Inquisitor Glokta Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Hiduring my current re-read of AFFC i came across 2 errors in one of Briennes chapters and i was wondering if this is a case of Brienne being and unreliable narrator or if someone else might be to blame:"They only say those things to win your lord father's favor," the woman had said. "You'll find truth in your looking glass, not on the tongues of men."It was a harsh lesson, one that left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game.1 chapter earlier:"At Highgarden, when King Renly called his banners, some men played a game with me. Ser Hyle was one of them."So which was it, Highgarden or Harrenhal? (rhetorical question, I know it was at Highgarden)On the next page, she is talking the melee at Bitterbridge:She went to sleep dreaming of the fight they'd(Brienne and Loras) had, and of Ser Jaime fastening a rainbow cloak about her shoulders. The second one could be a hint at Brienne having a crush on Jaime, i have to admit. We know she had a thing for Renly and it was him who gave her the rainbow cloak after the melee. Her dream could be a projection of Jaime (her current crush) on Renly (her previous crush).I guess the second error is meant to be there, but I'm not sure what's up with the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommens Cat Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 i noticed this on last reread. i honestly dont see why GRRM would make this mistake its quite clear. im no editor but i found it. maybe unreliable narrator. but why would she mistake highgarden for harrenhal in her mind? i don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 but why would she mistake highgarden for harrenhal in her mind? i don't know.Her maidenhead was at stake in both of them?But Hyle Hunt wasnt in Harrenhal though, so I dont know how she placed him in both places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 This must mean that the Ser Hyle in Harrenhal was a Faceless Targaryen who wanted Brienne to give birth to Azor Ahai, or alternatively the heir to the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Glokta Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 This must mean that the Ser Hyle in Harrenhal was a Faceless Targaryen who wanted Brienne to give birth to Azor Ahai, or alternatively the heir to the throne.it could very well be, in this books I've found so far, that anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I think the first one is a mistake and the second one is intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profilebegone Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 This must mean that the Ser Hyle in Harrenhal was a Faceless Targaryen who wanted Brienne to give birth to Azor Ahai, or alternatively the heir to the throne.Don't forget he was being timewarged by Bran. Who is really Bittersteel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 The second was intentional.Brienne had been thinking about Jaime a lot. So in her dream, she replaced Renly with Jaime. She's got a crush on Jaime.Here's another:The bathhouse had been thick with the steam rising off the water, and Jaime had come walking through that mist naked as his name day, looking half a corpse and half a god. He climbed into the tub with me, she remembered, blushing. She seized a chunk of hard lye soap and scrubbed under her arms, trying to call up Renly’s face again.He used the same writing technique with Sansa, she'd start to think of or dream of someone else and replace him with Sandor (who she'd been thinking about a lot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 The first may well be a mistake, the second I see as her projecting Jaime considering how much time they spent and how her feelings may have changed in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey-A-La-Mode Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Gonna have to go with the first error being just that, an error. I'd have a hard time believing Brienne to be an unreliable narrator, considering she is basically the most honourable and knight-like character in the series. I doubt that it's the same thing as Sansa and that whole unKiss thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 "It was a harsh lesson, one that left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal, when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game."It's just a missing comma. It means that the experience she had with Ser Hyle in Highgarden helped her in Harrenhall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Glokta Posted June 29, 2013 Author Share Posted June 29, 2013 "It was a harsh lesson, one that left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal, when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game."It's just a missing comma. It means that the experience she had with Ser Hyle in Highgarden helped her in Harrenhall.She talks about being courted by men. They told her she was beautiful and so on, to gain her fathers seat. What does that have to with Harrenhal? Did Vargo Hoat court her to become the next Lord of Tarth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65536ob Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 "It was a harsh lesson, one that left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal, when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game."It's just a missing comma. It means that the experience she had with Ser Hyle in Highgarden helped her in Harrenhall.that's probably it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faydra Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 She talks about being courted by men. They told her she was beautiful and so on, to gain her fathers seat. What does that have to with Harrenhal? Did Vargo Hoat court her to become the next Lord of Tarth?I was not implying that Vargo courted her. There are other similarities, such as facing the cruelty of some men once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gentleman Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Gonna have to go with the first error being just that, an error. I'd have a hard time believing Brienne to be an unreliable narrator, considering she is basically the most honourable and knight-like character in the series. I doubt that it's the same thing as Sansa and that whole unKiss thing.I don't see how a fleeting, misremembered, unspoken detail would reflect poorly on her honor. Personally, I suspect it was just a minor error by GRRM, but the beauty of his "unreliable narrator" structure is that any minor inconsistency can be easily explained away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Taxman Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Seeing as nothing happens in her chapters we are not resorting to looking for mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Hiduring my current re-read of AFFC i came across 2 errors in one of Briennes chapters and i was wondering if this is a case of Brienne being and unreliable narrator or if someone else might be to blame:1 chapter earlier:So which was it, Highgarden or Harrenhal? (rhetorical question, I know it was at Highgarden)On the next page, she is talking the melee at Bitterbridge:The second one could be a hint at Brienne having a crush on Jaime, i have to admit. We know she had a thing for Renly and it was him who gave her the rainbow cloak after the melee. Her dream could be a projection of Jaime (her current crush) on Renly (her previous crush).I guess the second error is meant to be there, but I'm not sure what's up with the first one.My vote is:I think the first is a genuine mistake in the text.The second I think is not a mistake or inconsistency at all, but Brienne's dreams starting to warp thanks to her feelings for Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The first is clearly a mistake. It's very unlikely that she would confuse Highgarden and Harrenhal.The second one, as other people said, is a very clear clue that she has the hots for Jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 There are other Renly to Jaime segues, too, GRRM uses this technique a lot. That night she dreamed herself in Renly's tent again... And when the shadow sword sliced through the green steel gorget and the blood began to flow, she saw that the dying king was not Renly after all but Jaime Lannister, and she had failed him.She could not fight without her magic sword. Ser Jaime had given it to her. The thought of failing him as she had failed Lord Renly made her want to weep. "My sword. Please, I have to find my sword... Jaime called it Oathkeeper. Please." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Patter Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 "It was a harsh lesson, one that left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal, when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game."It's just a missing comma. It means that the experience she had with Ser Hyle in Highgarden helped her in Harrenhall.I would write it thusly for even more clarity, "It was a harsh lesson when Ser Hyle and his friends had played their game and left her weeping, but it had stood her in good stead at Harrenhal."I'm not sure how it helped her at Harrenhal, mind you, but she thinks it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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