Nucky Thompson Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 When Daenerys lands in Westeros, wouldn't the derogatory term 'The Late Walder Frey' become somewhat trendy? He could claim that his reluctance to follow his liege lord in battle was because deep down Lord Walder was actually an astute Targaryen supporter and he didn't fight for Rhaegar only because the Tullys would crush him with all their other bannermen. He would make up some story about the Mad King's grandfather and Daenerys would be listening intently if only to learn something more about her predecessors. Moreover, Frey's latest mischiefs could also be attributed to his latent Targaryen loyalty - when he heard about dragons being hatched, he remembered who the true monarch was and butchered every "Usurper's dog" he could get his hands on. That's how the story would go, at least. And with Daenerys' lack of intelligence and outright insanity at times, she could definitely buy such a story. Walder Frey for Hand of the Queen? Once the narrative goes along those lines, it's not unlikely that Roose Bolton might borrow a page from that book and claim that he, too, was actually preparing the realm for a Targaryen restoration and that's why he had his bastard sack Winterfell and had otherwise decimated the Stark loyalists (as is the case with Duskendale). There would be the little problem with his son mutilating the heir-apparent to Daenerys' new friends, the Ironborn, but Victarion is too dull to really make an objection. Sounds probable, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmmaoftheCanals Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 When Daenerys lands in Westeros, ... <snip>Even if he's still alive by then (Dany is not arriving in Westeros anytime soon I think), I doubt he can pull it off. I doubt he can shake off his creepy-ness enough for Dany to trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Fire Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 As soon as Dany learns about the Red Wedding, I doubt she'll trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Walder Frey is going to be a big supporter of whom ever he thinks is going to win, but only when he is sure the war is going their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Furthermore, old Lord Walder is in search of a new young bride, as was pointed out all too well in the show... His Grace, Walder, the first of his name, King-Consort of the Seven Kingdoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Endrew Tarth Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I also am doubtful that Lord Walder Frey will be around to see Danaerys land in Westeros. I take the "Rat's Cook" tale as proof that breaking guest right is a sure fire way to bring down the wrath of the gods upon one's self. Hence Lady Stoneheart, though I have a feeling that Lord Walder will meet a worse fate than hanging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty-El Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Cersei is one of the only characters left that's dumb enough to trust him. If anyone ends up getting Wader's unique brand if hospitality I'm betting it's her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Furthermore, old Lord Walder is in search of a new young bride, as was pointed out all too well in the show... His Grace, Walder, the first of his name, King-Consort of the Seven Kingdoms?I think even Daenerys knows how to pick better consorts than this. Although to be fair if there is any man in the story who is capable of getting her pregnant and breaking Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy it's Walder Frey, who can "field an army out of his breeches". The guy could probably impregnate the Wall if he wanted to.Besides, even if Dany wanted to her advisers would remind her that shacking up someone who broke guest right so egregiously and is so despised by the Seven Kingdoms would only cost her other, better, truer allies in the short-run. Even Cersei felt the need to launch a few token prosecutions of Freys at some point even though their main crime was killing her enemies for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brut Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Well put, Mad Monkey. Especially the impregnation part. :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Net-Viper X Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I doubt that Lord shitheel will live long enough to forge any new alliances with her, but on the other hand I do think that Dany has poor enough tastes to shack up with the guy if he is still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbc Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I also am doubtful that Lord Walder Frey will be around to see Danaerys land in Westeros. I take the "Rat's Cook" tale as proof that breaking guest right is a sure fire way to bring down the wrath of the gods upon one's self. Hence Lady Stoneheart, though I have a feeling that Lord Walder will meet a worse fate than hanging.The Frey's are screwed. Something major will happen at Riverrun in TWoW, the Freys in the North should make it easier for themselves and kill themselves before somebody else does, the Brotherhood and Stoneheart seem grumpier than ever, and there are still Stark loyalists at Greywater watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Rayne Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 As soon as Dany learns about the Red Wedding, I doubt she'll trust him.Why would she object to someone killing the Usurper's dogs with their cold eyes and frozen hearts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkan12 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 They are not Targaryen loyalist. They are just sneaky shits looking for who is going to win. If Rhaegar defeats, they become their, but Robert won and they join the winner side.House Darry was targaryen loyalist from Riverlands. And they fought against Tullys...As soon as Dany learns about the Red Wedding, I doubt she'll trust him. I'm not sure, she is stupid little girl, she may thanks to him for killing another 'usurper dog' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Why would she object to someone killing the Usurper's dogs with their cold eyes and frozen hearts?Why would she object to partnering with someone who will instantly turn half the Realm against her? Gee, she may be only a young girl who knows little of the ways of war but give her some credit here. If Dany does eventually make it to Westeros, people like the Martells and the Tyrells will be at the top of her list of people to get at; the Freys won't be, especially if their only virtue is cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Furthermore, old Lord Walder is in search of a new young bride, as was pointed out all too well in the show... His Grace, Walder, the first of his name, King-Consort of the Seven Kingdoms?I pretty much hate her at this point, and even I think that would be cruel.I also am doubtful that Lord Walder Frey will be around to see Danaerys land in Westeros. I take the "Rat's Cook" tale as proof that breaking guest right is a sure fire way to bring down the wrath of the gods upon one's self. Hence Lady Stoneheart, though I have a feeling that Lord Walder will meet a worse fate than hanging.Lord Walder Frey will live till the very end of the books, his sons, and heirs not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share Posted September 7, 2013 Then again, for all the hatred Walder gets, I think that GRRM will surprise us and have him do something positive for a change... The part with a Targaryen restoration might seem just like the way to escape half the realm's vengeance, but in trying to get to Daenerys' good side, he might actually command an honourable deed - something like attacking the Lannisters in the back, which would leave the Starks somewhat confused when it comes to avenging the Red Wedding...PS: Back at Essos, Tyrion passes near a bridge where Greyscale is rampant. Could the Freys' Crossing become its equivalent in Westeros? Lord Walder remaining alive quite a lot longer but being stricken with the plague that is Greyscale, roaming between his two towers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I don't think Walder Frey is Dany's type.If there any Freys left by the time she arrives, throwing in their lot with her may be the best option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Furthermore, old Lord Walder is in search of a new young bride, as was pointed out all too well in the show... His Grace, Walder, the first of his name, King-Consort of the Seven Kingdoms?Imagine how Martin would describe their wedding night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Imagine how Martin would describe their wedding night.Ramsey's would seem rather boring and romantic in comparison, methinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Ramsey's would seem rather boring and romantic in comparison, methinks..."Dany wanted to cry, as she watched his thin, spotted, tower slowly emerge from the forest of grey hair between his thighs. ". "This is the price of the Iron Throne", she told herself, steeling herself for the night of horror that was about to follow." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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