bloodsteel bitterraven Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Qyburn is a disgraced former Maester who was forced to join a group with a horrible reputation such as the Bloody Mummers. Healing Jaime gave him the opportunity to meet Cersei and he finally had a very powerful supporter and ally. I think we can all agree that morality isn't really something Qyburn is known for so despite Cersei being the reason he has power, does anyone think he could betray her if he realizes that she is powerless?In order for him to do that he would have to be 100% certain that Cersei is done and that being associated to her actually damages his reputation. Finding another "sponsor" might also help. The question is who would be interested in using Qyburn's methods?So, does anyone else agree that Qyburn could betray Cersei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 His loyalist is just for himself, he won't be ally with Cersei forever, I have my doubts if Ser Robert Strong will really help her when the trial comes, but I think he will win and Cersei will be spared, but Qyburn is just using her so he can do his dark experiments, he has a dungeon where he can do her stuff at his will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Of course he would. And despite the rejection Robert Strong would cause, if revealed, I'd think he would have a huge line of customers waiting for their own versions of undead knights.Arguably, he might have betrayed Cersei already when he told her about the Tyrell coin in the dungeons, which might or might not have been there and we know it wasn't related to Tywin's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 I am pretty sure the Tyrell throat was placed there by Varys who wants the Lannisters and the Tyrells at each other's throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welease Woger Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Unscrupulous people are a valuable asset in Westeros, so he could be useful for lots of people. Who could ever need such depraved creations as his own version of Frankenstein's monster? But I think we are already approaching the End Game. Cersei will have her destine decided in a trial by combat and her champion will either win or lose. I have no idea what he will do later, but I think he won't have time to do much, since soon King's Landing might be stormed either by (f)Aegon or zombies from beyond the wall or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolivar Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 OP hit the nail on the head, only if he finds another patron. The court at KL can be cruel but I think few would give him free reign quite like Cersei did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrell19 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 might be a little off topic but in regards to whose loyal to cersei I always assumed Qyburn is loyal as opposed to taena who just so happened to tell cersei, olenna kept old reach coins in her wheelhouse, increasing cerseis paranoia to a whole new level. I believe taena is clearly in league with varys (her husband was also in exile I believe and we know varys and illyrio have been keeping track of all the targ loyalists in exile) where as Qyburn is essentially just a bloody mummer who took advantage of the queens mental state to get her to allow his experiments and grant him power. whatever varys' little birds feed qyburn are just what varys wants the queen to know to increase her paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 When Qyburn first latched on to Cersei, I was sure he was working for Varys. I mean, he got in touch with all these Varys' former spies and contacts suspiciously fast.But then I thought GRRM was downplaying Varys in purpose. Like even Cersei thinks Varys wasn't that impressive because Qyburn could get the same shit done. Wrong. I think the Dance epilogue was to show us, among other things, that Varys is the real deal, while Qyburn, as others have said, it's just an opprtunistic psychopant that would join whoever suits him. The thing is, I don't think the Tyrells would want anything to do with Cersei's pet, so I think Qyburn will be just colateral damage of Cersei's downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The seed is strong Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think Qyburn is only loyal to Qyburn. If it suits him he will absolutely betray Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Qyburn's an enigma. He's remained remarkably loyal to Cersei (apparently) when there's no need to do so.Possibly, he just thinks she could take him down with her, by revealing their joint crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phonzadellika Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I sort of hope she ends up on his table.But yea, he'll turn on her when he has to but there's no reason for him to do so just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboJed Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 But then I thought GRRM was downplaying Varys in purpose. Like even Cersei thinks Varys wasn't that impressive because Qyburn could get the same shit done. Wrong. I think the Dance epilogue was to show us, among other things, that Varys is the real deal, while Qyburn, as others have said, it's just an opprtunistic psychopant that would join whoever suits him.In deed. I suspect that Varys's little birds only tell Qyburn what Varys wants him to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 In deed. I suspect that Varys's little birds only tell Qyburn what Varys wants him to hear.Exactly, Varys was playing Qyburn like a fiddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin the Mighty Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 In deed. I suspect that Varys's little birds only tell Qyburn what Varys wants him to hear.Oh yeah, it is so funny:)))Well Cercei is going down fast and the only people in westeros that would employ qyburn are ramsay and joncon ( maybe, he wants to get reed of the disease by any means necessary, if Qyburn notices that he can play it really easy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison of Tarth Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Naive as I was on my initial read through, I never even considered that Varys was still controlling his birds, and through them Qyburn and Cercei. I love that thought though.Qyburn is up there on the sinister-o-meter with Ramsay. I would actually love to see Cercei come to her senses before the end and out him or kill him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Isobel Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Exactly, Varys was playing Qyburn like a fiddle.It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand old duke of stark Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Where can he go? Who would take him? How can he avoid being destroyed? I think he'll stick with Cersei till she turns on him or she is utterly cast down. And then he might try to sneak off into some kind of refuge with other amorally experiemental types, like the Alchemists Guild or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrogo Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I totally think he would. Qyburn gives me the creeps. I can't believe Cersei trusts him at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I hope notWhen Qyburn first latched on to Cersei, I was sure he was working for Varys. I mean, he got in touch with all these Varys' former spies and contacts suspiciously fast.But then I thought GRRM was downplaying Varys in purpose. Like even Cersei thinks Varys wasn't that impressive because Qyburn could get the same shit done. Wrong. I think the Dance epilogue was to show us, among other things, that Varys is the real deal, while Qyburn, as others have said, it's just an opprtunistic psychopant that would join whoever suits him.The thing is, I don't think the Tyrells would want anything to do with Cersei's pet, so I think Qyburn will be just colateral damage of Cersei's downfall. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Qyburn derives his power from Cersei. If she falls, he falls. As soon as she was imprisoned he was kicked off the council. No one wants anything to do with the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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