Slayer of Lies Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I’m opening this thread to encourage discussion of the near-term involvement of the Sand Snakes in the King’s Landing, in light of “recent events” at the end of ADWD, and in expectation of upcoming events based on what we know at present. But first, some setup…Ser Robert Vs. Sandor, And Other Possible Non Sequiturs:Ser Robert Strong is “five days” from representing Cersei in the upcoming Trial by Combat (by Kevan’s timestamp). As many have suggested (and as would make me “squeeee!”), it would certainly tie some storylines together if the Faith has chosen their own pious champion, and a certain gravedigger comes out of retirement in order to finally give provide us with a long-awaited Title Bout.As discussed in other threads, should that battle happen, and Sandor defeats Gregor, Sandor can (sort of) fulfill the valonqar prophecy, and several storylines are “neatly” sewn up.For one, though, many readers believe that Sandor’s role in the series is “complete,” and that he can retire Quietly and never be heard from again.Also flying in the face of the Trial being where this rematch occurs is Maggy’s prophecy, in which it is heavily implied that Cersei will live to the see the death of her children, and further that they will each be crowned before they die (this includes Myrcella). And beyond all that, a younger, more beautiful queen is supposed to cast Cersei down and take all that she holds dear. In every imagining, this seems like a lot to happen in five days, and I simply can’t concoct a scenario in which Ser Robert Strong loses the Trial, and Cersei is euthanized.Furthermore, why build an unstoppable fighting machine if you’re not at least going to let him win his first battle by a large margin to showcase his skills? After all, you have to make Ser Robert seem unbeatable so it’s impactful to the reader when he’s finally taken down.Therein, Sandor’s questionable involvement – along with the complexity of Maggy’s prophecy – represent a couple of “mechanical” reasons why Ser Robert Strong is likely to triumph. Plus, it just doesn’t seem to me that Ser Robert’s immediate death is in the cards either.Furthermore, Cersei is the only POV King's Landing at present, so who else would provide a window into the events before, during and immediately after the Trial but her?To that end, while many opposing candidates have been put forth on other threads, discussion of Lancel and company is not exactly my intent here. Also, I think suggesting that Jaime will make it back to King's Landing before these "five days" are up is something else that seems highly unlikely. Nonethelss, it could be considered that Lady Nym may kill Ser Robert in advance of the Trial... but I still believe Cersei has to win for most or all of the reasons listed above.Lady Nym:We know a few different things about Nymeria Sand:Areo Hotah views her as deadly and notes she can conceal up to twelve daggers on her person a timeNym appeals to Doran in AFFC, not only demanding vengeance for the death of her father (Oberyn, whom Gregor killed), but seemingly desirous of exacting that vengeance herselfShe is set to arrive to King’s Landing (along with Tyene and Myrcella) very soon to take Oberyn’s seat on the counsel as “the seventh voice” (although the loss of Kevan would make her the sixth, methinks)Yes, Nym is a younger sister to Obara, but I don’t think this is important, because to “reintroduce” the valonqar prophecy for any Trial by Combat candidate puts the “five day” timeline constraint on the prophecy, and I do not think the conditions will be met in such a short windowTyene Sand:While an understanding of poison is one of Tyene’s primary “traits,” and vengeance is on her plate as well, Doran has also opted to send Tyene – disguised as a septa – to King’s Landing, specifically to “befriend” the High Septon…“Your mother was a septa. Oberyn once told me that she read to you in the cradle from the Seven-Pointed Star. I want you in King’s Landing too, but on the other hill. The Swords and the Stars have been reformed, and this new High Septon is not the puppet that the others were. Try and get close to him.”So Where Are We Now?I think Kevan’s death was really the last shoe to drop for the Lannisters, where Cersei’s death is only a matter of time… though “five days” seems quick by any measure.Meanwhile, as Doran says, “Dorne still has friends at court. Friends who tell us things we were not meant to know,” and the Nym/Tyene Sand Snake arc seems invariably tied to the Lannisters, and to vengeance for Oberyn.To that end, what I would like to determine is whether Nym and Tyene are likely to arrive before or after the Trial. Considering that the journey initiates in chapter 38 of ADWD, I think it’s possible they arrive before the Trial, but even then, “five days” may not be enough to accomplish what I was envisioning…The Hypothesis:If Nym and Tyene arrive before the Trial, they will immediately put together that Ser Robert is Gregor. As Maester Caleotte says:“The man was eight feet tall, there is not another like him in all of Westeros. If any such appears again, Cersei Lannister will be exposed as a liar before all the Seven Kingdoms.”On the flipside, Cersei will most likely blame the Dornish envoys for the loss of Myrcella’s ear…. which, even though this wasn’t directly the Sand Snakes fault, won’t make Cersei any less wroth with them.So if Nym and Tyene arrive before the Trial and recognize Gregor, I wonder if it’s also possible that Tyene appeals to the High Sparrow to “immediately” install Lady Nym to the Faith Militant (specifically the Poor Fellows) and – boom – UnGregor versus Oberyn V2.0.Also, if this scenario plays out, it allows Ser Robert Strong to show off his fighting abilities by being ineffectually stabbed no fewer than twelve times, yet ultimately brutalizing Nym and freeing Cersei in the process.Of course, the aftermath of this scenario further pits the Martells and the Lannisters against one another, and perhaps Arianne’s pursuit of “Aegon” becomes even more meaningful, in that the headstrong youth might be inclined to flex his muscles by attacking King’s Landing even sooner, and in the name of solidifying the Dornish-Targaryen alliance.Your Turn:I recognize that many people have speculated on the upcoming Trial by Combat through a variety of angles, but I specifically wanted to share the “Sand Snake Hypothesis” with you all, as well as ask:If not this scenario, then what?How will the Sand Snakes’ opening days in King’s Landing play out?Nym’s foreshadowing – in my mind – puts her almost diametrically opposed to Gregor, with the need for at least eventual payoff, if not immediate. But maybe you don’t think so.Also, what’s Tyene’s “real mission” in pursuit of the High Sparrow? Sure, it may to “conveniently” allow Tyene to install Nym to the Poor Fellows… or not. And whether she does this or not, why else is she there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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