Mrs.Grumpy Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 As you know Cersei's prophecy says;Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear. Cersei assumes that there will be a queen who will take everything from her and thinks that queen is Margaery Tyrell. But as you can see there's no mention of a queen in the prophecy. It says another rather than an another queen. Another means;1-being one more or more of the same; further; additional2-different; distinct; of a different period, place, or kind: For those who think "wtf is a quibble?"In terms of fiction, a quibble is a plot device, used to fulfill the exact verbal conditions of an agreement in order to avoid the intended meaning. Typically quibbles are used in legal bargains and, in fantasy, magically enforced ones. So why does everyone assume that Sansa or Margaery or Dany will cast her down? It could be anyone who's more beautiful and younger than Cersei. My guess is Loras :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven8472 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Hehe...Loras is an excellent choice,I'd love it if it were Myrcella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Yes, others have noticed that it just says "another" and not "another queen." Whatever it means, I'm betting it's Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen‍‍‍‍‍‍ Alysanne‍‍™ Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it could be Aegon afterall he is more pretty than cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welease Woger Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Hehe...Loras is an excellent choice,I'd love it if it were Myrcella. If the stories about Dragonstone are true, he's not beautiful anymore... OP: Nice observation, I haven't noticed it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I find using Loras in this argument a bit problematic, to say at least... Yes, others have noticed that it just says "another" and not "another queen." Whatever it means, I'm betting it's Sansa. What to say, other than I agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Balerion Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 An Other! queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ned's Little Girl Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 What about Jaime? He is younger, I'd say he's more beautiful (as a person) in the sense that he's less crazy-evil. I know he gets mentioned a lot as the valonqar but what if he is actually the younger, more beautiful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it will be either Sansa or Arya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Queen you shall be until there comes another. That's the crucial part of the prophecy. Cersei will continue being the Queen until "another" comes and ends her reign as Queen Dowager. That means that this person has to end Robert's dynasty, because Cersei is queen due to marrying Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 There are some, including myself, who do not think it refers to another queen. My own guess is that it refers to Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickeen Baratheon Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I'm thinking Brienne too, if we are using the beauty inside! People do call her Brienne the Beauty! If not her, then I believe it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. So it will be Marg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drexyon7 Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it's Marg, for me the key line "take all you hold dear"Marg has taken both her sons, her power, and her beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it's Marg, for me the key line "take all you hold dear"Marg has taken both her sons, her power, and her beauty.Pretty sure Cersei herself thinks it's Margaery, ergo it isn't. Just like Tyrion won't be the valonqar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it's Marg, for me the key line "take all you hold dear"Marg has taken both her sons, her power, and her beauty. Cersei losing power is her own doing. Her imprisonment by the HS and the WoS is as a result of her own actions. Her heavy drinking and subsequent weight gain is her own doing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Cersei thinks the prophecy refers to physical beauty, therefore, it does not. Hence, Brienne, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think it's Marg, for me the key line "take all you hold dear"Marg has taken both her sons, her power, and her beauty. How has Margaery taken Tommen? How has she taken Cersei's power? How has she taken Cersei's beauty? But most importantly... did she take all the other things that Cersei held dear? Joanna? Tywin? Jaime? No. Therefore we can assume that "all you hold dear" only refers to what Cersei holds dear in the moment that "another" casts her down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 So why does everyone assume that Sansa or Margaery or Dany will cast her down? It could be anyone who's more beautiful and younger than Cersei. My guess is Loras :Pand what is beauty? It's subjective. It has to be beauty through someones eyes. If Jaime is at the centre of this, and he chooses Brienne over Cersei - leading to his sisters demise, the 'more beautiful' in the prophesy could be Brienne. And IIRC Jaime has already thought about her beautiful eyes. Would be a good one, as who would think Brienne was more beautiful than Cersei (other than perhaps Jaime, who's slowly seeing her that way)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 The groundwork . . . Her. The queen remembered the Maid of Tarth, a huge, ugly, shambling thing who dressed in man’s mail. Jaime would never abandon me for such a creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 The groundwork . . . I'm with you on this one Faint, Cersei and her wrongness in that quote fits rather well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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