Bakker - "You worship suffering."

[sologdin]

Again the thin, tiny smile. "You worship suffering. Why do you think?"

locke, can you find the "addicted to atrocity" bit? (my editions are paper and therefore imperfectly searchable.). that bit probably ties back nicely to worship of suffering.

as to the addiction, which as i recall it referred to the non-men & their memory problems, i note this passage from delillo's white nose in connection with same:

we were otherwise silent, watching houses slide into the ocean, whole villages crackle and ignite in a mass of advancing lava. Every disaster made us wish for more, for something bigger, grander, more sweeping

(loc. cit. at 64), explained as:

because we're suffering from brain fade. We need an occasional catastrophe to break up the incessant bombardment of information

(loc. cit. at 66).

so, to revise my earlier musing about the cunuroi as swift's struldbruggs passed through the bowel of tolkien's elves: the atrocity addiction is very much the baudrillardian lament about radical semiurgical overload present in delillo, but added as supplemental to struldbrugg-noldor, or so.

aye?

[Callan S.]

But Aurang is mocking him right? Aurax I could see genuinely not understanding the difference, but Aurang seems like he's assimilated enough to know.

A thin, tiny smile...

To know, you say?

What of knowing of a knowing? A knowing that eclipses the frame of another knowing?

What then of the eclipsed?

Mockery and emperic observation seem one and the same at that point.

But I think the bird comes on her stomach. Which actually makes sense, because you think an Inchie is going to pull out right before orgasm?

Given how much porno focuses on this, yep, it makes sense.

[Callan S.]

Perhaps Aurang and Aurax could carry a coconut between them with a string?

Also, what would banging half a coconut sound like? :P

Alot of grunting and moaning, I'd imagine...

What?

[Borque]

That's a problem?

Definitely not for me. Might be for the 98% or so of the human race who doesn't share that sentiment, and is certainly part of the reason for his relative lack of mainstream appeal.

Holy shit - Incariol. The founder of the Nil-giccassari. Good to see you, man.

Good to see you too :)

I'm a very sporadic visitor to these boards, but I do drop by now and then.

[Sci-2]

The Four Goads (at the Crossroads)

So I finished the first draft of The Unholy Consult 3:14 pm, yesterday afternoon. Things are feeling kinda surreal – it’s been a helluva long haul, man! There’s still a tremendous amount of work to be done. I have exhaustive rewrites planned for a couple of the plot-lines – about a quarter of the book all told. But for whatever reason I became insanely meticulous fleshing out the master plot, and even though it remains uber-generic all the way down, I’m pretty sure nothing like it has been written before. Whether that’s a good or bad thing, I don’t know. The best I can do is take it to the limit of my abilities and nothing more....

[sologdin]

Attack of the Femtards

stay classy!

[Francis Buck]

I don't understand what the "uber-generic" line means?

[Sci-2]

stay classy!

Yeah, that's another nail in his book sales with women [coffin] for sure.

[sologdin]

I don't understand what the "uber-generic" line means?

outlined it with reference to pages on tvtropes?

[Happy Ent]

Good news indeed! Hobbit trailer and this!

[Francis Buck]

Lol, I didn't even notice the femtards comment. The dude really brings it upon himself.

[Galbrod]

I don't understand what the "uber-generic" line means?

I would speculate that Bakker will continue to draw from "uber-generic" traditional fantasy (Tolkien) themes/settings for the main plotline, but that Bakker's unique spin of these themes will result in a composition like nothing seen before...

[Castel]

Yeah, that's another nail in his book sales with women [coffin] for sure.

Sarcasm Sci? I thought blog shit was small potatoes? :|

[Sci-2]

Sarcasm Sci? I thought blog shit was small potatoes? :|

Yeah, good point. Just had a bad feeling about this latest salvo from Bakker.

But then, thinking it over, I don't think anyone's gonna catch wind of this shit as Bakker is yesterday's news. Perhaps what he's really losing with his childish antics is the chance to make inroads with new readers? So it's a question of opportunity cost?

[Castel]

Yeah, good point. Just had a bad feeling about this latest salvo from Bakker.

But then, thinking it over, I don't think anyone's gonna catch wind of this shit as Bakker is yesterday's news. Perhaps what he's really losing with his childish antics is the chance to make inroads with new readers? So it's a question of opportunity cost?

It's definitely something easier to paint him negatively with. With all of the other shit, he was arguing, here?

I don't know how much it would affect new readers tbh, for that to happen it has to be picked up by someone and as you said it's not on anyone's radar. Who wants to make an online post talking about a single insult from an author they engaged a few years ago?

Basically, at this point, if you're going to be turned off by Bakker's online presence you have enough reason to do so long before you reach this little incident.

[Sci-2]

Heh, if nothing else it ups the stakes for TUC to be really, really good.

After all, it's the books as a total arc that he staked his rep on. If TUC is mediocre, or even just a fun read, it's gonna be disappointing.

[sologdin]

there's plenty of greasy fandroids out there who will love him better for lines like attack of the femtards. so, yaknow, might be shrewd marketing.

[lokisnow]

Again the thin, tiny smile. "You worship suffering. Why do you think?"

locke, can you find the "addicted to atrocity" bit? (my editions are paper and therefore imperfectly searchable.). that bit probably ties back nicely to worship of suffering.

as to the addiction, which as i recall it referred to the non-men & their memory problems, i note this passage from delillo's white nose in connection with same:

(loc. cit. at 64), explained as:

(loc. cit. at 66).

so, to revise my earlier musing about the cunuroi as swift's struldbruggs passed through the bowel of tolkien's elves: the atrocity addiction is very much the baudrillardian lament about radical semiurgical overload present in delillo, but added as supplemental to struldbrugg-noldor, or so.

aye?

I couldn't find addicted to atrocity in the first three books. I don't have kindle editions of the latter two.

I was going to respond with a Baudrillard quote, then second guessed myself that it was probably Baudilaire, then looked it up to see which it was and found out it was Benjamin. :(

[David Selig]

Yeah, good point. Just had a bad feeling about this latest salvo from Bakker.

But then, thinking it over, I don't think anyone's gonna catch wind of this shit as Bakker is yesterday's news. Perhaps what he's really losing with his childish antics is the chance to make inroads with new readers? So it's a question of opportunity cost?

He's certainly making it less likely I'll ever read more of his works with posts like that. Not that I was likely to anyway, but still...

Does he really think he's some kind of pioneer in "importing ‘literary’ complexities into epic fantasy", BTW?

[Baztek]

This is great news. It kinda bums me out he considers the books an "artistic failure" but what're ya gonna do. Much as pop culture is enamored with "dark and edgy" entertainment, it's still possible to produce something too dark for modern tastes. Just as there is bigotry in the world, there is humor and joy, too, and I think the story would benefited immensely from a couple more silly fireside chats. Oh well.