assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Also helpful to remember that at least some of the Plumms probably aren't Plumms at all. Ossifer and his six-foot member and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not in the face Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 After which book was the five year gap supposed to take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrannogDweller Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 After which book was the five year gap supposed to take place? After the third one, Storm of Swords.BIG D&E SPOILERMaynard Plumm is in reality Bloodraven, so no, that one ain't a Blackfyre. :) If you're implying that he is their ancestor, I highly doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 After the third one, Storm of Swords.If you're implying that he is their ancestor, I highly doubt that.I was implying that Maynard was no relation to the Blackfyres, I really have no idea who Brown Ben is descended from. see the second post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dalbridge Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It seems that every person with mystery background has to be some very important. So I wonder if there's a theory about who is the Elder Brother of the Quiet Isle?He claims to be third son for a landed knight who fought for Rhaegar. I can't figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 It seems that every person with mystery background has to be some very important. So I wonder if there's a theory about who is the Elder Brother of the Quiet Isle?He claims to be third son for a landed knight who fought for Rhaegar. I can't figure this out.They do not have to be important, it is just people having a need to try to find out their background. As for the elder brother, one theory I remember reading is that he is a Darry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dalbridge Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 They do not have to be important, it is just people having a need to try to find out their background. As for the elder brother, one theory I remember reading is that he is a DarryJust so. Everybody don't have to be important. But Darry? I believe he said his father served a Lord who served a Lord who served a Lord who was in for Rhaegar. He can exaggerate here, but Darry is a Lordship who only serves Tully and this points to a lesser figure, more like a landed knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Olenna said she was to be wed to a Targaryen prince but stopped that before it could happen. She said later that Aerion was comely but a monster. I took that as a hint that she was offered as a bride for Aerion. But then I checked the Wiki. (Yes, I know, but I don’t have the app.) The Wiki does not list Olenna’s birth, but Mace was born in 256. That suggested to me that she was born between 230 and 240. But Aerion drank the wildfire in 232. Aegon V succeeded his father Maekar in 233. So the Targ prince had to have been one of Egg’s sons, no? Has anybody caught any clues as to which of the three (Duncan, Jaehaerys or “Unknown”)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Anybody???Is there any explanation or suggestion in the text as to how Sybelle and Tywin communicated between the fall of the Crag and the capitulation of Riverrun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Olenna said she was to be wed to a Targaryen prince but stopped that before it could happen. She said later that Aerion was comely but a monster. I took that as a hint that she was offered as a bride for Aerion. But then I checked the Wiki. (Yes, I know, but I don't have the app.) The Wiki does not list Olenna's birth, but Mace was born in 256. That suggested to me that she was born between 230 and 240. But Aerion drank the wildfire in 232. Aegon V succeeded his father Maekar in 233. So the Targ prince had to have been one of Egg's sons, no? Has anybody caught any clues as to which of the three (Duncan, Jaehaerys or "Unknown")?Well, GRRM himself admits he sucks at timelines. But I guess you can throw it on the "unknown" without conflicting with anything, since we know nothing about him, not even his name. Or it could be the Aerion's son.ETA: or it could be Duncan, since his marriage was seemingly without anyone else's consent, that would explain why the Olenna betrothal was canceledAnybody???Ravens or messenger(s), as is common in their setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Olenna said she was to be wed to a Targaryen prince but stopped that before it could happen. She said later that Aerion was comely but a monster. I took that as a hint that she was offered as a bride for Aerion. But then I checked the Wiki. (Yes, I know, but I don’t have the app.) The Wiki does not list Olenna’s birth, but Mace was born in 256. That suggested to me that she was born between 230 and 240. But Aerion drank the wildfire in 232. Aegon V succeeded his father Maekar in 233. So the Targ prince had to have been one of Egg’s sons, no? Has anybody caught any clues as to which of the three (Duncan, Jaehaerys or “Unknown”)?Is it right that all of Egg's children married for love? If so, could easily be any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Gwynhyfvar Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Olenna said she was to be wed to a Targaryen prince but stopped that before it could happen. She said later that Aerion was comely but a monster. I took that as a hint that she was offered as a bride for Aerion. But then I checked the Wiki. (Yes, I know, but I don't have the app.) The Wiki does not list Olenna's birth, but Mace was born in 256. That suggested to me that she was born between 230 and 240. But Aerion drank the wildfire in 232. Aegon V succeeded his father Maekar in 233. So the Targ prince had to have been one of Egg's sons, no? Has anybody caught any clues as to which of the three (Duncan, Jaehaerys or "Unknown")?Try this...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/87932-olennas-targaryen-prince-duncan-the-small/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Try this...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/87932-olennas-targaryen-prince-duncan-the-small/Thankss I had forgotten about that thread. It's a pretty speculative theory but sound. And I see that one of the later posters noted that GRRM promised to reveal the story of Olenna's betrothal at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Ravens or messenger(s), as is common in their settingSo you're suggesting Lady Sybell sent a raven or a messenger from Riverrun under Robb/Edmure/Blackfish to Lord Tywin at King's Landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 So you're suggesting Lady Sybell sent a raven or a messenger from Riverrun under Robb/Edmure/Blackfish to Lord Tywin at King's Landing?Raven would be hard to send because they are controlled by maesters, but messenger is perfectly possible. She has her own sworn men and friends willing work with her against Robb and it would not be that hard to find an excuse for them leaving, or even smuggling out of castle unnoticed, it is not a high-security prison after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 So you're suggesting Lady Sybell sent a raven or a messenger from Riverrun under Robb/Edmure/Blackfish to Lord Tywin at King's Landing?Actually I think the plotting was done between The Crag and King's Landing, either by ravens or riders. In addition to the point you raise, doesn't Grey Wind already not like a few of the Westerlings when they first arrive at Riverrun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Raven would be hard to send because they are controlled by maesters, but messenger is perfectly possible. She has her own sworn men and friends willing work with her against Robb and it would not be that hard to find an excuse for them leaving, or even smuggling out of castle unnoticed, it is not a high-security prison after all.Actually you might be close to the truth. Remember how Grey Wind didn't like Rolph Spicer and Cat wanted Robb to get rid of him? Well, Robb sent Rolph to escort Martyn Lannister to Forley Prester's garrison at the Golden Tooth after agreeing to exchange Martyn for Robett Glover. And who is the new Lord of Castamere? But dispatching riders from an armed camp during time of war would not be done easily. And to travel relatively safely through a warzone would require a strong escort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Gwynhyfvar Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Actually you might be close to the truth. Remember how Grey Wind didn't like Rolph Spicer and Cat wanted Robb to get rid of him? Well, Robb sent Rolph to escort Martyn Lannister to Forley Prester's garrison at the Golden Tooth after agreeing to exchange Martyn for Robett Glover. And who is the new Lord of Castamere?But dispatching riders from an armed camp during time of war would not be done easily. And to travel relatively safely through a warzone would require a strong escort.This is exactly what I was thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghjhero Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 In aCoK when Rodrik is rallying the north to take back WF from Theon, no Umbers came to his call. Why didn't they come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill2 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 How old do you think Victarion is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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