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Well. It's a theory.

I am waiting for an explanation of Bran's flight in Game, when he looks into the Heart of Winter and screams. Does that bode anything "good?"

Winter/The God That Cannot be Named must have something in its/his bag of tricks. How can Martin come up with something other than the Others as the evil this late in the story line?

Martin has created a world that is more than "fifty shades of grey" i never even thought to categorize anyone and especially anything( maybe with the exception of Ramsey) as evil.There is sooo much about the past that has been shrouded in myth that to come out an say X is the greatest evil or Y is the greatest evil. I don't think it has been about introducing evil,but we the readers have interpreted evil based on the same things the characters have.

Maybe at the end of it all we like them would come to realize that the only evil is the ones we create in our minds( except for Ramsey ewww)

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I don't disagree with 50 shades of grey or evil. Jaime certainly proves that.



I am not sure there is an absolutely good person in the series. I don't think the dragons are good, per se.



Mel and the supporters of the Red God would insist he? is good. I am not certain of that at all.



Martin has stated this a story about the restoration of a dynasty. The Others have been with us from this first pages. How Craster entered an agreement with some of them or all is not answered. Cold Hands muddies the waters as well.



And I am not coming down on the idea that the Others may be necessary to balance something in this world. I would be disappointed if a new foe were to appear at the last moment. There is something that caused the Wildings to flee Soutth.



If there is not a foe, why the PWWP and AA or Lightbringer?

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I don't disagree with 50 shades of grey or evil. Jaime certainly proves that.

I am not sure there is an absolutely good person in the series. I don't think the dragons are good, per se.

Mel and the supporters of the Red God would insist he? is good. I am not certain of that at all.

Martin has stated this a story about the restoration of a dynasty. The Others have been with us from this first pages. How Craster entered an agreement with some of them or all is not answered. Cold Hands muddies the waters as well.

And I am not coming down on the idea that the Others may be necessary to balance something in this world. I would be disappointed if a new foe were to appear at the last moment. There is something that caused the Wildings to flee Soutth.

If there is not a foe, why the PWWP and AA or Lightbringer?

True,i totally don't think he would introduce anything new,except 'the cold" would have been there all along. It would have been there with the Wights as it was in the Longnight and it is there now.It the same thing though,because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.But Sam and the Annals at lease asked the right question and it evident that "the cold" brings them.

The big kicker though is whether or not it is supernatural or biological? We are given the reason why the Wildlings have begun south by Osha-Wight hordes.

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Interesting theory. I agree that we've been mislead about the WW and their motive, that they're not the evil lords they're made out to be. However, the WW do seem to--perhaps not directly--make wights, or help make them (e.g., leaving the corpse there after the prologue duel in AGoT, and leaving corpses hanging around in general). They could be slaves to the Cold, as you suggested, other perhaps it could mean there's factions within the Others and they're currently at war with one another--though that's pure speculation considering we know next to nothing about them. Regardless of whether this is true or not, I also think the WW built the Wall.


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I love it. And didn't the WW on horseback look directly at Sam and keep moving? It at least happened in the show.

I'm not sure why the show does what it does,that scene could have been for dramatic effect or it could have been a subtle indication of something else.

Interesting theory. I agree that we've been mislead about the WW and their motive, that they're not the evil lords they're made out to be. However, the WW do seem to--perhaps not directly--make wights, or help make them (e.g., leaving the corpse there after the prologue duel in AGoT, and leaving corpses hanging around in general). They could be slaves to the Cold, as you suggested, other perhaps it could mean there's factions within the Others and they're currently at war with one another--though that's pure speculation considering we know next to nothing about them. Regardless of whether this is true or not, I also think the WW built the Wall.

As to leaving the corpse of Ser Waymar behind,i mean they couldn't take him with them and they sure weren't going to wait around for him to get Wighted.That wouldn't be feasible as the Wights have a tendency to find each other an congregate en masse.

We have yet to see in 5 books any WW leading the dead in battle,to kill anyone and i've asked myself that for something that is supposed to be canon given the fact that the players are on the scene.We should be seeing that by now.Why be ambiguous about something that everyone in the books and readers swear up and down KNOW to be true.That's no mystery unless it is the quintessential unreliable narrator at work.The way people in westeros act reminds me soooo much of one of my favorite quotes from MIB 1 because its so true.

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Everything they've ever "known" has been proven to be wrong. A thousand years ago everybody knew as a fact, that the earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on it. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow(MIB,K)

Sam and Jon are the hope of the truth,maybe Bran at some point too.

This is a hypothesis based on the fact that CH's exist,and is what he is.Dead,but not Wighted,same as the horse Ser Puddles was ridding dead but very much acting like a horse and not Wighted.The both lacking that blue eyes that shine like stars-Reflective in nature like most predators and unlike the regular Wights.

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Lol...Making possible wrong associations is a human trait.You are mistakingly assuming that misplaced identification has any bearing on "the cold" theory which IS my theory.So lets not muddy things up by saying my arguments are based on whether or not people call Wights Others and Others Wights.No it's based on whether or not there is another entity involved in the resurrecting the Wights -That is the major argument.

So I have to disagree with you on that,never once have i made any arguments on what GRRM "will" do. I'm not sure where in my OP you got that from.Everything i have said has been backed up word upon word and precept upon precept and upon what has happened and is happening. If i have a guess about something i usually say i have a hunch ,a gut feeling and it should not be taken as anything other than that.

So it is not "my" reasoning ,lets get down to your statement about terminology which is the point i think your getting at so we will stick to that argument.You said that people "in the know" can tell the distinction.I agree more or less i'm saying that the blanket term is used nevertheless under circumstances that varies and that is a fact.

On the Fist when the horn blew and we were given vivid details of that exciting battle.What did the horn signify "Others" I'm i right ? Were there any Others seen at all,the entire time on the Fist by anybody( By Chett or Sam)? No! only Wights.When he wrote the letters per Mormont's request he said they were being attacked by Wights,but on the march after the Fist he spoke of not only Wights but the possibility of the Others had come he didn't even wanna think about them.But there it is the association without the visual proof,which is the again is lumping their association.

Tourmond when speaking to Jon talked "specifically" about the Others picking off some of them/those who fell behind. Jon asked him point blank "did you see them our enemy" Tourmond said no,but their always there at your heels".

This is the language i'm speaking of,the way it makes an association between Wights and WWs as being involved.That's the only point i'm getting at.No one when the Wights are attacking have seen an Other/WW there but they are saying they are responsible.If per se everyone who is of import knows WWs are synonymous with "Other" that WAS NOT the point i'm trying to make. I feel the need to emphasize this some more .The point is drawing the conclusion without any evidence that they are in a master servant relationship and all the actions by the Wights are masterminded by The WWs.I hope i've clarified what i'm getting at in the wrongful association argument i thought that quote you quoted showed what i was talking about.

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We have yet to see in 5 books any WW leading the dead in battle,to kill anyone and i've asked myself that for something that is supposed to be canon given the fact that the players are on the scene.We should be seeing

that by now.Why be ambiguous about something that everyone in the books and readers swear up and down KNOW to be true.

That is only true in your analysis. All evidence points to the Ser Puddles doing just that - leading the Wights against men. After the Battle at the Fist the NW men flee south and are followed by the wights. Everyone who falls behind dies:

But if he stopped he died. He knew that. They all knew that, the few who were left. They had been fifty when they fled the Fist, maybe more, but some had wandered off in the snow, a few wounded had bled to death... and sometimes Sam heard shouts behind him, from the rear guard, and once an awful scream.

And now Sam, Grenn and Small Paul have fallen behind and Ser Puddles shows up and kills Small Paul before being killed himself by Sam. From that it follows logically that it was Ser Puddles who killed the stragglers together with the Wights.

And there is some evidence that there were WW at the Fist, Sam is just too craven to think about them:

He was still shrieking for quarter as the wight lifted him in the air by the throat and near ripped the head off him. The dead have no mercy left in them, and the Others... no, I mustn’t think of that, don’t think, don’t remember, just walk, just walk, just walk.

What Others is he talking about if not the WW? Keep in mind this was before he slayed one.

The most logical explanation of the events is that Ser Puddles leads an army of Wights to the Fist to kill the NW's men and than leads the Wights on a hunt for the survivors.

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That is only true in your analysis. All evidence points to the Ser Puddles doing just that - leading the Wights against men. After the Battle at the Fist the NW men flee south and are followed by the wights. Everyone who falls behind dies:

But if he stopped he died. He knew that. They all knew that, the few who were left. They had been fifty when they fled the Fist, maybe more, but some had wandered off in the snow, a few wounded had bled to death... and sometimes Sam heard shouts behind him, from the rear guard, and once an awful scream.

And now Sam, Grenn and Small Paul have fallen behind and Ser Puddles shows up and kills Small Paul before being killed himself by Sam. From that it follows logically that it was Ser Puddles who killed the stragglers together with the Wights.

And there is some evidence that there were WW at the Fist, Sam is just too craven to think about them:

He was still shrieking for quarter as the wight lifted him in the air by the throat and near ripped the head off him. The dead have no mercy left in them, and the Others... no, I mustn’t think of that, don’t think, don’t remember, just walk, just walk, just walk.

What Others is he talking about if not the WW? Keep in mind this was before he slayed one.

The most logical explanation of the events is that Ser Puddles leads an army of Wights to the Fist to kill the NW's men and than leads the Wights on a hunt for the survivors.

Armstark thank you for your input, i will say context when taken in totality is everything and with that said i think the context in which you took that part if off. Before, i cited it myself i thought for sure that i found a flaw and that the WWs can at lease be put at the scene. But again that was twarted by context and the fact that Mormont's request of Sam when he was sending out the Ravens was to tell them exactly what was going on in the battle and Sam was giving vivid details to us and what he was writing to be sent off. He made no mention of WWs leading the Wights which would have been something major to mention when sending off to CB.

I will cite the relevant text later and how i took the context in "totality' of Sam his state of mind.Bear with me I'm preparing a Tailgate party for UFC Wydman vs Silva,so i'm checking in between cooking.

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I feel the need to say something and clarify a few things before we get sidetracked again.The major theory of this thread is that the WWs are not raising the dead and it is another entity that is raising the dead using the dead as host."The cold" is the ultimate skinchanger it wears man and beast in the form of the dead.I believe the WWs have a different part in this,and i've heard some amazing theories by those who give "the cold theory" credence.



1. That they themselves are controlled by "the cold" ,i honestly like this a lot though its different than what i believe they are doing.



2. That they are to keep the Wight population down by driving live humans south and herding the dead for disposal ( eating not by them) my theory



3. That they are responsible for raising the dead and using it to attack and kill humans and they are going to go pass the wall with their Wight army and kill everyone. What they plan to do with all those dead people after and what they did with them the first time around beats me( mainstream theory).



I put this up to show that while i believe "the cold" is a separate entity on it's own the role of the WWs because i've seen some pretty nice theories on that and i can see the plausible side their ,i welcome all theories NOT JUST my own as i said in the OP any info on your part i appreciate.

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Martin adds to reader confusion with vague references, ambiguity, and varied vocabularies. "Warg" versus "skinchanging" is an example of one word being used to describe both - WARG. This causes problems in analysis.



Now, a problem I have been having involves "vocabulary" - or syntax. Technically, Arya Stark reanimates a dead girl by wearing her "face", drinking from a COLD CUP, and undergoing minor surgery.



Doesn't Arya technically 'REANIMATE" A DEAD GIRL? The KM calls it face changing. Just something to think about. And if Arya can animate the dead, what about Bran?


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Martin adds to reader confusion with vague references, ambiguity, and varied vocabularies. "Warg" versus "skinchanging" is an example of one word being used to describe both - WARG. This causes problems in analysis.

Now, a problem I have been having involves "vocabulary" - or syntax. Technically, Arya Stark reanimates a dead girl by wearing her "face", drinking from a COLD CUP, and undergoing minor surgery.

Doesn't Arya technically 'REANIMATE" A DEAD GIRL? The KM calls it face changing. Just something to think about. And if Arya can animate the dead, what about Bran?

I saw this reoccurring theme as well and when we break it down to the bones.Its an attempt at the same thing."Skinchanging". We look at what the Bolton's use to do Flay their enemies and wear their skin,the faceless men,even the Dragonbond etc.All seem to have something to do with this ability "skinchanging".

To me "the cold" is doing the same thing basically skinchanging the dead.

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WOLFMAID7: Thanks for not blasting me out of the water for making such a statement about Arya. I said it elsewhere and was royally flamed.



Actually, the idea stems from all the discussion on Heresy about the WW and the wights, and who or what is controlling the wights and/or the WW.



It is evident that Coldhands is a foil to the “mindless” and voiceless wights that rise with blue pupils. My friend KBF and I have been hammering out some theories on Skype. PUPILS are not often varying in color. Yet in the Prologue of AGoT, Martin uses the word “pupil”, not lens, eye, iris, etc. when the wight rises and spots his ranging buddy down from hiding in the tree.





I do not want to mention any more about the “pupil” because it is KBF’s idea – and she is a veterinarian and has some intriguing interps about eyesight. Her train of thought may be that what the wights or WW see through their pupil is different from how the other characters see.





I sent her your thread, so I hope she has a chance to read and comment. She works every day of the week, I swear – even over nights. But she is absolutely brilliant. [Just remember the LENS sent to Cat to help THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO SEE. LITTLE WING WAS FOND OF REMINDING US OF THIS FACT IN AGOT REREAD.]



In regards to the COLD as a character with force and substance, this meshes perfectly with a theory we hammered outin Arya’s water motif thread: the Starks are associated with the OG, deities present in nature and the elements.





Each Stark will represent an element of nature. The increasing snow fall and icing at WF in Theon’s POV’s are the result of Bran who has mastered the wind – AND I believe Rickon – as wild as a winter storm – who is nearing his home, escorted by Davos or Osha and retainers from Skaggos.





Arya has been developing an ever deepening relationship with death. However, death is a means of balancing life, so death is a very necessary force in nature. We also saw Arya closely related to water, along with HR, the DG, and even the Ironborn reavers.





My commands on Westeros are not working. It has been extremely frustrating. I cannot copy and paste, adjust point size, or anything. I have been sending emails to mods and webmasters – I hope I can get it fixed.





What did you think of AtS calling my analysis “garbage”?

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WOLFMAID7: Thanks for not blasting me out of the water for making such a statement about Arya. I said it elsewhere and was royally flamed.

Actually, the idea stems from all the discussion on Heresy about the WW and the wights, and who or what is controlling the wights and/or the WW.

It is evident that Coldhands is a foil to the “mindless” and voiceless wights that rise with blue pupils. My friend KBF and I have been hammering out some theories on Skype. PUPILS are not often varying in color. Yet in the Prologue of AGoT, Martin uses the word “pupil”, not lens, eye, iris, etc. when the wight rises and spots his ranging buddy down from hiding in the tree.

I do not want to mention any more about the “pupil” because it is KBF’s idea – and she is a veterinarian and has some intriguing interps about eyesight. Her train of thought may be that what the wights or WW see through their pupil is different from how the other characters see.

I sent her your thread, so I hope she has a chance to read and comment. She works every day of the week, I swear – even over nights. But she is absolutely brilliant. [Just remember the LENS sent to Cat to help THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO SEE. LITTLE WING WAS FOND OF REMINDING US OF THIS FACT IN AGOT REREAD.]

In regards to the COLD as a character with force and substance, this meshes perfectly with a theory we hammered outin Arya’s water motif thread: the Starks are associated with the OG, deities present in nature and the elements.

Each Stark will represent an element of nature. The increasing snow fall and icing at WF in Theon’s POV’s are the result of Bran who has mastered the wind – AND I believe Rickon – as wild as a winter storm – who is nearing his home, escorted by Davos or Osha and retainers from Skaggos.

Arya has been developing an ever deepening relationship with death. However, death is a means of balancing life, so death is a very necessary force in nature. We also saw Arya closely related to water, along with HR, the DG, and even the Ironborn reavers.

My commands on Westeros are not working. It has been extremely frustrating. I cannot copy and paste, adjust point size, or anything. I have been sending emails to mods and webmasters – I hope I can get it fixed.

What did you think of AtS calling my analysis “garbage”?

I totally like the parallel,when i arrived on Heresy that was in the 30's i had suggested that each elemental is making a grab for potential GS/proxies.For me they are Bran,Arya,Jon and Dany.All of them have a strong elemental pull on them and a corresponding death motif.

I definitely think she has a part to play,but Jon's link with "the cold" is going to be pivitol.

I don't think ATS comment was directed at you personally but it was general. But his comment was messed up no matter.A female cleansing product comes to mind.

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:bowdown: :bowdown:WOLFMAID7: Yes - the COLD and Jon. KBF had a neat idea with a visual, but I am not sure I remember: Dany is fire - one side of the Folcrum - and on the opposite side is a Stark with Jon achieving BALANCE in the middle. That is, if R + L = J comes to pass. [i cannot recall which Stark is opposite Dany, or if it was the COLD because KBF shares your idea about the COLD as a character.]



I see other "earthy" entities as CHARACTERS, or as FORCES that each Stark, Snow, and Dany will be able to control to a purpose. Bran has used the 'wind' to communicate with Ned and Theon, but he no longer requires the wind to speak through the ww leaves. His powers are growing - becoming stronger as he attends BR's and the CotF's lessons. Bran transforms the visage of the heart tree in WF's godswood during the blasphemous marriage in "The Prince of WF" in ADwD. The [grey] mists affirm Bran's presence - and Martin humanizes the grey stones of WF itself, its windows eyes that the mist masks as if to spare it from the travesty taking place in front of the sacred tree that Ned says no man/woman can lie in front of without the old gods "knowing". The murder of ravens that appear at various events are also lead by either Bran or BR.



An idea I have been kicking around involves attending to Dany's visions and dreams for indicators of visitations by BR and/or Bran. [The singing dragon of her dreams may be inspired by BR - and it parallels the singing of the Stark direwolves, which we know are gifts sent by BR/old gods.]



I also think that a priority for Bran will be to locate his siblings and manage events to bring them together. I am holding onto Bran's wish that he and his surviving brothers and sisters can return to WF and live as ravens in Maester Luwin's collapsed rookery. I hope this infers that the Stark kids and Jon will return to WF, a logical final destination that would frame the entire series as compactly as Martin frames AGoT with the discovery of the direwolves and the birth of the dragons. [in human form, if possible, not as ravens!]



Hey - I posted a suggestion in Heresy. Let me know what you think. I really put myself out there, and I am sure it will be shot down. Regardless, I spoke my mind in an honest attempt to make Heresy threads more forum friendly. :cheers:

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:bowdown: :bowdown:WOLFMAID7: Yes - the COLD and Jon. KBF had a neat idea with a visual, but I am not sure I remember: Dany is fire - one side of the Folcrum - and on the opposite side is a Stark with Jon achieving BALANCE in the middle. That is, if R + L = J comes to pass. [i cannot recall which Stark is opposite Dany, or if it was the COLD because KBF shares your idea about the COLD as a character.]

I see other "earthy" entities as CHARACTERS, or as FORCES that each Stark, Snow, and Dany will be able to control to a purpose. Bran has used the 'wind' to communicate with Ned and Theon, but he no longer requires the wind to speak through the ww leaves. His powers are growing - becoming stronger as he attends BR's and the CotF's lessons. Bran transforms the visage of the heart tree in WF's godswood during the blasphemous marriage in "The Prince of WF" in ADwD. The [grey] mists affirm Bran's presence - and Martin humanizes the grey stones of WF itself, its windows eyes that the mist masks as if to spare it from the travesty taking place in front of the sacred tree that Ned says no man/woman can lie in front of without the old gods "knowing". The murder of ravens that appear at various events are also lead by either Bran or BR.

An idea I have been kicking around involves attending to Dany's visions and dreams for indicators of visitations by BR and/or Bran. [The singing dragon of her dreams may be inspired by BR - and it parallels the singing of the Stark direwolves, which we know are gifts sent by BR/old gods.]

I also think that a priority for Bran will be to locate his siblings and manage events to bring them together. I am holding onto Bran's wish that he and his surviving brothers and sisters can return to WF and live as ravens in Maester Luwin's collapsed rookery. I hope this infers that the Stark kids and Jon will return to WF, a logical final destination that would frame the entire series as compactly as Martin frames AGoT with the discovery of the direwolves and the birth of the dragons. [in human form, if possible, not as ravens!]

Hey - I posted a suggestion in Heresy. Let me know what you think. I really put myself out there, and I am sure it will be shot down. Regardless, I spoke my mind in an honest attempt to make Heresy threads more forum friendly. :cheers:

Ahh yes an elemental wheel with what we call in magic a "spirit center".I can't say how much Martin is utilizing but so far when it comes to magic and how the elemental magic is being used by him,i'd say its pretty close.Like for instance his quarter system seems more toward the Celtic whereby

Earth=South

Fire=East

Air=North

Water= West

I have found a complimentary theory when it comes to "The Cold" and Jon what i call my FrozenFire Theory but i'm not finish with it.I still have some more info for this thread to make it stronger but ohhh the time.

I read your input on Heresy good on you for that one.

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What this does is do what Martin's been doing all along: taking medival Europe and doing it up on a fanatstic scale. "The Cold" would be him tackling the Middle Age's most defining moment, The Black Death, but magical. GRRM has even replied to a question about the Others being bad guys, "Well, we'll just have to wait and see :cool4: ". However, I wonder, does Martin have enough time (two books) to flesh this out and have the Others be seen as not the real threat (its only speculation until somebody actually figure it out in the books)? Does he have it act like the plague, kill a ton of people, and have Westeros change for the better because of it? It can't just go i\on the background because the Others have been made out to be the big threat (and this is fantasy, it would be lame to have such a big thing be ignored and implied in the background).


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What this does is do what Martin's been doing all along: taking medival Europe and doing it up on a fanatstic scale. "The Cold" would be him tackling the Middle Age's most defining moment, The Black Death, but magical. GRRM has even replied to a question about the Others being bad guys, "Well, we'll just have to wait and see :cool4: ". However, I wonder, does Martin have enough time (two books) to flesh this out and have the Others be seen as not the real threat (its only speculation until somebody actually figure it out in the books)? Does he have it act like the plague, kill a ton of people, and have Westeros change for the better because of it? It can't just go i\on the background because the Others have been made out to be the big threat (and this is fantasy, it would be lame to have such a big thing be ignored and implied in the background).

Good and evil in Martin's world is definitely grey.I am not dismissing that the WWs don't kill we have seen moments of that which are subjective to say the lease.Their "job" and Westrosi understanding of them is what's at odds because we have yet to see them (5 now) acting in a way of an invading aggressive force with Wights as their weapons. Mind you how many books have we ?

As to whether or not GRRM has enough time,yes he does.Sam and Jon both are well on their way given what Jon has experienced(he actually discerns it without knowing what it is) and also Sam's experience and questioning of the situation thus far.

To another degree i'd put Mel in that boat because of what she herself has experienced though they were through her dreams. Her interpretation is very wrong i give you that but it is up to us to make sense of their bias.

Mel told Jon in ADWD that "These shapes in the snow is the doing of his doing "The Great Other" do i believe there is a Great Other? Nahhh but notice that she doesn't say WWs or anything of that nature.

More eyes on this is really appreciated guys.

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I've only read to page 2 of this thread but I want to go ahead and post before I forget what I was thinking (it just happened and I had to reread page 1....)

I'm totally on board with the "the cold is an entity" idea. I've never felt convinced that "A Song of Ice and Fire" pertains to the characters and whatever traits they embody. I think the song is on a much larger scale of things, and it's all about balance. I think man was what threw everything out of balance. There was cold, and there was warmth. There were creatures on both sides of this balance (white walkers, dragons) and those that thrived on the balance of the two elements (CotF). It's my theory that man was the virus that tipped the scales and threw everything out of alignment (seasons). Westeros now suffers from fevers and chills, and the wights are a by product of an out of balance cold...or maybe an "unchallenged" cold. I see the WW, CotF and dragons as types of faerie races, each guardians of their respective elements. Man "tamed" and corrupted dragons using sorceries and dark magic, ultimately bringing about the doom of Valyria when they threw the balance there out of whack. When they moved on to Westeros, they fought tCotF and disturbed the earth when as a result the children called down the Hammer. They encountered the cold and built the wall, throwing the cold out of balance north of the wall, where it grows unchecked...and so at some point it (the cold) will again try to spill over because it has grown in strength and there is no opposing force (fire faeries ie dragons) During the LN the children allied with men and chose to try to contain the threat by means of a barrier. I see wights as a kind of "Orc race", an unnatural melding of man and cold that has no place in the World of ice and fire. They can be related to the dead white cells that are a by product of the body (westeros) fighting the infection (the growing cold). The pus of the world, if you will. A good hot fever is the best means of fighting an infection, but we know dragons native to Westeros went extinct long before they did in essos. The immune system of Westeros is failing. Man is AIDS.

I work in the medical field. Obviously.

Also i suck at remembering the sequence of events for this series and my only knowledge of the pre ASOIAF novellas is second hand since I can't find the damn things.

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I tried to read as much of this thread as possible, but didn't get through everything. If I'm repeating what someone else has already posted, I apologize.



I never made this connection before, but with the White Walkers being associated with cold and Westeros having abnormal seasons, maybe the Others bring winter when the seasons are too out of balance. I'm certain that there will be some kind of twist that expands the White Walkers beyond one dimensional villains, so playing an integral role in the ecosystem could be part of that. The text refers to the long summer that everyone's been enjoying (possibly one of the longest the older characters can remember?), so a White Walker invasion might fit with that timing. They may be a hive mind with a singular purpose, but I doubt it's something like "destroy all humans". They have to have some kind of goal that affects the larger picture in ways that our POVs don't recognize.



I see the White Walkers as being similar to when a sun goes super nova. If you're on a planet in that solar system, the sun exploding is the end, but that super nova blasts carbon, hydrogen, etc, out into the universe and can create new life. Depending on your perspective that can be beautiful or apocalyptic.


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