Small Questions v 10011

[The Dornishman's Wife]

i saw someone mention The Monster, figured they were talking about Mance's kid with Dalla that Gilly now has.

Yes, that was who I was talking about. By the way, I've had a look in the appendices, and there are a couple of Freys (Osmund & Hostella) and probably a Glover (Erena) missing from that previous post.

[mindchap]

Hi Experts, yesterday I was reading GoT, when I stepped onto this quote in Jon chapter:

So I was wondering: when did he come to know what happened with his sisters'wolves?

Did somebody really send a craven for such a child fight? Or did Jon use his wrag powers to know it?

Ned sent an honor guard to escort Lady's body back to Winterfell, so that likely would have made it newsworthy, no doubt the story made it back to Winterfell long before Lady did. Plus I'm sure the Wall receives more Ravens from Winterfell than anywhere else simply due to it's proximity.

[Black Wolf Smith]

Ned sent an honor guard to escort Lady's body back to Winterfell, so that likely would have made it newsworthy, no doubt the story made it back to Winterfell long before Lady did. Plus I'm sure the Wall receives more Ravens from Winterfell than anywhere else simply due to it's proximity.

Most of what Jon knows about his brothers and sisters is from the "warg network". He knows things from the wolves, that he couldn't know from anywhere else. He knows about Shaggy and the "unicorn". He knows Summer is north of the Wall. Things that he could only know from the other wolves but doesn't seem to accept that Bran and Rickon alive, because he has been told they are dead, from the word of men. He knew when Grey Wind died, before he got word from men. This isn't something that you can argue about, its pretty straightforward in the books.

[Glass Sandwhisper]

I'm new here, and I tried using the search function, so I'm sorry if this has already been asked in another thread.

How large are Daenerys's dragons at the end of ADWD? Obviously, large enough to ride, but we can ride horses and I assume they're bigger than that. Related, are Viserion and Rhaegal much smaller than Drogo, since they were locked in that dungeon pit?

[Trinton07]

I'm new here, and I tried using the search function, so I'm sorry if this has already been asked in another thread.

How large are Daenerys's dragons at the end of ADWD? Obviously, large enough to ride, but we can ride horses and I assume they're bigger than that. Related, are Viserion and Rhaegal much smaller than Drogo, since they were locked in that dungeon pit?

Hey man welcome. Might've been asked before but that's not a big deal I don't think. My impression has always been that this thread is for asking pretty much anything no matter how much it was asked before. And that's a good question besides.

Drogon was always the biggest, and it's safe to assume his size advantage has increased with the other two being trapped in the pit. In ADWD when Drogon shows up at the fighting pit and Danny goes and "tames" him or whatever, this description is given. "His wings stretched 20 feet from tip to tip." But wingspand is always much longer than the rest of the body so idk. The wandering Albatross has the biggest wingspan of any bird. it's like 8-12 feet long so like half of Drogos. but it's body is only like 3-4 ft. (this is all from wikipidea so take it with a grain of salt). but yeah if you double that length, drogon's body would be like, 8 feet in length i gusse. but like, dragons also have very long tails and necks, unlike an albatross, so those would both add some length (though i think the body is the most important factor here.) 8ft is longer than a horse right. so idk i'd say 8 feet is a realistic guess, but I'm just guessing. im not sure if his body's length has ever been stated. 8ft is decent. bigger than any person (maybe not Gregor). not huge by any means though.

The other two im not sure. There may have been a description somewhere in the books but i forget.

[Lissa Nymeros Martell]

Hey man welcome. Might've been asked before but that's not a big deal I don't think. My impression has always been that this thread is for asking pretty much anything no matter how much it was asked before. And that's a good question besides.

Drogon was always the biggest, and it's safe to assume his size advantage has increased with the other two being trapped in the pit. In ADWD when Drogon shows up at the fighting pit and Danny goes and "tames" him or whatever, this description is given. "His wings stretched 20 feet from tip to tip." But wingspand is always much longer than the rest of the body so idk. The wandering Albatross has the biggest wingspan of any bird. it's like 8-12 feet long so like half of Drogos. but it's body is only like 3-4 ft. (this is all from wikipidea so take it with a grain of salt). but yeah if you double that length, drogon's body would be like, 8 feet in length i gusse. but like, dragons also have very long tails and necks, unlike an albatross, so those would both add some length (though i think the body is the most important factor here.) 8ft is longer than a horse right. so idk i'd say 8 feet is a realistic guess, but I'm just guessing. im not sure if his body's length has ever been stated. 8ft is decent. bigger than any person (maybe not Gregor). not huge by any means though.

The other two im not sure. There may have been a description somewhere in the books but i forget.

Being the size of a horse is nothing to scoff at. Horses are kind of scary in general, to a city girl like me at least. Now, imagine a large horse with razor sharp teeth that can breathe fire and is covered in kevlar-like scales. Pair that with wings and a general grumpy disposition and baby, you got nightmare-stew.

[Trinton07]

Being the size of a horse is nothing to scoff at. Horses are kind of scary in general, to a city girl like me at least. Now, imagine a large horse with razor sharp teeth that can breathe fire and is covered in kevlar-like scales. Pair that with wings and a general grumpy disposition and baby, you got nightmare-stew.

Yeah for sure. I'm not doubting that Drogon is terrifying and pretty damn big. I more meant that he's not done growing and I think he's gonna be huge if he gets the chance to keep growing.

[Atropis the Elf]

I think he's gonna be huge if he gets the chance to keep growing.

The more the dragons eat, the bigger they get.

[Jory Cassel]

Is there any particular reason why Jeor took posession of Longclaw after Jorah fled into exile?

It seems rather pointless to me, Jeor will die with the NW either way, whereas Alysane had a son and besides, the Mormont-women are warriors as well, so the actual Lady of Bear Island seems like a more fitting choice to wield the ancestral blade of said house than a member of the Night's watch.

eta: I am aware that he was still fuelling the desperate hope that Jorah might return and join the Night's Watch, it still seems highly pointless to keep the ancestral blade of a house well away from said house and possible future lords.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Is there any particular reason why Jeor took posession of Longclaw after Jorah fled into exile?

It seems rather pointless to me, Jeor will die with the NW either way, whereas Alysane had a son and besides, the Mormont-women are warriors as well, so the actual Lady of Bear Island seems like a more fitting choice to wield the ancestral blade of said house than a member of the Night's watch.

eta: I am aware that he was still fuelling the desperate hope that Jorah might return and join the Night's Watch, it still seems highly pointless to keep the ancestral blade of a house well away from said house and possible future lords.

That would make sense for House Mormont but not so much for the plot especially if Longclaw is Jon's Lightbringer.

[Lissa Nymeros Martell]

Is there any particular reason why Jeor took posession of Longclaw after Jorah fled into exile?

It seems rather pointless to me, Jeor will die with the NW either way, whereas Alysane had a son and besides, the Mormont-women are warriors as well, so the actual Lady of Bear Island seems like a more fitting choice to wield the ancestral blade of said house than a member of the Night's watch.

eta: I am aware that he was still fuelling the desperate hope that Jorah might return and join the Night's Watch, it still seems highly pointless to keep the ancestral blade of a house well away from said house and possible future lords.

The Mormont's had carried it for 500 years, and is given to Jon Snow by Ser Jeor Mormont because his son, Ser Jorah Mormont, had brought dishonor on the house. Ser Jorah had the grace to leave the sword behind before he fled, and Jeor had forgotten about it until he found it in the ashes of his bedchamber. The fire that had killed the Wright had also damaged the sword prior to being given to Jon Snow, melting silver on the pommel and burning the crossguard and grip, and Jeor Mormont had them replaced and repaired before giving it to Jon Snow.

[Jory Cassel]

That would make sense for House Mormont but not so much for the plot especially if Longclaw is Jon's Lightbringer.

Yes, plot-wise it makes sense, other than that, not so much it seems.

The Mormont's had carried it for 500 years, and is given to Jon Snow by Ser Jeor Mormont because his son, Ser Jorah Mormont, had brought dishonor on the house. Ser Jorah had the grace to leave the sword behind before he fled, and Jeor had forgotten about it until he found it in the ashes of his bedchamber. The fire that had killed the Wright had also damaged the sword prior to being given to Jon Snow, melting silver on the pommel and burning the crossguard and grip, and Jeor Mormont had them replaced and repaired before giving it to Jon Snow.

I know how Jon got it ;) This does not adress my question at all, however.

[Lissa Nymeros Martell]

Yes, plot-wise it makes sense, other than that, not so much it seems.

I know how Jon got it ;) This does not adress my question at all, however.

I guess I don't really understand the question. Jorah returned Longclaw to Jeor because Jorah didn't have the right to keep it anymore. It was an act of honor before he fled to Essos. Joer took it back because it's an ancient priceless sword. But the disgrace of his son led him to push the sword aside. Until Jon came around when he gave Longclaw to him since he had no male heirs.

He took possession of it because it was expensive and belonged to him. I assume he didn't give it to Dacy because storywise he needed to give it to Jon.

[Ghost's Shadow]

Yes, plot-wise it makes sense, other than that, not so much it seems.

I know how Jon got it ;) This does not adress my question at all, however.

Lol, yeah, nice summary.

Jeor did not really use it after it was sent to him, if I recall correctly?

You're right. The Mormonts are also fighters, the daughters could have used it during the war but didn't, and so it seems the 'real' reason the sword is at the Wall is to be given to Jon.

Maybe the Mormonts have the tradition of only giving the sword to the males and the son was too young? After Jeor were to die, the sword should have been given to the Mormonts once more so maybe it wasn't considered a loss to the Mormonts to send it to Jeor for now?

I've got nothing, really. :lol:

[RumHam]

We don't know why Maege sent it to Jeor. Alyssane's son wasn't born yet, for the record. Maybe she just still thought of Longclaw as her brother's sword? Maybe she and Jeor never got along and she wanted to salt the wound of his son's dishonor?

There's always the crackpot that Longclaw is really Dark Sister and Mormont was taking orders from his talking bird.

[Jory Cassel]

I guess I don't really understand the question. Jorah returned Longclaw to Jeor because Jorah didn't have the right to keep it anymore. It was an act of honor before he fled to Essos. Joer took it back because it's an ancient priceless sword. But the disgrace of his son led him to push the sword aside. Until Jon came around when he gave Longclaw to him since he had no male heirs.

He took possession of it because it was expensive and belonged to him. I assume he didn't give it to Dacy because storywise he needed to give it to Jon.

Jorah left it and it was send to Jeor (I figure). Again, I have to wonder for which reasons (other than plot-wise) the sword did not stay with the actual ruler of Bear Island, and if the rule is indeed that narrow staying there until a mal Mormont (=Alysane's son) is born makes more sense to me.

Lol, yeah, nice summary.

Jeor did not really use it after it was sent to him, if I recall correctly?

You're right. The Mormonts are also fighters, the daughters could have used it during the war but didn't, and so it seems the 'real' reason the sword is at the Wall is to be given to Jon.

Maybe the Mormonts have the tradition of only giving the sword to the males and the son was too young? After Jeor were to die, the sword should have been given to the Mormonts once more so maybe it wasn't considered a loss to the Mormonts to send it to Jeor for now?

I've got nothing, really. :lol:

Nope, he apparently never used it, to the extend that he wholly forgot about it until the fire.

Yes, it probably would've been sent back, but it's really odd that he just kept it in the chambers for no particular reason, technically he was not even part of House Mormont anymore, and even if there was the rule that only males would get it, the ruler still would be the best choice to keep it, as Jeor does not wield it anyway.

(And although I like Jon having Longclaw, it bothers me to no end that Jeor gave up the ancestral valyrian weapon of his house when there were several apt fighters to wield it :frown5: )

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We don't know why Maege sent it to Jeor. Alyssane's son wasn't born yet, for the record. Maybe she just still thought of Longclaw as her brother's sword? Maybe she and Jeor never got along and she wanted to salt the wound of his son's dishonor?

There's always the crackpot that Longclaw is really Dark Sister and Mormont was taking orders from his talking bird.

Interesting scenario :-)

But I really doubt that the bolded could be true, Longclaw is a long bastard sword Jon has to carry on his back because of it's size, whereas Bloodraven carried DS on his hip, besides DS is a slender weapon, for a woman to wield it, I'm confident those two could not be mixed up.

[Trinton07]

We don't know why Maege sent it to Jeor. Alyssane's son wasn't born yet, for the record. Maybe she just still thought of Longclaw as her brother's sword? Maybe she and Jeor never got along and she wanted to salt the wound of his son's dishonor?

There's always the crackpot that Longclaw is really Dark Sister and Mormont was taking orders from his talking bird.

Yeah I mean, it was Jeor's sword at that point. LIke I'm sure Maege didn't think "this is the sword of house mormont," she thought "this is my brother's sword." Also she had to send it to Jeor as proof that his son had left it behind. Like just saying "at least he left the sword you gave him" isn't as powerful as seeing the sword himself. He might have though she was just lying to make him feel better. Honestly it makes plenty of sense why she would send it to Jeor. It was his sword, not hers. And she wanted to send it as like, a symbol of a good thing his son did, leaving the sword behind instead of taking it into exile. And when Jeor died, it would have returned to house mormont anyway, right? it's not a big deal to let Jeor keep his sword for a few years.

the more interesting question is why did Jeor give it to jon. His son had dishonored him and left, and he seemed to start thinking of Jon as a sort of son. But the sword had been with House Mormont for 500 years, and should have returned to house mormont. Valyrain steel swords seem to be a pretty big status symbol for a house to have. by giving it to Jon, he's essentially assuring the sword will stay as a part of the Night's Watch, and not return to his family when he dies.

I'm assuming here that they would have returned Longclaw to the Mormont's when Jeor died. Am I wrong to assume that?

[RumHam]

I'm assuming here that they would have returned Longclaw to the Mormont's when Jeor died. Am I wrong to assume that?

I suppose it would depend who took over as Lord Commander. I would have been the honorable thing to do but you never know.

[Queen‍‍‍‍‍‍ Alysanne‍‍™]

The previous Night King was a Stark, do any of you think if another Night King appears in the story it will be a Stark?

[Ghost's Shadow]

Since when was it 100% a Stark?