Small Questions v 10012

[RumHam]

What is the tradition for where a wedding is held in Westeros? Is it usually at the grooms castle or lands or the most convenient place for both parties?

I think it's just whatever's convenient. Brandon was going to marry Catlyen at Riverrun, Roose married Fat Walda at the Twins.

[mindchap]

Aemon mentions to Jon that his vows were tested three times:

The last time was Robert's Rebellion, the second one probably had something to do with Summerhall. What was the first time when he was a boy? Giving up a chance to be king?

He wasn't NW when he gave up being King, unless he just means his vows in general since he took two of them. I have yet to figure out the first but maybe we'll find out in D&E. Unless the first was Summerhall and the Third was RR and there's one in the middle somewhere.

I think it's just whatever's convenient. Brandon was going to marry Catlyen at Riverrun, Roose married Fat Walda at the Twins.

And Walder's older sister married at Whitewalls so it doesn't seem like there is any kind of protocol.

[RumHam]

He wasn't NW when he gave up being King, unless he just means his vows in general since he took two of them. I have yet to figure out the first but maybe we'll find out in D&E. Unless the first was Summerhall and the Third was RR and there's one in the middle somewhere.

I don't see how Aemon could be considered a boy by the time of the Summerhall fire. Egg was his younger brother and became a grandfather that very day.

[mindchap]

I don't see how Aemon could be considered a boy by the time of the Summerhall fire. Egg was his younger brother and became a grandfather that very day.

Agreed so now we just have to figure out the first. But if it's when he is a boy it had to be his Maester's Oath because he would have been thirtyish when he joined the Watch.

[Riptide]

Egg was his younger brother and became a grandfather that very day.

Actually, it's a great-grandfather.

[mindchap]

How long had it been since the last winter at the start of GoT?

My ebooks are on another machine and I'm drawing a blank.

[Jory Cassel]

How long had it been since the last winter at the start of GoT?

My ebooks are on another machine and I'm drawing a blank.

I can't supply an exact number of years, but Ned tells Arya that she has never seen a winter as she was born in the long summer, therefore it is about eight years plus x.

[Squire Dalbridge]

I can't supply an exact number of years, but Ned tells Arya that she has never seen a winter as she was born in the long summer, therefore it is about eight years plus x.

The latest summer took some 9-10 years, but I don't know when the former winter began. I believe Tyrion said he's seen three winters at 24(?) if this is of any help.

[Lost Melnibonean]

The latest summer took some 9-10 years, but I don't know when the former winter began. I believe Tyrion said he's seen three winters at 24(?) if this is of any help.

Didn't Tyrion say he saw more winters than that?

[Lykos]

mindchap,

This one came to tell us that the Conclave has met, considered the reports and measurements made by maesters all over the realm, and declared this great summer done at last. Ten years, two turns, and sixteen days it lasted, the longest summer in living memory."

Ok, so I finished my global reread and timeline, and there are several points that I cannot remove (here is my spreadsheet file with relations between dates):

Year 297

22/04/297 Dany arrives in Pentos

March

02/03/298 Prologue Waymar Royce dies

05/02/299 Prologue Cressen dies

So Ten years, two month (moon turns)?, and sixteen days at the fifth of february 299. Making it nearly nine years, just as Mormont tells Tyrion in Game.

Lost Melnibonean, yes!

"You are a young man, Tyrion," Mormont said. "How many winters have you seen?"

He shrugged. "Eight, nine. I misremember."

"And all of them short."

"As you say, my lord." He had been born in the dead of winter (274), a terrible cruel one that the maesters said had lasted near three years, but Tyrion's earliest memories were of spring.

"When I was a boy, it was said that a long summer always meant a long winter to come. This summer has lasted nine years, Tyrion, and a tenth will soon be upon us. Think on that."

So a long winter lasts probably three years. The second longest Summer is mentioned by Pycelle to the Ned, King Maekar´s summer lasted seven years and was hotter.

ETA additional info.

[RumHam]

Actually, it's a great-grandfather.

Right, I forgot about Jaehaerys like the TV show does for some reason. That would make Egg and Aemon even older, possibly even ruling out Summerhall as the test when Aemon was in his prime.

Agreed so now we just have to figure out the first. But if it's when he is a boy it had to be his Maester's Oath because he would have been thirtyish when he joined the Watch.

Yeah that's why I wasn't sure that was the first one, now I'm not even sure about the second.

[julyleo]

Is Melisandre dead, I ask because she says in her chapter she doesn't have to eat but does only for appearances sake.

[RumHam]

Is Melisandre dead, I ask because she says in her chapter she doesn't have to eat but does only for appearances sake.

I don't think she's dead. She may be older than she seems but she shows no signs of reanimation like Beric for example. If she were dead she would probably have to steer clear of the Others for fear of being wighted. I think she says something about how R'hollor sustains her.

[Slackylc]

Is Melisandre dead, I ask because she says in her chapter she doesn't have to eat but does only for appearances sake.

I don't think she's dead. She may be older than she seems but she shows no signs of reanimation like Beric for example. If she were dead she would probably have to steer clear of the Others for fear of being wighted. I think she says something about how R'hollor sustains her.

Yeah it's something like his fire is her fuel. I just take it to mean that whatever magical powers she does possess give her energy.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

Ill go again: Dont you think its a little odd and unfair donal noye is not a ser, specialy knowing bobs generosity and stannis sence of justice?

[RumHam]

Ill go again: Dont you think its a little odd and unfair donal noye is not a ser, specialy knowing bobs generosity and stannis sence of justice?

Well we don't know anything about how Robert and Stannis viewed Noye. He forged weapons for them, but that doesn't mean they were especially close. Maybe Noye would have been knighted after the war, but the loss of his arm prevented it.

[The Dornishman's Wife]

Well we don't know anything about how Robert and Stannis viewed Noye. He forged weapons for them, but that doesn't mean they were especially close. Maybe Noye would have been knighted after the war, but the loss of his arm prevented it.

That seems very likely. Knighthood isn't just an honour, it's also a warrior tradition and not frivolously bestowed upon those who cannot fight just as a way of throwing them a bone. IIRC Willas (the lame Tyrell) isn't knighted either, and not because noone likes him, but because it would feel silly at best and mocking at worst to knight a cripple.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

That seems very likely. Knighthood isn't just an honour, it's also a warrior tradition and not frivolously bestowed upon those who cannot fight just as a way of throwing them a bone. IIRC Willas (the lame Tyrell) isn't knighted either, and not because noone likes him, but because it would feel silly at best and mocking at worst to knight a cripple.

uhm. Thats an interesting answer!

[Bob Sacamano]

Well we don't know anything about how Robert and Stannis viewed Noye. He forged weapons for them, but that doesn't mean they were especially close. Maybe Noye would have been knighted after the war, but the loss of his arm prevented it.

Stannis:

"Noye made my first sword for me, and Robert’s warhammer as well. Had the god seen fit to spare him, he would have made a better Lord Commander for your order than any of these fools who are squabbling over it now."

Seems like he had a very high opinion of the man

[mankytoes]

Only fighters are knighted, right? He could be the best blacksmith or cook or trader in history, but that doesn't make him a knight.