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  2. Tagganaro

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    He's not using double-standards. Jon sees Mance as useful- Janos not so much. Tough to disagree with him on that assessment knowing both guys as we do.
  3. Dead headofMaelysKinslayer

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    I agree that Jon's decision was personal. But blaming him for everything happened is not fair. Harrenhall curse definitely brought Janos's life to end and Jon had no power to stop it just his great grandfather Aegon the Conqueror couldn't save Harren the Black, Aerys couldn't save Gargon Qoherys and so on. Littlefinger could have the same end as the ruler of Harrenhall and I want that to be justice and personal at the same time.
  4. Lord Varys

    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    Well, since they fell out if something happened it is odd that they named a son after him, and Aemon was the father of Rhaenys, the rival of King Viserys I. Thinking about Helaena, it is actually a variation of Elaena, but still odd that they should want to name their first daughter about an obscure, pre-Conquest matriarch.
  5. teej6

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    You got to be kidding. Slynt "agreed" when his head was on the chopping block, not a moment before.
  6. Buell 2K

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Slynt is not a fine man, but it doesn't mean Jon was right to execute the guy. Justice doesn't exist when the man passing judgment uses double-standards. Janos and Mance are both sworn brothers of the watch who broke rules. Hell, Mance's rule breaking exceeded Slynt's. Jon killed one man and let the other walk. That's not justice.
  7. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    It was even more than this, not just the threat of death... It wasn't until Jon had gone even farther, and had started the proceedings for the execution that Slynt agreed. It isn't until Slynt's head is literally on the block that he relents.
  8. Buell 2K

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Jon knows about the threat of the Others but he messes everything up because he just cannot separate himself from House Stark. Sending Janos Slynt to solitary confinement would have been punishment enough. Killing the guy only alienated the other brothers who supported Slynt and distrusted Jon. And then the truth outs that Jon let Mance Rayder live and sent him to get his sister. Jon killed a man for an offense when he himself was breaking all kinds of rules with his mission to get Arya away from Ramsay. Jon is a hypocrite. If Jon truly put the defense of Westeros as his first priority, he would not have interfered with Ramsay's business.
  9. The Fattest Leech

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    The author wrote Janos Slynt as a duplicitous opportunist that tries kiss the boots of anyone he thinks will be in power- and not very consistently, mind you. He was not written as any sort of "good guy".
  10. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    No, he resisted, insulted Jon in private and stormed out of the room. Then, when given a second chance, he resisted, insulted Jon in public and tried to undermine him. He only agreed when he had a sword above his neck. Jon, quite rightfully in my opinion, understood that Slynt was not genuine in this about-face, and that a subordinate who only follows orders under the direct threat of death is no use, especially in the current situation. We have Jon's own thoughts on this, quoted several times in these threads... that Slynt would not relent, would never treat Jon with anything other than the deep personal hatred Slynt seems unable to relinquish, and that he would go back to whatever mutinous actions he had planned as soon as Jon turned his back.
  11. Tagganaro

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    notice why he agreed? Because Jon threatened to kill him. Then we see Jon literally think about it and go "well he's already disobeyed me this many times, I could put him in an ice cell but he'll go right back to plotting." Jon is perfectly within his rights to do that, and I'd argue he'd be a saint if he didn't decide to kill Janos there.
  12. Wolf of The Wall

    Does this Mummer's Dragon has us all fooled?

    Balon, Robb, Joffrey had the support of their regions. Joffrey didn't had the support of smallfolk but Westerlands and Lords of Crownlands supported him. I didn't say fAegon has to have all of the Lords but he needs a significant support in order to be taken seriously. And Stannis is a king only in name. I am saying this as fan of Stannis but we need to call a spade a spade. He already think himself as a dragon. And I don't know if you noticed but those who think themselves as dragons are usually the wrong ones. "Daenerys is Prince Rhaegar's sister, but I am Rhaegar's son. I am the only dragon you need."
  13. Ser Leftwich

    What if Theon was left handed?

    I am making fun of What-If threads. They are always outlandish, pointless and, by definition, have something that didn't actually happen in the books. Hence "what-if?"
  14. The Fattest Leech

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Of the four plotters we have seen through ASOS and parts of ADWD, Slynt, Thorne, Yarwyck, and Marsh, only Marsh is left. Marsh is good at counting spoons, but he is also a bumbling follower. Marsh is either hastily acting on a plan that schemed earlier, taking advantage of the chaos as Ser Patrek tries to steal Val and sets off Wun Wun... or, Marsh and mutiny friends were guided by something else as Sam takes note of in one of his chapters... but that is another thread
  15. It isn't too much if you really think about it structurally. The characters aren't stuck beacuse of their own foibles and limitations or because of circumstances, it's because the author wants them to be stuck. For most it's just time to poop or get off the privy. Now, both books would probably have to be ADwD size to finish it, but that's OK. Dorne? - Arianne has it assessed correctly. Doran Martell (or anyone in Dorne) just needs to do something... anything, to get moving. We will probably have to wait for the bad news from Meereen to catch up with them. The Connigton rebellion? - Quash it or corrupt it. Cersi is perfect for this and she will need the mercs later. The only issue is how to pay them. Arya? - Just get her back to Westeros and she should start to line up well. Sansa? - Is well positioned. After 3+ books of her just sitting around being tortured and malipulated, her arc is ready to explode. Sam? - Is the only character who is right where he needs to be. Jamie and Brienne? - Are positioned to finish their internal arc together with Lady Stoneheart and the Riverlands. Victarion? - A fleet for Dany after he is brought around to her way of thinking OR eliminate him and seize his ships and other assets. Pyke? - Is a wildcard. Tyrion? - Is finally close to where he was supposed to be going, on the doorstep of Meereen. All we need now is... Dany? - Much like Doran Martell, she just needs to do something and finally is in place to do so. Enough court intrigue and social drama. I think that the show probably did give us a good indication of Dany's path (except the Dany/Jon thing which is a little too pat for my tastes). If George moves too far away from that there will be no way to finish it in two more books. Jon? - Needs to get resurrected and figure out who the hell he is and try it out for more than a month. I'm being facetious, but he goes from being relatively sharp and aware in the first three books to being stupid and tone deaf in ADwD. It must be a Stark thing. Blind Maester Aemon could have seen that backstabbing coming a mile away. The North, the Wall and the Others? - Winter is here. The only thing moving events forward is Stannis' stubborness. Most, if not the all, of the last book can finish all this. Now, this is not to say that GRRM will do this. From what we've been given in TWoW samples it seems he is still not moving much at all, but I wouldn't expect the juicier chapters to be released anyway, so there's still hope.
  16. Buell 2K

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Janos Slynt resisted at first and then agreed. He agreed to do what he was told. Then Jon killed him anyway.
  17. The Fattest Leech

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Jon does not have to "declare" anything. When the commander commands, you listen. When the shield that guards the realms of men says they need help, you listen. Jon is remembering the true purpose of the watch, and that is KEY to the entire arc of his story, and Wetseros and humans as a whole. You are forgetting the hypocrisy that Janos is showing here against his judgment of Jon. First, Janos has never met Jon and literally starts his first interaction with Jon accusing him of something he himself did not witness. So again, Janos is not leaving any past judgements behind as he is prejudice against Jon from the get go for just being a Stark. And then, to really rub it in, Janos takes the word of one of the unwashed-savage-whore-wildlings over the word of a brother of the Night's Watch, even though there are other brothers in the room at the time who where there at the battle that are defending Jon. Janos belives Rattleshirt over any other brother, and Thorne just laughs with it because he also has a chip on his shoulder against Starks. You never know, but I doubt it because if you read then you will see that the schemeing and plotting comes from Janos- in the hot tub with the letter from Tywin discussion, and then several times after, and then the lies that Janos spread that remain even after his death. Thorne did promise to be back... as what and under what mental state, I don't know for sure, but my bet is that of all the schemers, Thorne is the one to "see the light" and be one with the blue winter rose. Are you seriously defending Slynt by supporting his boo-hoo crying that work will be too cold and too difficult? That is what it reads you are doing. And the gate at Castle Black is open to free folk now, why would they risk lives to climb the wall for any reason when they are now (basically) welcomed. There is a HUGE difference between the free folk and the wildlings. The term wildlings is a derogatory term much like the various ones in the real world. Free folk is the correct term. The actual wildlings are people like the Weeper and Rattleshirt and those few shitheads. Jon knows the difference because of his experiences with them. He saw them for what they are and not the exaggerations told through the southron realms. That is key to this story, and key to the heart of our hippie author. That is pretty funny Really? Jon's "tyranny"? The same guy who learns the truth about the free folk through actual experience, wants to save thousands from becoming wightified and part of the true foe, plans to rebuild the watch and grow food, saves a highborn girl from the deadly winter weather during an upcoming war for life??? Real tyrant.
  18. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    What about refusing to follow an order given by his superior? You're rather conveniently forgetting that don't you think?
  19. Dead headofMaelysKinslayer

    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    Aemond is Daemon with the first/last letter switched and something definitely happended between Daemon and Alicent.
  20. teej6

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    How other people’s deaths affected certain characters’ narrative in the story does not automatically imply that Slynt’s death had a negative impact on Jon’s. It does not imply that Slynt was seen as a martyr or that his death influenced Marsh’s decision to kill Jon. As for Jon being tyrannical, I don’t see any evidence to back that claim. The NW is not really a democratic institution, although they elect their LC. The LC’s word and ruling is final. Jon does consult his officers and consider their views. The fact that he does not agree with them does not make him a tyrant. Marsh is a bigot and couldn’t see beyond his own petty prejudices. Could Jon have tried harder to convince Marsh? Perhaps. But considering that Jon was preparing for the impending doom of Westeros and that nothing he said or did could/would convince the likes of Marsh, I doubt there was much else Jon could do.
  21. Unacosamedarisa

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Yes you are. You're asking "is Jon Joffrey?"... that's a comparison. You are comparing Jon's execution of Slynt to Joffrey's treatement of Sansa, when Tyrion educated his nephew on what happened to Aerys.
  22. Buell 2K

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    Changing the topic title doesn't change the fact that the execution of Janos Slynt was not justice. Trees have eyes quoted and responded to me in Damsel in Distress' topic so I will quote back and respond. Janos Slynt didn't break his vows. Being disrespectful is not breaking vows and not an offense that should have been punished by death. That was personal and Jon was driven by his desire to get revenge for Ned. Jon knew it was wrong and talked himself into killing Janos Slynt anyway.
  23. Morpheus

    U.S. Politics: The Marionette Presidency Edition

    Joe Crowley is still going to be on the ballot, even though he claims he is not running. And The WORST Democrat, Joe Lieberman, is pushing for voters to go for Crowley. Chuck and Nancy aren’t really helping either.
  24. Hugorfonics

    The execution of Janos Slynt was spot on

    I always assumed it was Yarwick. Maybe Alliser, but that seems far fetched. Yarwick changed his mind though, hes complaining to Jon day in and out. I dont thimk Janos approched Yarwick though, I think Alliser did and after Janos died he redoubled his effort. Obviously no ones gonna oppose Jon. 23% and none from Mallister or Pykes castles so largly CB. Its similar to how he behaved when Tyrion threatened him, his first reaction is anger then fear. Did he really think himself untouchable? I dont think he was that stupid. The Hand is the Hand, Cersei yells at KG when they dont listen to Tyrion saying something like the hand speaks with the voice of the king Its not good. Not much worse then the 7 kingdoms or slavers bay, a little more worse lol. The sellsword in the back was also scared, and sure there is, Janos doesnt trust Jon Alliser belives in wights, he brought a arm to KL. Hes just a dick. Im not comparing Jon to Joffrey but thinking your LC so you cant do wrong or listen to criticism is Joffrey thinking, fortunately its not Jons
  25. Balon wasn't acknowledged King outside his islands, but he was still king. Robb wasn't acknowledged King outside his two kingdoms, but he was still king. At a point, Joffrey didn't have the support of his own smallfolk, and literally only the Westerlands follwed him, but he was still king. Stannis has no support, he is still a king. Even if he has only the support of KL people, why can't he be the King of KL? That's more people that were supporting Stannis when he was at the Wall. None of this, also, prevent him from hatching into a dragon. Prince Baelor was a dragon who was still a prince.
  26. Deadlines? What Deadlines?

    Who do you think are the five best female vocalists of all time?

    This thread will end in blood.
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