Greyman Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Shit did I skim the peace protest kill in naked empire? Damnitt! Now I need a re-read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zadok Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 My problem with Kahlan's power and the "free will" premise, is that Kahlan's power ultimately removes free will from people who have done nothing wrong. Take the Brophy incident. Kahlan admits that she knew he was innocent, mainly because he asked to give a confession. So she used her power, knowing the consequences, and destroyed him. I ask ya, why not use your position as ultimate authority in the midlands to just say, "he's innocent, let him go." I don't buy her explanation that the judge wouldn't let her. I've not read any of the books so I can't really give you an answer here. What's unclear to me is the extent of Kahlan's/confessors powers. How does she know he is telling the truth? Is that part of her power? If it is I don't know why they just wouldn't bring someone to a confessor to determine their guilt or innocence. If it was only "Kalhan recognizing that he was a noble creature and had the spirit of a wolf" or the like then it's understandable why Kahlan wouldn't just be allowed to set someone free on a whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Stop This thread is getting way serious in talking about the "plot" and magic of SOT. WTF happened; it used to be just good old bashing Terry but now your actually discussing his books. Even if you are picking them apart the thread is getting way to close to what I might see in the actual Goodkind forum. I think we should just try to either get back to our roots (bashing his speeches and quotes) or stop for a few weeks and start bashing again once everyone has had a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranTheBuilder Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Some more good quotes in this review! Why You Should Read This We don’t think any person should. We can only echo Publisher’s Weekly: if you yearn for Goodkind (and if you yearn for him then you’re kind of a sick pervert) then buy it. But we warn you: this book is badly written, badly edited, and plagiarizes better authors. More damming than anything we have said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hark Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I defy you, Jagged! I've not read any of the books so I can't really give you an answer here. What's unclear to me is the extent of Kahlan's/confessors powers. How does she know he is telling the truth? Is that part of her power? Her power is to pussy-whip. Any man she touches will be SO pussy-whipped that he would never even think of telling a lie. The unfortunate side effect is that once pussy-whipped, always pussy-whipped, unless you get turned into an animal. Stop laughing. I am telling you the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosicus Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Jagged, we've just made our bashing a little more sophisticated, that's all. We're still saying that he sucks, but now we're giving a better basis for that assessment. It's all more scientific, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranTheBuilder Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 and this person needs to read some other books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosicus Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 and this person needs to read some other books... Wow. I'd say she needs to get laid. Really badly. It doesn't say when that review was written, but maybe she missed the ads for Phantom, since she says that Chainfire is the final book (confirmed by TG apparently). Oh well, what do you expect from "Teen Ink: Book reviews written by teens." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hark Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 "Teen Ink: Book reviews written by teens." Ever notice how TG die-hards actually write just like TG? More so in the case of teens. I've never been able to shake the feeling that Goodkind writes like I did when I was 14 and making up my own D&D modules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 The most remarkable aspect of Chainfire is its unpredictable ending. By not actually writing the happily-ever-after or tragic end, he has allowed his fans to make it end any way we see fit.I know I should not but... *wipe tears from eyes* good one Bran. Her power is to pussy-whip. Any man she touches will be SO pussy-whipped that he would never even think of telling a lie. The unfortunate side effect is that once pussy-whipped, always pussy-whipped, unless you get turned into an animal.Does it work on Richard, or does it only make his thing rise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hark Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Does it work on Richard, or does it only make his thing rise? Richard is immune to her pussy-whipping powers because he is already whipped. I am not making this up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Richard is immune to her pussy-whipping powers because he is already whipped. I am not making this up!!!Wait! Are you saying Mr Goodkind uses the words "pussy-whiped". Now I'm curious, who whipped Richard before his wife could do it? His sword? could explain the reviews saying he had it shoved deep in his ass, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranTheBuilder Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 this one caused me pain! To put it bluntly, Goodkind is a horrible author. His narrative simply stinks. His character development is non-existant. His worldbuilding is sloppy. His dialogue is painful. The most praise I can lavish on his text is that it's absolutely mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watcher Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 This time I'm actually in agreement with TG's sense of justice. Cutting off a child molestors balls and making him eat them is okay by me. This is what gets me about this passage. The guy, who was evil and did sick things, is totally under her control. So much so that he doesn’t even yell when she mutilates him. She can stop his twisted desire simply by saying so. So why the need to cut off his balls have him eat them? Goodkind keeps saying his people are ruled by reason but so far everyone’s been ruled by their emotions, except for the girl that’s into group sex. Again the only reason why her actions don’t seem as deprived as they are is because the guy is much worse then she is. The theme I’m getting from these quotes is that to fight evil, you must be evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hark Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Wait! Are you saying Mr Goodkind uses the words "pussy-whiped". No. Goodkind calls it the power of love. Now I'm curious, who whipped Richard before his wife could do it? His sword? could explain the reviews saying he had it shoved deep in his ass, I suppose. He was already smitten with Kahlan, so her power to pussy-whip him bounced off the already established feelings, rendering him immune to her power. But only Richard can pull off a love so complete, perfect and pure that a confessor's touch has no effect. You might no realise how hillarious that is if you haven't read the book, and had a chance to read Richard's thoughts, and made your own determination that Richard's feelings for Kahlan can be summed up by: "She has long hair" and "I want to bone her". ie: as in everything else, TG's insights into human nature and the world are remarkably similar to what my friends and I thought when we were horny 14 year old nerds playing D&D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanatic-Templar Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I've never been able to shake the feeling that Goodkind writes like I did when I was 14 and making up my own D&D modules. I resent that! My D&D campaigns are much better written than that! To be honest, I'd say that The Malazan Book of the Fallen is the series most ressembling D&D I have read. ( Other than Forgotten Realms and the like. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystar Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Stop This thread is getting way serious in talking about the "plot" and magic of SOT. WTF happened; it used to be just good old bashing Terry but now your actually discussing his books. Even if you are picking them apart the thread is getting way to close to what I might see in the actual Goodkind forum. I think we should just try to either get back to our roots (bashing his speeches and quotes) or stop for a few weeks and start bashing again once everyone has had a break. What, can't handle the fact that there are people who wish to discuss plot and topics that have meaning...didn't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranTheBuilder Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 this one caused me pain! lol.gif now I come to think about it, I've seen a similar review of GRRM. although they couldn't find fault with the actual writing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystar Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Some more good quotes in this review! More damming than anything we have said? ahhh yes....lol. Written by a two-bit hack wanna be. A guy who wants to be a critic yet fails miserably and can only offer up week POV trite. Yes Goodkind was truly shot down and put in HIS place... Yeh it amuses us too. This is what gets me about this passage. The guy, who was evil and did sick things, is totally under her control. So much so that he doesn’t even yell when she mutilates him. She can stop his twisted desire simply by saying so. So why the need to cut off his balls have him eat them? Goodkind keeps saying his people are ruled by reason but so far everyone’s been ruled by their emotions, except for the girl that’s into group sex. Again the only reason why her actions don’t seem as deprived as they are is because the guy is much worse then she is. The theme I’m getting from these quotes is that to fight evil, you must be evil. again that is because you can't find the point of the message... Which has not surprised me in the least. YOu peopl eare like dog's chasing your tails for lack of being able to find the bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranTheBuilder Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Mystar, I actually thought that the review was quite well thought out and reasoned (his comments about Publishers Weekly show this quite well)... he may be a little harsh in places, but still consistant with his apparent attitude to reviewing - some folk deliberately give harsh writeups to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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