool: I've always imagined Lyanna to be her lol.....No, I know what you meant, and I actually enjoyed him as Achilles, but it was the actor who played his cousin that caught my eye......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alia of the knife Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Fascinating post. I agree with the premise completely and the underlying facts. I simply don't believe there is enough evidence as of yet to really know what martins thinking. You had more chutzpah than I do to craft a specific theory behind many of the hidden clues. I'm not quite ready to commit however your post solidified my inherent belief that the merging of the targ bloodline with the stark bloodline is is the key to everything. It goes way beyond Ned's sister married to the heir to the iron throne. The series is fanatical about bloodlines and ancestry, more so than anyone in our world. The targsmarry each other to keep their line pure. There must always be a stark in the north. Etc. I almost wonder if the entire battle isn't so much about humans vs the others but instead humans and science vs supernatural and magic. The targs and Starks are clearly the only magical bloodlines. Any individual who has magic turns out to have a stark or targ ancestor. I wonder if the maesters and mankind will fight the Starks, targs, others, dragons, greenseers etc for the future of the world. Let the children play their game of thrones. It's a slight of hand to believe the prize is the iron throne when the prize is actually a future for man or a future for magic. The night knight married an other. Benjen stark when he was killed became an other (not a wight), and I think the magic of the wall could turn Jon into an other. Starks are not the enemies of the others. Humanity is the enemy of the others. As blood raven tells bran, darkness is not his enemy. Darkness is the enemy of man.And if the Maesters were privy to this knowledge, then what part did they play in perhaps keeping apart, or discouraging any marriages between the Starks and Tarygaryens prior to the union of Rhaegar and Lyanna?The Targaryens didn't always have siblings to marry, and they didn't always marry the Martells. They chose from a few Houses lower in rank than the Starks.It would be interesting to know all the spouses that Eggs children married and what Houses they came from if they all married for love, and that would also include any of his daughters who might marry a High Lord as well.Going with the idea that Martin may be referencing the historical tensions between religion and the Age of Reason, then there is a good chance the Citadel managed to interfere if there were any behind-the-scenes negotiations between Rickard and Rhaegar, or jettisoned any message that Lyanna might have sent back to Winterfell to her Father, allowing the Rebellion to fester after Brandons death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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