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  2. Yukle

    Last One Wins

    Thanks! Putting end to the discussion in the most succinct way I could think of.
  3. OtherFromAnotherMother

    Cersei's thoughts about Joffrey's betrothal to Sansa

    No they are not. The issue has nothing to do with hindsight. The issue is that there is nothing to indicate anything going on with what you are proposing. There are hints, mysteries, and/or dialogue with the other examples. Nothing with your proposal. She was mad Joff was bit by a wolf. She doesn't care which one it was.
  4. Peach King

    Renly was a dummy

    You telling me Renly's only reason to declare himself king was to be safe? He literally makes an entire speech about how great and awesome he is to Catelyn. Yeah? My point stands. And I edited my post so you can check it out. He's be really stupid to not figure out the parentage if Renly just told him "BTW Jaime and Cersei are fucking so arrest her immediately" No need to be rude. Cersei is an unreliable narrator. GRRM is not, and he himself says divorces are practically non existent.
  5. John Suburbs

    Cersei's thoughts about Joffrey's betrothal to Sansa

    Sorry, must have mis-linked. You can Google it if you want. The fact remains that virginity tests were commonplace, as were the methods to beat them, because nobody, least of all kings and princes, could afford any questions on the paternity of their sons. OK, none of which would require a daylong confab with the Lord Command of the Kingsguard, the mute King's Justice and the Master of Laws. Agreed? Sorry, but no. There are no urgent matters with the Kingsguard, no pending appointments to be made, no fighting in the realm, nothing at all that the Lord Commander would need to discuss with the queen before it is presented to the king. Tommen is eight years old, years away from inheriting anything. I'd be surprised if she has need for a brief discussion with these two on some trivial matter, but an all-day conference? No way, just no. Not in a medieval world. I'll post the same thing I posted above: Notice how men are the innocent victims here but women are wicked and wanton? Sansa, drunk and seemingly defiled, with Joffrey accusing her of seduction, would play perfectly well with this widespread belief. And again, Robert would have no choice but to absolve his son and attaint Sansa, and by extension Ned. The only difference is that this would not be treason on Sansa's part, so she wouldn't get that axe, but she most certainly is not getting the prince either. He's just been declared innocent of all charges by the chief and uncontestable law-maker in the land: His Royal Grace, King Robert. Convicting Joffrey of rape and perjury would ruin him as a king, putting the entire Baratheon dynasty at risk and laying the groundwork for yet another civil war. The consequences of that are far more dire than breaking off this betrothal. There are plenty of other brides for Joffrey and plenty of other Hands for Robert.
  6. Universal Sword Donor

    Renly was a dummy

    Is it really though? Yeah he gives Stannis the option of time. We know Stannis' army is half sellswords (or close enough), and we see freeriders desert or switch sides during the series. There are no defensive fortifications for Stannis' camp. No one seems to have an issue with anything but the timing. Battle plans never survive the first charge/bullet/whatever. Might as well use the KISS method. It's not the best plan admittedly -- Renly should have sent Randyll or someone with a mixed force to handle it -- but you don't always need a well-crafted hammer to hit a nail
  7. Martell Spy

    US Politics: Sit Up Straight and Show Some Respect

    Pentagon Asked to Prepare Housing for Up to 20,000 Migrant Children https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/us/politics/trump-immigration-border-family-separation.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
  8. Universal Sword Donor

    Renly was a dummy

    Just to rehash that entire line of thinking: Renly: Yo Ned, here's some guys. Let's seize the children so Cersei doesn't act against us Ned: THAT DISHONORS MY LOVERS MEMORY *next scene* Ned: Welp I am in jail and everyone is dead. I wonder why Renly left.... ************** NEXT SCENE Catelyn: Ned said no to you Renly: I didn't have the strength to act alone. I left so Cersei wouldn't kill me. ************** NEXT SCENE Cersei: Yeah I needed to kill Stannis and Renly He literally says this: “I lacked the strength to act alone, so when Lord Eddard turned me away, I had no choice but to flee. Had I stayed, I knew the queen would see to it that I did not long outlive my brother.” He's not a stupid man but his plans were sure stupid. If the quoting the wife of the king who was worried about being set aside won't do it, I'm not sure what will short of GRRM calling you -- he'd text but you wouldn't get it until 2021.
  9. Lord Sidious

    TTTNE 473: I hope Josh posts in this thread!

    I’m getting married and I’m super excited about it, but I’m neither a man nor in the US . I do agree with you though, I don’t think people take marriage as seriously as they ought to.
  10. Maester Drew

    Three Californias?

    Based on the data from David Leip's Atlas, I calculated how these three states would have voted in the previous five presidential elections. In short, California and Northern California would both be solidly Democratic, while Southern California would be a swing state in presidential elections.
  11. Marko Antonivic

    NHL: Offseason (Trades, UFA, Awards & the Draft)

    Keep JT and add a top four D Man and I think you’re a shoo in for the playoffs with trotz
  12. Eusebio da Silva ljkeane

    Cricket 33: ODIs Still Aren’t Proper Cricket Edition

    Letting Root get through 10 over for 44 runs probably didn't help.
  13. briantw

    NFL Thread: "Terrell Owens does what?" edition

    Well, I guess that saves me the trouble of looking up his interview with Bayless.
  14. Leofric

    R,I.P. Thread

    Was sad to hear that Koko, the gorilla whohad mastered sign language, had died. She was 46 years old. Truly a goodwill ambassador for gorillas and all the Animal Kingdom. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/health/koko-gorilla-death-trnd/index.html
  15. Jace, The Sugarcube

    NFL Thread: "Terrell Owens does what?" edition

    That's what I meant. They all look the same to me.
  16. Jace, The Sugarcube

    US Politics: Sit Up Straight and Show Some Respect

    You want faith? Find a priest. You want a winning strategy? Find a racist idiot. Seriously, DACA isn't a winning issue. It was, then the tribes balkanized after the shutdown. Dems need to stop trying to fight tomorrow's war on yesterday's battlefield.
  17. No one mentioning the Summer Sale that kicked off today?
  18. briantw

    NFL Thread: "Terrell Owens does what?" edition

    He put Cowherd in his place too. Cowherd just comes out of that looking like an asshole.
  19. DMBouazizi

    Three Californias?

    I imagine the general strategy for most candidates would be ad buys in rural/cheaper urban areas and staging as much events in large cities to maximize free media. So in that way I suppose it might "hurt" rural areas - but this is already the strategy anyway, just confined to a handful of states.
  20. Casablanca Birdie

    Moving Right Alolan - More Pokemon Go!

    The rollout for trading starts with people at Level 40. Some time later they will introduce other levels. If you look at your app under your avatar image, you will see it now says ME to the left and FRIENDS to the right, across the top. And the words "Please come back when you hit Level 40 to access the Social feature!" under Friends, lol! I'm 694,000 away from Level 38 so it will be a while for me....
  21. Triskjavikson

    June '18 Reading - Something something witty.

    Yeah, prose was solid throughout. Plot is my big issue.
  22. While are you not wrong to think that Daenerys will end up marrying - and, let's be honest, [email protected] - a Greyjoy (YUCK!!!), I think you are wrong to think that will be Euron. Euron is not the Greyjoy she will marry. Victarion is. Her marriage to Victarion will likely be very short-lived (he'll be gruesomely murdered by Euron in an epic sea battle similar to how the Sand Snakes died in the show) but it will be the key to coming back to Westeros. As a matter of fact, I think don't think Daenerys' return to Westeros will have anything to do with Aegon. The global threat posed by the Others and/or Euron Greyjoy is more than enough to do the trick (plus, her second husband will be Victarion who has a ugly history with Euron). Hell, depending on how serious Daenerys gets about her "Mhysa, Breaker of Chains, Stallion that Mounts the World" spiel, she might just want to go to Westeros to give people food for their bellies and fire for their homes. Or even to free them from feudalism. Now, I'm not saying there won't be a Second Dance. There will. When Arianne learns of Quentyn's death, she's not going to want anything to do with Daenerys. She already has serious doubts about Daenerys' moral integrity behind Viserys' death. I think that the Targaryen administration in King's Landing will assume the worst about Daenerys (mainly Jon Connington) and so they will be the ones to first shots. Daenerys will eventually get pissed off. And that'll be the point where she'll be trying to eat Aegon alive. But there's no way she's going to marry Euron. Daenerys is going to have to completely do a heel-face-turn change as a character in order for that to happen. And if that happens, then Daenerys will become a villain. So no. It'll be: Aegon and Arianne Daenerys and Victarion (and, later on, Daenerys and Jon) Euron and Cersei Yep. I'm calling it: Cersei and Euron will marry and join forces both in the books and the show.
  23. chiKanery et al.

    US Politics: Sit Up Straight and Show Some Respect

    Not at all. It will reappear when Trump starts trying to deport DACA recipients en masse. Jace needs to have more faith!
  24. DMBouazizi

    US Politics: Sit Up Straight and Show Some Respect

    You're not really responding to my point - I was saying there's no one in the administration with the political will to implement a full on trade war. You say Navarro, ok, he has influence now. How long will that last? Because he went nearly 18 months with next to none. You say no one holds both the influence and position to stop a trade war, when I've been saying there's no one with the influence and position to sustain it - except Trump himself. And if we're relying on his sustained focus for something that's going to be both difficult to implement and incredibly unpopular, I'll take the under.
  25. Seams

    Snow Symbolism

    When I try to puzzle out the meaning of one of GRRM's ongoing, major symbols, I try to look at the actual passages from the book. The author's use of words is very precise and the details are specific. To find the meaning or make sure the discussion is focused, it's helpful to include the quotes in the posts. Having said that, I would also offer that snow is going to be a layered, complex symbol with subtle differences in meaning depending which character is discussing or experiencing it. For instance, Ramsay Snow and Jon Snow are not similar (I hope) but they share the Snow symbolism. Starks are at home in the snow because they are from the north; Targaryens are at home with fire because they are dragon-lovers. Snow would have different meanings to these different clans. Snow is related to ice and wind and mist, but it is not the same as those things. A snow man will have a different purpose than a snow storm. As Lollygag points out, too, the color of snow can bring in other symbolic allusions. I think there's probably also a pun involving snow / nose and knows, so what does it mean for snow that Tyrion lost his nose? tl;dr: It's complicated, I think.
  26. El trigo sarraceno

    TTTNE 473: I hope Josh posts in this thread!

    I don't understand what Gabrielle Ruiz shouts at the beginning. But fathers also love their daughters (not in a creepy way)!
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