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  2. Lady Rhodes

    The Pact of Versailles

    Those are my thoughts as well
  3. Nevis

    Nativity

    I doubt that Gendry thinks like a feudal lord.
  4. Rich does not imply lack of abuse. Especially women in Westeros with lord husbands or brothers. Ask Sansa.
  5. Rose of Red Lake

    People's reaction to Dany turning Mad Queen says something about us as humans

    She is fine profiting off the slave trade. You see how she has no moral center here, she is not ideologically opposed to slavery, she is opposed to losing to her enemies. So now folks wonder if she's just like the masters she displaced. And maybe she is - as we saw in Meereen she simply inverted the hierarchy, forcing former masters to plow her fields without a wage. She makes the same decisions as the tyrants before her. She uses the same violence, the same economic policies they inflict. That said I do think she did a lot of good in Meereen and she made the best decisions of her career when she didn't rely on her dragons.
  6. If the only thing that makes you negotiate is the threat of losing you power entirely you are a tyrant. She only negotiated when given no choice. Vaes Dothrak, while extreme on both sides, shows an unwillingness to compromise. Either her demands are met or she uses overwhelming force. Only when that force is ineffective at getting 100% of what she wants does she compromise. It’s not evidence of not being a tyrant. Look the bread crumbs were there. Not served up on a platter but we were “played” by the story. Blinded by our expectations of stories and heroes perhaps but the story is there.
  7. House Cambodia

    The Pact of Versailles

    I think there were definitely strong echoes of Animal Farm in Dany's arc - messed up by the rushed scripting, but it will come out in the books.
  8. We are discussing show here. She wasn't a kid in the show; she was significantly aged up. Which is another reason why her actions don't really fit; she acts like a kid yet she isn't one.
  9. She did when she was yet a kid, but then she matured with the help of her advisors and friends/lovers. Doesn't mean she isn't a dragon anymore.
  10. Majority of population of these cities were slaves, so it is rather questionable that they deserved to be burnt. Yes, she did order restraint at Astapor and Meereen. I believe I have mentioned how she has constructed the entire narrative / worldview / idea of herself as a Saviour, Messiah. So she did try to rein in her impulses, but my point is, those impulses, that Targaryen "burn them all" side was always there. If anything, show runners made her more saintly than she was in the books, which is why her turn to Dark Daenerys came out of left field (just like they made Stannis into hypocritical tyrant, Davos into atheist, etc.). But indications were always there.
  11. ummester

    Nativity

    Good call - perhaps I have underestimated some of D&Ds dialogue. But yes, I do feel that general idea of looking less to the future was played upon as the story progressed. At the start Robert, Ned, Tywin, Stannis - even Jamie and Cersie and Jon (by joining the Nights Watch) - were very worried about the future. But as they were killed, or their children were killed, motivations around abstract future ideals like legacy fell away. I guess it presents as a chicken/egg thing - does the next generation lose hope for the future when the world turns to shit or does failing to think about the future turn the world to shit? I guess it shows also, that overall, the series biggest villain was Little Finger - because he generated the chaos that collapsed the standing social order at the start of the story.
  12. Theda Baratheon

    Small, unworthy things: part whatever

    Got a summer job and gonna juggle that alongside my weekend job, my uni work and podcast and ...uhhh...social life? Gonna be exhausting for a few months but I NEED the money & it’s as a tour guide on a historic property so that should be fun. And hoping to pay off rest of my uni stuff and then save up a few hundred quid rent for a month and just MOVE to some city and get a crappy job for a bit. I need to leave Cornwall
  13. She's trying to compromise between her own views, and the views of her subjects who think differently. One may think it was a poor compromise, that she should have stuck rigidly to her anti-slavery stance, or else just accepted slavery as being one of the facts of life in Meereen, but it's not the act of a tyrant.
  14. Lady Rhodes

    The Pact of Versailles

    Something that I just recently started thinking about at the conclusion of watching the show is the Russian Revolution and reading Animal Farm. I wonder if we are going to have another parable as well - that even the most just rulers and most just causes can be corrupted. The animals really thought they were building a better world on the farm and they became more and more corrupted.
  15. Rose of Red Lake

    People's reaction to Dany turning Mad Queen says something about us as humans

    I'm not sure where you are going with this post, but my point was that if she wanted to be seen as an abolitionist who makes a clear moral choice to stand against a great evil, instead of a wishy washy one, she would have never said this: "Any man who wishes to sell himself into slavery may do so. She raised a hand. "But they may not sell their children, nor a man his wife." "In Astapor the city took a tenth part of the price, each time a slave changed hands," Missandei said. "We'll do the same," Dany decided. Wars were won with gold as much as swords. If some of my points are unfair I suggest reading Dany's chapters again knowing that she'll be a future mass murdering tyrant, like I always knew she was. These things stand out. She is a mess.
  16. House Volton

    Aegon VI

    Aegon may marry Myrcella instead of Arriane Remember the Cersei's prophecy stated that all her children would be crowned
  17. darmody

    Nativity

    So that his children might be royalty? You must think like a feudal lord.
  18. ljkeane

    Cricket 34: Bring Your Own Sandpaper

    This might be the most low key England - Australia game I've ever seen. England have bowled ok but Wood pulled up mid over and went off which isn't ideal. He didn't look too worried though so hopefully it isn't too bad. Good win for Afghanistan against Pakistan yesterday as well. ETA: England have got Paul Collingwood out there as a substitute fielder. That’s a blast from the past.
  19. darmody

    Nativity

    They made this point explicitly, as I recall. Only because it's them it was in terms of dick. Bronn says to Tyrion and Jaime that status is built upon piles of bodies accrued by cutthroats like him. Eventually their grandsons squander it by being "cocksuckers." Which I interpreted broadly (though of course cocksucking itself is not fruitful) to mean children given to immediate pleasure and no concern for the future.
  20. The Baelish Mockingbird

    The Iron Bank of Braavos

    That's not my point. My point is that they can always take a gamble with any new invading force which would like to try their hands at Westeros should they ever crop up. The Dothraki point, sure but I thought I saw them getting back on ships. Probably to go back to Essos and start pillaging all over again. Also is slavery over in Braavos? Sure Dany burned down all of the Masters and decided to change the name of Slaver's Bay to Dragon's Bay but does that really mean slavery is just going to die out in Essos?
  21. If Daenerys does eventually become insane, in the books, it will have been well-developed. We know from her internal monologues that it's one of her biggest fears about herself. That could easily have been developed during the course of conversations with Missandei, in the show. But no, we just get her giving a few dirty looks to the Northerners, from which Varys deduces that she's her father. So, in her final scenes, she's first ranting and raving like Adolf Hitler, and then talking nonsense to Jon like the mad woman in the attic. So, obviously, she just has too be killed off, to get her out of the way.
  22. Corvo the Crow

    Why “small folk” and not peasant?

    Because small folk can grow into major house? Overnight, even!
  23. Sheiraseastar23

    The Iron Bank of Braavos

    You answered your question yourself here. The iron bank took a gamble with Stannis, as it did with Cersei. They surely don't expect the new King to pay the debt of the dethroned one, since it was by force, and not succession.
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  25. A bowl of brown

    Rank the seasons!

    Yep
  26. Ser Kafka

    Events you are most looking forward to see in TWOW

    So I'll probably regurgitate a lot of what others have said, but here are mine: Lady Stoneheart, Brienne and Jaime Jon's resurrection and how it will change his mentality (surely it must?) Sam and the Citadel Davos going to Skagos Bran's storyline
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