The Dornishman's Wife Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I assume that "name day" = birthday. So do wildlings not celebrate/acknowledge the day a person is born, seeing as how children are not named until a couple of years after they are born?I assume nameday is the day of the naming. If done with a little ceremony (like a christening), it's not necessarily the same day as the day the child was born anyways. With the wildlings the discrepancy is considerable, but then I don't remember the wildlings making such a big fuss about namedays anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Jorah heard Ned Stark was coming for his head correct? Do we know if death is the usual penalty for selling people into slavery? It seems a bit harsh if he wasn't offered a chance to take the black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 We can only speculate here, since Jorah is the only slaver ever mentioned in Seven Kingdoms.But it's been stated that old gods and the new both despise slavery and view it as abomination. So, at least according to Westerosi moral norms, Jorah's punishment might have not been too harsh.On the second point, Jorah could have chosen to go to the Wall instead of exile. Once he arrived at the Wall, made a vow and became "official" NW member, Ned would leave him be. He could have voluntary taken the black to avoid death punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 We can only speculate here, since Jorah is the only slaver ever mentioned in Seven Kingdoms.But it's been stated that old gods and the new both despise slavery and view it as abomination. So, at least according to Westerosi moral norms, Jorah's punishment might have not been too harsh.On the second point, Jorah could have chosen to go to the Wall instead of exile. Once he arrived at the Wall, made a vow and became "official" NW member, Ned would leave him be. He could have voluntary taken the black to avoid death punishment.It's also the old Bear's dying wish that they let Jorah take the Black, so it was probably always a possibility, Jorah just did not want to leave his high maintenance wife at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm re-reading feast now, and one thing I find very interesting is that Cersei blames Pycelle for Tywin's stink, but Cersei actually put Qyburn in charge of preparing the body. What's up with this? I know Cersei is supposed to be unhinged but this is very early in the novel when she has yet to go as crazy as she does later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 However, stripping of lordships can apparently be done by Lords Paramount - example being Ned stripping Jorah of his lordship over Bear Island.I don't think that Ned stripped him of his lordship via a decree like a king would. He rode out to execute Jorah (or maybe send him to the wall.) It has the effect of removing him as lord but it's not the same as a King stripping someone of their lordship in asbstentia.Edit: I'm not necessarily saying that Lord's Paramount don't have the power to remove/appointt lords in their territory. But when you strip someone's lordship it normally applies to the whole family, so the Jorah situation doesn't really apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redriver Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 It says in the wiki that Joramun blew the Horn of Winter and woke giants from the earth "to fight the Night's King".I can't think of any reference in the books that this was why he did it.Can anyone spot something I might have missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shewolfofthenorth Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 We can only speculate here, since Jorah is the only slaver ever mentioned in Seven Kingdoms.But it's been stated that old gods and the new both despise slavery and view it as abomination. So, at least according to Westerosi moral norms, Jorah's punishment might have not been too harsh.On the second point, Jorah could have chosen to go to the Wall instead of exile. Once he arrived at the Wall, made a vow and became "official" NW member, Ned would leave him be. He could have voluntary taken the black to avoid death punishment.didn't Cersei say that she sold one of Roberts bastards into slavery? I thought I read something about that, I can't remember which book though possibly aFfC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 didn't Cersei say that she sold one of Roberts bastards into slavery? I thought I read something about that, I can't remember which book though possibly aFfC.Petyr Baelish speaking...“I’ve also heard whispers that Robert got a pair of twins on a serving wench at Casterly Rock, three years ago when he went west for Lord Tywin’s tourney. Cersei had the babes killed, and sold the mother to a passing slaver. Too much an affront to Lannister pride, that close to home.” AGoT p.381 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Petyr Baelish speaking...“I’ve also heard whispers that Robert got a pair of twins on a serving wench at Casterly Rock, three years ago when he went west for Lord Tywin’s tourney. Cersei had the babes killed, and sold the mother to a passing slaver. Too much an affront to Lannister pride, that close to home.” AGoT p.381Just when I thought Cers couldn't get any cuddlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 i know this is from the show, but i figured i'd put it in here anyway. it looks like right before ned's beheading, he was mouthing something. does anyone know what he might have been saying? It's literally right before the sword comes down, so about 4:35 into the video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6wfXPeJTw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Do we know with any certainty whether Drogo was intentionally harmed (allowed to have his wound fester) by MMD? I just finished re-reading that part, and it seems we are led to believe that MMD was just doing normal Lhazareen wound care, nothing out of the ordinary. Or, was there some secret stuff she put in the poultice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Do we know with any certainty whether Drogo was intentionally harmed (allowed to have his wound fester) by MMD? I just finished re-reading that part, and it seems we are led to believe that MMD was just doing normal Lhazareen wound care, nothing out of the ordinary. Or, was there some secret stuff she put in the poultice?I was just discussing this with a friend earlier today and meant to post it here in addition to my Ned question. I know this isn't a definitive answer, but I always thought she poisoned him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Do we know with any certainty whether Drogo was intentionally harmed (allowed to have his wound fester) by MMD? I just finished re-reading that part, and it seems we are led to believe that MMD was just doing normal Lhazareen wound care, nothing out of the ordinary. Or, was there some secret stuff she put in the poultice?I was just discussing this with a friend earlier today and meant to post it here in addition to my Ned question. I know this isn't a definitive answer, but I always thought she poisoned him.The books make it seem that she really did try to help and that he poisoned himself by taking opium after she tells Dany not to let him take it, but there are tons of arguments on here to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 From the official WOIAF app which GRRM approves:GRRM has us so jumpy that we suspect even the most obvious facts. He must be chuckling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm re-reading feast now, and one thing I find very interesting is that Cersei blames Pycelle for Tywin's stink, but Cersei actually put Qyburn in charge of preparing the body. What's up with this? I know Cersei is supposed to be unhinged but this is very early in the novel when she has yet to go as crazy as she does later.I suspect Qyburn as well, if anyone. He had the body first, then the silent sisters got it. However this forms the basis for a heresy known as "oberyn poisoned tywin" My second choice for an explanation is it was a symbolic literary type thing for Tywin or for Qyburn's evil Mengele touch. GRRM doesnt explain everything not even to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why kill Elia if women can't sit the throne, KL was or would soon be taken and her children and husband are all killed? Would not sparing her have been the wiser, more diplomatic answer? What claim could she have made that would have been a true threat?Tywin is thorough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Tywin is thoroughAnd the Mountain is psychotic. Sometimes I wonder if that was actually ordered or if Tywin just took advantage of a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 didn't Cersei say that she sold one of Roberts bastards into slavery? I thought I read something about that, I can't remember which book though possibly aFfC.Even if Littlefinger was reliable on that one, Cersei was probably discreet enough not to cause public scandal. It's only a crime if she gets caught. Besides, she is queen of 7K, and the only one with power to punish her isn't exactly most responsible king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Edmure Tully Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Anyone have any ideas on who the guy with filed teeth who Captained the Golden Company was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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