Consigliere Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Oops! Forgot to post my own question! Daeron II married Myriah Martell and his sister Daenarys married Prince Maron Martell. The age difference between Daeron and Daenerys makes me assume that Myriah was much older than Maron. Were Maron and Myriah brother and sister? Or were they related another way? I haven't been able to find the answer in the books, but perhaps something has been mentioned by GRRM in a SSM that I simply don't know of. Does anyone know how Maron and Myriah are related? Don't know of an SSM but under The Citadel Heraldry it's mentioned: After repeated attempts at conquest failed, King Daeron II brought Dorne into the fold by peaceable means, marrying the Prince of Sunspear’s sister and giving his own sister to be the wife of the Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noruego Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 How do you pronounce Dolorous Edd's name? Is it like Dolores? I've been calling him Dollor-us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 There is a mention of Melisandre in aGoT, in Tyrion IX, after the Battle of the Green Fork, when Tyrion learns from Tywin that Renly has proclaimed himself king.So it seems Melisandre was coming in Dragonstone quite early !In Tyrion III, Clash, I believe LF recalls Varys reporting to the Small Council that Seyse had taken up with a Red Priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'm on my first re-read of the series to find and understand parts I may have missed. In a GOT when eddard is telling robert about jamie and the lannisters after the sack of kl, he says that he feels like the dragons in the tr are watching him. My Q is, can br or bran see through dead eyes?Nah, they have Balerion the cat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Can somebody please explain me in short form why people think Aegon is fake?The clincher for me was the tale told by Septon Maribald told about the clanking dragon in Brienne VII of Feast. Then consider the way Illyrio talks about the boy and the descriptions of Illyrio's youth and Aegon in the early Tyrion chapters in Dance. There are a lot of others clues too. But who's the Blackfyre descendant, Illyrio or Serra (or both)? I believe it's Illyrio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Ghost Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Who brought back Lyanna's body to WF? Was it Ned with baby Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Who brought back Lyanna's body to WF? Was it Ned with baby Jon?Ned probably used one of the same pack animals to carry the body that Sandor used to carry 10,000 gold coins all around the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 How do you pronounce Dolorous Edd's name? Is it like Dolores? I've been calling him Dollor-us I pronounce it as Do-lo-rus. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, now I remembered that the reason why Quentyn had been fostered by them because of something Oberyn did, thanx for the fast reply :). Yeah, when he was sixteen years old, Oberyn was found abed with the mistress of Lord Yronwood. Lord Edgar Yronwood got angry and demanded a duel, though they agreed it would only be until first blood, since Oberyn was a Prince. And so they fought, both took cuts, and both were satisfied about the restoration of their honour. But while Oberyns wounds healed, the wounds of Lord Edgar Yronwood festered and he died. Ever since, people say Oberyn has fought with a poisoned sword, and they have started calling him Red Viper ever since. The new Lord of Yronwood was angry (understandable) about the death of his father, and so, when Doran had a son, Quentyn, he send him there to be fostered, at a rather younger age than you normally send your child out to be fostered. This to show the Yronwoods that they are still respected by the Martells, and that they trust them with a huge responsability. The current lord of Yronwood is Lord Anders Yronwood, Edgar's grandson. The trust the Martells place in the Yronwoods has been expressed as well by including them in Quentyns secret mission, in which Lord Anders' heir and nephew both accompanied Quentyn. Also interesting, House Yronwood joined Bittersteel in three of the Blackfyre Rebellions. Perhaps in the future they'll cause some trouble? Lord Anders must be getting angry about the death of his heir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Who brought back Lyanna's body to WF? Was it Ned with baby Jon? It was Ned. He brought her back home to Winterfell, to be burried in the crypts with Lord Rickard and Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureus Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I've seen it being mentioned that GRRM intends Jon to become more grey in subsequent books. Does anyone have a link to that quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DormeDwayne Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 How do you pronounce Dolorous Edd's name? Is it like Dolores? I've been calling him Dollor-us Dolorous is an actual English adjective. You pronounce it with the stress on the first syllable (do), while the name Dolores is stressed on the second syllable (lo). The correct pronounciation would therefore be ˈdō-lə-rəs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DormeDwayne Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Household knights belong to the household. Renly never had Davos in his service. He was from KL and saw a chance to make some $$ by smuggling through to Dragonstone. Stannis made him a knight and a lord. He was never beholden to Robert or Renly or anyone else except that Robert was the king. I don't think that's true in a feudal society. Household knights are the ones who have no lands of their own and live in the household of the lord they are in service to. But even landed knights and lords are responsible to their feudal leige lords - overlords. If Davos's lands are in the Stormlands they belong to the Lord of Storm's End (=Renly) and if this overlord calls his banners, all the lords and landed knights living in the Stormlands have to go to war under his command. When Davos decided to follow Stannis when Stannis declared himself king he actually betrayed Renly if his lands were really under Storm's End rule. This is a simmilar example to when the Westerlings started following Robb even though they owed their allegiance to Casterly Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 This isn't so much of a small question as a half-formed thought. Now that Dany has hatched dragons and brought magic back into the world, do you think any remaining dragon eggs have a chance of hatching on their own, or however they did back in the early Targaryen days? Or would someone still need to do stuff involving "fire and blood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papirico52 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yeah, when he was sixteen years old, Oberyn was found abed with the mistress of Lord Yronwood. Lord Edgar Yronwood got angry and demanded a duel, though they agreed it would only be until first blood, since Oberyn was a Prince. And so they fought, both took cuts, and both were satisfied about the restoration of their honour. But while Oberyns wounds healed, the wounds of Lord Edgar Yronwood festered and he died. Ever since, people say Oberyn has fought with a poisoned sword, and they have started calling him Red Viper ever since. The new Lord of Yronwood was angry (understandable) about the death of his father, and so, when Doran had a son, Quentyn, he send him there to be fostered, at a rather younger age than you normally send your child out to be fostered. This to show the Yronwoods that they are still respected by the Martells, and that they trust them with a huge responsability. The current lord of Yronwood is Lord Anders Yronwood, Edgar's grandson. The trust the Martells place in the Yronwoods has been expressed as well by including them in Quentyns secret mission, in which Lord Anders' heir and nephew both accompanied Quentyn. Also interesting, House Yronwood joined Bittersteel in three of the Blackfyre Rebellions. Perhaps in the future they'll cause some trouble? Lord Anders must be getting angry about the death of his heir... I think it was a spear- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papirico52 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 When they said that they srched dragonstone for dragon eggs , and they found nothing who took them?? Stannis, or Targs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 When they said that they srched dragonstone for dragon eggs , and they found nothing who took them?? Stannis, or Targs? If Stannis had them, we would have heard about it. We know there were a clutch of eggs there 80ish years ago during the Dunk & Egg stories. It's possible that the same men who were conspiring to turn Viserys and Dany over to Robert could have taken the eggs and sold them in the free cities. It's also possible that Egg himself gathered them all up for his BBQ at Summerhall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think it was a spear- Yet Prince Oberyn soon recovered, while Lord Yronwood’s wounds festered and killed him. Afterward men whispered that Oberyn had fought with a poisoned sword, and ever thereafter friends and foes alike called him the Red Viper. - A Storm of Swords, chapter 38, Tyrion It was a poisoned spear he used on Ser Gregor Clegane at the end of Storm of Swords. Against Lord Yronwood, he used a sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papirico52 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yet Prince Oberyn soon recovered, while Lord Yronwood’s wounds festered and killed him. Afterward men whispered that Oberyn had fought with a poisoned sword, and ever thereafter friends and foes alike called him the Red Viper. - A Storm of Swords, chapter 38, Tyrion It was a poisoned spear he used on Ser Gregor Clegane at the end of Storm of Swords. Against Lord Yronwood, he used a sword oh ok, sorry dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 This isn't so much of a small question as a half-formed thought. Now that Dany has hatched dragons and brought magic back into the world, do you think any remaining dragon eggs have a chance of hatching on their own, or however they did back in the early Targaryen days? Or would someone still need to do stuff involving "fire and blood." I don't think that magic ever left the world. IMO, the "birth" of the dragons simply enhanced the existing magic. This is just wild speculation but I think that dragons themselves are needed to hatch dragon eggs. Perhaps only when the eggs become petrified and there are no dragons left that fire and blood magic would be required. Alternatively, human beings may not be able to hatch dragon eggs and Dany's pyre moment was the fullfilment of a prophecy. IIRC, in The Mystery Knight, Egg mentions that Aerys I read a prophecy concerning the return of dragons and Daeron dreamed it. In this scenario, the events at the pyre cannot be repeated as the prophecy has already been fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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