Small Questions v 10012

[Jossy]

Can you post the quote where Ned remarks about ornamentation? Cause I recall his comment suggesting the opposite.

Jory draped Ned's cloak across his shoulders and clasped it at the throat with the Hand's badge of office. "The armorer lives above his shop, in a large house at the top of the Street of Steel. Alyn knows the way, my lord."

Ned nodded. "The gods help this potboy if he's sent me off haring after shadows." It was a slim enough staff to lean on, but the Jon Arryn that Ned Stark had known was not one to wear jeweled and silvered plate. Steel was steel; it was meant for protection, not ornament. He might have changed his views, to be sure. He would scarcely have been the first man who came to look on things differently after a few years at court . . . but the change was marked enough to make Ned wonder.

Though The Dornishman's reply makes a lot of sense, now that i actually think about it. Sometimes when I reread I forget that Ned isn't exactly the brightest person in Westeros :I

[Lost Melnibonean]

Though The Dornishman's reply makes a lot of sense, now that i actually think about it. Sometimes when I reread I forget that Ned isn't exactly the brightest person in Westeros :I

But you see what I mean--Ned wa saying the armor was fancier than Jon's usual taste.

[Morienthar]

Thanks, and i hope you're right, but what gives you the notion of those two families? Wouldnt both be considered great powers and not be (politically) pointless marriages? Any idea on when we might see another D&E?

GRRM said that the current Lannisters have a surprising Targ ancestor and I think,It's more likely they aren't related by blood otherwise Tywin would have used it to take the Throne himself.So it could be by marriage.

As for when we could see it,Egg is like 11 now,so I think in the 7 or 8th book we could see him getting married and Jaehaerys II's wife may crop up in the world book.

[Squire Dalbridge]

GRRM said that the current Lannisters have a surprising Targ ancestor and I think,It's more likely they aren't related by blood otherwise Tywin would have used it to take the Throne himself.So it could be by marriage.

Or it's not Tywin who has a Targ ancestor...

What do the native English speakers say, can you use the word ancestor if we're talking about the father of currently living persons? (If we don't want to give away too much.)

And where does this citation come from, anyway?

[thenedstark]

What's the deal with guest gift? Does giving your guest a gift end their guest right? I ask because Wyman repeatedly emphasizes giving the Freys palfreys as a guest gift. Is this evidence that he has now not violated their guest right by having them whacked and cooked in a pie?

[Ser Creighton]

GRRM said that the current Lannisters have a surprising Targ ancestor and I think,It's more likely they aren't related by blood otherwise Tywin would have used it to take the Throne himself.So it could be by marriage.

As for when we could see it,Egg is like 11 now,so I think in the 7 or 8th book we could see him getting married and Jaehaerys II's wife may crop up in the world book.

There could be a clue to the Lannisters having Targ blood in Kings. Chatya's Brothel. We learn that Tywin is full BS about prostitutes later in the series but it is speculated that the secret passage at the Brothel was built by Tywin. Now if you go in the Brothel you will find a girl named Marei who is mentioned multiple times in Kings and Swords she has silver hair pale skin and green eyes, she can also read which more than the other Prostitutes can do. Tywin taught Jaime, Tyrion is an avid reader, Targ blood lines (silver hair) and Lannister eyes. They also went out of her way to mention these things about her and gave very good description of her. I think we will see her again and be on the look out for Tywin's bastards cause she may not be the only one. Well if she is, which I have a feeling she is.

[Ser Creighton]

What's the deal with guest gift? Does giving your guest a gift end their guest right? I ask because Wyman repeatedly emphasizes giving the Freys palfreys as a guest gift. Is this evidence that he has now not violated their guest right by having them whacked and cooked in a pie?

It emphasizes they are leaving, so no longer under guest rights, and the word gift has a dubious meaning there. He is giving them a gift alright, the eternal release.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

What's the deal with guest gift? Does giving your guest a gift end their guest right? I ask because Wyman repeatedly emphasizes giving the Freys palfreys as a guest gift. Is this evidence that he has now not violated their guest right by having them whacked and cooked in a pie?

That's exactly what it means. Giving a guest gift when the guest leaves demonstrates that the host-guest compact has ended. So when Manderly gave the Freys the horses, they were no longer under his protection and he was free to kill them.

[thenedstark]

Who could be the next grand Maester now that Pycelle has bought it? Qyburn? The citadel has to choose someone right?

[Lady Gwynhyfvar]

Who could be the next grand Maester now that Pycelle has bought it? Qyburn? The citadel has to choose someone right?

The Conclave of the Citadel will choose someone, though it won't be Qyburn as he is no longer a maester.

[TheButcherCrow]

Officially only a conclave can make or unmake a GM, however the following exchange between Varys & Tyrion shows us this is not always the way things are done:

“My noble father labors so diligently that I scarce see him anymore. Tell me, is it true that he’s restoring Grand Maester Pycelle to the small council?”

“It is, my lord.”

“Do I have my sweet sister to thank for that?” Pycelle had been his sister’s creature; Tyrion had stripped the man of office, beard, and dignity, and flung him down into a black cell.

“Not at all, my lord. Thank the archmaesters of Oldtown, those who wished to insist on Pycelle’s restoration on the grounds that only the Conclave may make or unmake a Grand Maester.”

Bloody fools, thought Tyrion. “I seem to recall that Maegor the Cruel’s headsman unmade three with his axe.”

“Quite true,” Varys said. “And the second Aegon fed Grand Maester Gerardys to his dragon.”

“Alas, I am quite dragonless. I suppose I could have dipped Pycelle in wildfire and set him ablaze. Would the Citadel have preferred that?”

“Well, it would have been more in keeping with tradition.” The eunuch tittered. “Thankfully, wiser heads prevailed, and the Conclave accepted the fact of Pycelle’s dismissal and set about choosing his successor. After giving due consideration to Maester Turquin the cordwainer’s son and Maester Erreck the hedge knight’s bastard, and thereby demonstrating to their own satisfaction that ability counts for more than birth in their order, the Conclave was on the verge of sending us Maester Gormon, a Tyrell of Highgarden. When I told your lord father, he acted at once.”

The Conclave met in Oldtown behind closed doors, Tyrion knew; its deliberations were supposedly a secret. So Varys has little birds in the Citadel too. “I see. So my father decided to nip the rose before it bloomed.” He had to chuckle. “Pycelle is a toad. But better a Lannister toad than a Tyrell toad, no?”

Politics my dear Ned, all bloody politics. As to our next Grand Maester, that Tyrell, Maester Gormon, sounds like a decent each ways bet.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Officially only a conclave can make or unmake a GM, however the following exchange between Varys & Tyrion shows us this is not always the way things are done:

Politics my dear Ned, all bloody politics. As to our next Grand Maester, that Tyrell, Maester Gormon, sounds like a decent each ways bet.

Ironically the Conclave got their way in the example you cited. The gray sheep know how to play the game.

[not in the face]

I am at Landed Knight right now so what are the perks of being a Noble on this board?

[RumHam]

I am at Landed Knight right now so what are the perks of being a Noble on this board?

I don't think there are really any perks, but once you hit 700 posts you can change your little title to whatever you want.

[Noruego]

So we hear about the Targs marrying inwards in the family. Why were Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys not attempted to be married in some fashion?

[RumHam]

Not all Targaryen marriages were incestuous. The most recent incestuous Targaryen marriage was done because of a prophecy and not to preserve the bloodline or anything. That having been said We know Aerys searched for a Valyrian bride for Rhaegar to no avail, eventually choosing someone with at least some degree of Targaryen blood. I think Viserys or Dany mentions that if Dany had been born sooner she might have become Rhaegar's wife.

[Slackylc]

So we hear about the Targs marrying inwards in the family. Why were Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys not attempted to be married in some fashion?

With Rhaegar there wasn't anyone to marry him to. Dany said if she had been born in place of Viserys then she could've married him.

Also Dany said she grew up thinking she would marry Viserys. Marrying her to Drogo was gave them a chance of getting back to Westeros with an army, so it was the logical thing to do.

ETA: Ninja'd!

[Noruego]

Not all Targaryen marriages were incestuous. The most recent incestuous Targaryen marriage was done because of a prophecy and not to preserve the bloodline or anything. That having been said We know Aerys searched for a Valyrian bride for Rhaegar to no avail, eventually choosing someone with at least some degree of Targaryen blood. I think Viserys or Dany mentions that if Dany had been born sooner she might have become Rhaegar's wife.

Ok cool, any reason Viserys and Daenerys didn't end up getting married? (P.s. I love your username :) )

[RumHam]

Ok cool, any reason Viserys and Daenerys didn't end up getting married? (P.s. I love your username :) )

Well by the time she was born the family was out of power and looking to stage a comeback. Darry and others arranged for Viserys to wed Arianne Martell, so obviously he couldn't marry Dany. Of course Viserys didn't know this and still probably told Dany they would be married in Westeros one day and she would reign as queen once he had won back their kingdom.

[Black Wolf Smith]

GRRM said that the current Lannisters have a surprising Targ ancestor and I think,It's more likely they aren't related by blood otherwise Tywin would have used it to take the Throne himself.So it could be by marriage.

Um, What? When? Where? got a link?

There could be a clue to the Lannisters having Targ blood in Kings. Chatya's Brothel. We learn that Tywin is full BS about prostitutes later in the series but it is speculated that the secret passage at the Brothel was built by Tywin. Now if you go in the Brothel you will find a girl named Marei who is mentioned multiple times in Kings and Swords she has silver hair pale skin and green eyes, she can also read which more than the other Prostitutes can do. Tywin taught Jaime, Tyrion is an avid reader, Targ blood lines (silver hair) and Lannister eyes. They also went out of her way to mention these things about her and gave very good description of her. I think we will see her again and be on the look out for Tywin's bastards cause she may not be the only one. Well if she is, which I have a feeling she is.

The problem that Tywin always had, was how it looked. Remember his father had made the Lannisters laughing stock, as had the "whore" that wore his mothers jewels, and acted like she owned CR. He never cared about Tyrion having whores, it was that everybody knew he about. He punishes Tyrion for having broken the golden rule* by going to Chatya's Brothel, which is funny because Tyrion was using that as a cover for Shae.

The golden rule being don't embarrass the name Lannister and really don't do it at KL.