Aerys Ahai Reborn Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 I think that citadel vows ties him more to obey to the NW's Lord Commander, and surely aren't about helping dragons ^^But I get your overall point, and given that Aemon is a very atypical maester (he rigs the Lord Commander's elections, insults Tyrion and generally act not exactly totally-into-serving like) it seems plausible that his "breaking the vow" comes because of a broader perspective.I wonder if that's all or a sort of familiar bound was involved... (I mean, Dany is his last and only known relative :))But what did the LC command him to do? To get out of the reach of Mel, to go with Samwell to Oldtown, so Sam can become a Maester and learn more about how to defend against the Others.Now if Aemon all the sudden has new information (about Dany, possibility of being TPTWP/AAR) and is out of reach for new commands from the LC, what is Aemon supposed to do? I think he needs to judge the situation for himself and obey his NW vows to "guard the realms of men." And going to Dany provides the best way for him to help "guard the realms of men."But well yes, I think it is a combinations of his duty to the NW and him wanting to help his last known relative. I mean, he knows she isn't just TPTWP/AAR, she is also the last of their dynasty, and bringing her to Westeros sure would help against the Others, but it also helps restore their dynasty, something I'm sure would bring Aemon a little joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 So far we dont have much evidence about the first test. We definitely need more D&E novellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Right after the Great Spring Sickness, Aemon was only 11/12/13, and would not have taken his full vows as a maester. (We know you can leave early, because Oberyn left only having forged a few links. Are there incremental vows at the lower levels of being a maester? Two other possibilities: 1) Someone higher up in theTargaryen family might have asked Aemon to do something against the Citadel while he was a student there. 2) The leadership at the Citadel might have asked Aemon to do something against the Targaryen family while he was a student there. This could be a possibility, seeing as the citadel have their secret plot to destroy all magic and the targaryens having strong ties with dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayura Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Here are important events in Aemon's life that we know of: 1) Daeron decides to send young Aemon to the Citadel despite the opposition of Maekar because "too many Targaryens are as dangerous as too few". Aemon completes his chain at 19. --> I think the first test might have happened during that time, hence implying something a young man could aspire to, so I'd bet on love. 2) Maekar succeeds Aerys shortly after and recalls the new maester Aemon to King's Landing to serve in the council. Aemon refuses because he doesn't want to usurp the Grand Maester's place 3) When Maekar, Aerion (wildfire dude) and Daeron the Drunken die, a Great Council is called as the two children of Daeron (lackwit girl) and Aerion (mad son) are not considered as an option for the succession. The choice is between Aegon "Egg" and Aemon, his elder. The Council doesn't really favor Aegon and so they pray Aemon to abandon his chain and even the High Septon agrees to absolve him of his vows so he can become King. Aemon refuses because he chooses to serve and not to reign. He then departs to the Wall because he can feel that the Council is going to try to force the matter of his succession and Aemon decides to protect Aegon. --> TEST 4) Robert's Rebellion sees the death of his entire family (or near) and Aemon is deeply moved but he chooses to remain neutral and remains quietly at the Wall --> TEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahgh Neqaj Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 So far we dont have much evidence about the first test. We definitely need more D&E novellas. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 We dont know for sure that Aerion's infant son is mad or not. But because of his father was such a jackass, they may have just ignored him. GRRM said Aerion may also have some bastards in the Free Cities. Maester Aemon: Jon, did you ever wonder why the men of the Night's Watch take no wives and father no children?Jon Snow: No.Maester Aemon: So they will not love, for love is the bane of honor, the death of duty. "What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms...or the memory of a brothers smile? Wind and words. Wind and words. We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. That is our great glory, and our great tragedy" Aemon is talking from experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyCat Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 What the hell is wrong with me today? I read the title as Maester Aemon's 3 Teats...You're not the only one :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firiel Hiren Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I was wondering about Maester Aemon's response to Tyrion saying he was kind.I believe Maester Aemon was making a serious observation calling Tyrion a giant. Tyrion knew it was a compliment and responded with the standard court compliment calling Maester Aemon "kind." Maester Aemon's response that he has rarely been called kind is very interesting because I think it is also sincere and based on what he recalls of his life. I believe Maester Aemon and Bloodraven planned to go to the wall at the same time and that Maester Aemon's denial of the throne is not his second sacrifice of duty to vows over family. I think that was no hardship to him at all because he didn't have to go to the wall. He chose to do so because his concern was being in Aegon's way. With that voluntary choice, we can infer what his primary concern was all along.I suspect that Maester Aemon while studying at the citadel wrote letters to Aerion Brightflame convincing him to drink wildfire. Maybe he even tried to kill Aerion and failed and that is why he decided to go to the Citadel at age 9. At any rate, if he wanted a good man to sit the IT, Aerion had to go.He probably had been listening to his Drunken brother's prophesies for his whole childhood and took them seriously. Then, he could have gone to court but again chose to hang out with his Drunken brother to not get in the way of the Grand Maester. As Daerion's Maester he took care of his health until he died. Convenient? Or fortunate for the realm? I think that was duty again and he chose his duty to the realm over his brother's life and probably slipped something in his tea.The 3rd one is still probably the sack of KL. I believe if we had more records we would see whatever Bloodraven and Maester had been up to from 233 to ? Are they still talking via ravens through most of this action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 We still don't know what the first one was, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I don't think we have any new information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Not Appearing Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 What if there were really only two tests and he's mistaken. Under this theory, the first test was a math test and he failed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomi Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I think that citadel vows ties him more to obey to the NW's Lord Commander, and surely aren't about helping dragons ^^ But I get your overall point, and given that Aemon is a very atypical maester (he rigs the Lord Commander's elections, insults Tyrion and generally act not exactly totally-into-serving like) it seems plausible that his "breaking the vow" comes because of a broader perspective. I wonder if that's all or a sort of familiar bound was involved... (I mean, Dany is his last and only known relative :)) Aemon insulted Tyrion? Idon' recall that... Anyway, Stannis is Aemon's great-grandnephew, so Dany isn't really his last known relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 The "boy" in "once as a boy" is relative. To a man Aemon's age at the time he's talking to Jon about this, 26 could be a "boy" to him. He's talking about his Night's Watch vows, so it would be early adulthood, prime adulthood, and the last one. And doesn't Aemon mention a woman at some point, or was that just in the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 The "boy" in "once as a boy" is relative. To a man Aemon's age at the time he's talking to Jon about this, 26 could be a "boy" to him. He's talking about his Night's Watch vows, so it would be early adulthood, prime adulthood, and the last one. And doesn't Aemon mention a woman at some point, or was that just in the show?I agree that it doesn't narrow it down a great deal, but he would have been around 35 when Egg became king. Not to say 26 couldn't be around the age he was referring to when he said he was a boy, but it wouldn't be the area I would expect when he refers to the test in regard to Egg as being in the fullness of his manhood. IIRC Aemon would be about 14 as of the last Dunk and Egg, and I would expect the first time to be somewhere in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizoz Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Aemon insulted Tyrion? Idon' recall that... Anyway, Stannis is Aemon's great-grandnephew, so Dany isn't really his last known relative.True. But though Dany and Stannis are both Aegon's great-grandchildren, Dany is much more closely related to Aemon because of Jaehaerys and Aerys marrying their sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 We still don't know what the first one was, do we? I guess this might be a thing left for future D&E novellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
three-eyed monkey Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think the first test was love, the death of duty and all that. He may have even given up a child so that he could remain at the Citadel. What is duty compared to a newborn son in your arms? Sounds suspiciously like he is indeed talking from experience. The boy would be in his eighties now if still alive. Or it could signify an unknown branch of the Targ familly tree. And that means... more secret Targs! Looking forward to the theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It could easily be just discovering at a young age sexual attraction. But here is hoping that it has something to do with power and dynastic intrigue and that it will be written about in a Dunk&Egg novella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicAndTheSquidSquad Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 My guess would be during the Blackfrye Rebellion. But here is an interesting thought. Aemon had three, what if Jon has three times/trials to turn is back on the NW. 1) Ned's arrest/Robb riding off to war. 2) In aDwD; The Pink Letter and trying to save "Arya" 3) The Battle for the Dawn: What if the only way for him to save the people, is to turn his back once again and take up a crown. Aemon, was offered a crown once too. I dunno.....im just ramblingJon has already had three tests: Ned's arrest / going to war with Robb vs NW Ygritte vs NW Saving Arya vs NW Rejecting the crown would be fourth in the row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHodorThatWasPromised Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So he has three tests- about love, about power (or gold), about blood (or family and vengeance). Thats a really good point. Now where have we seen something like this before ? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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