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  2. NonoNono

    Alternative ending: Jorah wasn't supposed to die!

    Wouldn't be surprised he was the one originally to kill Daenerys, with Heart's Bane.
  3. The Snow Queen

    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire Then let me word it better. There are a lot of clues that hints towards Jon/Sansa.
  4. kissdbyfire

    R+L=J v.166

    Erhm... I never said that. I was talking about foreshadowing, a word Jonsa fans love throwing around like mad. There is a big difference between foreshadowing and clues.
  5. RFL

    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    He doesn’t care for his well being. He gave Melisandre explicit instructions not to resurrect him again prior to the Battle of the Bastards. That was before Rickon died in his arms and before he “had” to kill Dany
  6. The destruction of Kings Landing was not out of character for Dany. She would have done similar sooner except for her advisors and she did in the case of Vaes Dothrak. We just allow ourselves to believe “they had it coming”. It wasn’t even, as others have successfully argued, out of the norm in regards to military tactics of the day it’s just dragons are MUCH more efficient than trebuchets. But, partly because of how it was shown to us, we reacted to it differently. Aside from the breaking the wheel speech Danys actions were entirely in character. If it was madness it was madness that existed for most of her story arc.
  7. The Snow Queen

    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire You say that any clues towards Jon and Sansa is invalid because it hasn't happened yet, but can't the same logic be used towards R+L=J too? That hasn't happened yet either. What makes one theory more valid than the other?
  8. Lady Valicious

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    I wouldn't hold my breath on that. It's not there because there's no point to it. People always want to see what they want and interpret events that way. It's your right I'm more a 'hear hooves think horses, not zebras' kinda girl. I'll be already glad if they have a loving sibling relationship...
  9. CrypticWeirwood

    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    It's as if he doesn't much care about his own well-being anymore. That may take time.
  10. The Snow Queen

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    @Lady Valicious It's because of their lack of closeness why I believe that romance could happen between them. The lack of a goodbye scene seems like authorial intent on GRRM's part. He probably wants to make their first meeting significant. If it is anything similar to what happened in the show then I say it's worth the wait.
  11. redriver

    Heresy 222 vindication

    Don't know why you were shot down.This makes textual and narrative sense. Well done.
  12. Lady Valicious

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    Oh yes... That whole thing was a mess... I always thought Jon would bond with Viserion (the whole 'he has a white wolf, give him the "white" dragon' lol). Jon is the sweet smelling flower in a chunk of ice... Just after Dangerous Women was released, GRRM explained the logic behind the Targaryen incest. He gave examples like brother and sister or aunt and nephew. He said that casually but the fact is that so far no aunt-nephew incest existed in the Targaryen family tree (we had uncle and niece several times), still none is Fire and Blood. So Dany will either do the deed with fAegon or with Jon... Not saying that it will end well. Jon has several things on his side to have Dany be infatuated with him. She will also be intrigued, we heard about the Song of Ice and Fire through her vision with Rhaegar when he thought Aegon was it. I sure hope Moqorro and Marwyn will follow her to Westeros and they'll put one and one together. I still can't believe Rhaegar hasn't left anything behind on that prophecy just in case... Unless Elia and Lyanna had that... Maybe there's something in the crypts about that... Someone earlier mentioned Jon potentially being her betrayal for love it is very possible... I still think it will be Tyrion to save Myrcella from fAegon and that it will be for nothing as we know she will die...
  13. kissdbyfire

    R+L=J v.166

    How so? Please, enlighten me. And while you’re at it, please, show me where I said there’s foreshadowing for R+L=J.
  14. The Bard of Banefort

    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    Sansa has spent the majority of the last two seasons trying to prevent Jon from getting himself killed (again). She pleaded with him not to go to Dragonstone. She was given the opportunity to seize power after Jon went south, but chose not to. When Arya threatened to release her season one letter, she was worried that the northern lords would abandon Jon, not her. She broke down in tears when Jon left to attack King's Landing, and conspired to put him on the Iron Throne. When Jon was sentenced to the Night's Watch, Tyrion claimed that Sansa wanted Jon exonerated. This was after the North declared independence, meaning that Sansa expected Jon to be king again. Sansa was never trying to overthrow Jon. If anything, she cares more about his well-being than he does.
  15. redriver

    Heresy 222 vindication

    Not really.Very few tangential points from what we are told in the novels,aside from starting a Dawn age after a time of darkness. No 12 companions for AA.No wife sacrifice for the last hero that we know of.
  16. CrypticWeirwood

    Independent North

    Sansa will be gone, but not Bran -- not really. Even when his current body dies, Bran continues. He might take a new body but even if he doesn't he will still be one of the old gods of the undying weirwoods, just as he now. Time is different for the trees, simultaneous not sequential. That's why Bran is guaranteed to be in their future just he is guaranteed to have been in their past. Those are not different for him in the way they are to you and me. I'm afraid that it's to be all Bran, all the time. The past and future alike are guaranteed to be 100% pure Bran, just as the present is now today.
  17. The Bard of Banefort

    People's reaction to Dany turning Mad Queen says something about us as humans

    I personally agree, OP. After "The Bells" aired, I speculated that Dany's turn could be seen as a deconstruction of the messiah complex, and just how dangerous and vain it is to believe you are a savior among men. A number of people seemed to agree with this interpretation, so I think there are more of us out there that feel this way than meets the eye. I do think the showrunners bear the most blame for this sense of cognitive dissonance among viewers, since they always portrayed Dany's violence as "girl power." However, as a female fan, one reason why I never talked about Daenerys with other show fans was because of this unspoken rule that Daenerys was the height of female empowerment, and anyone who didn't agree was plainly wrong: sexist, if you're a guy, or self-hating if you're a woman. While words like "sexist" are more inflammatory on paper, there's something especially hurtful and frustrating about the implication that you must be secretly hate yourself if you're not a fan of a fictional character.
  18. The Snow Queen

    R+L=J v.166

    @kissdbyfire I find it fascinating you say this in this thread of all places. The argument you use against Jon/Sansa can be used against R+L=J too.
  19. Lady Valicious

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    I could be wrong but I always considered their relationship as not good because she's with Rickon (who is still almost a baby) the only sibling he doesn't say goodbye to when he leaves for the Wall. She's the only Stark child who doesn't see him as her brother but her half brother. I suppose the fact that Jon had an excellent relationship with Arya with whom Sansa didn't get along certainly never helped me see them as close. Sansa also mostly is a copy of Catelyn and I won't talk about their lack of loving relationship. I do believe that seeing each other again could bring them closer together especially when they are missing their other siblings and they believe they are the only ones left. But I still can't imagine a romantic relationship between them.
  20. Zorral

    Rothfuss XV: Move along, nothing to see here

    I didn't express it well, on that level. He was at the threshold which so appealed to the audience that was also him, and the editors recognized it. But in the meantime, the threshold was crossed and he got shyte, lots of shyte (which he may well not have gotten if he'd got the series out in time). Also in the meantime, as was also pointed out, a certain field audience of immature white guy nerds keep finding the first book and loving it. It has that fantasy appeal. Which has been eternal in the field since at least John Carter of Mars.
  21. CrypticWeirwood

    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    No, simply gorgeous, something no one could deny.
  22. Leticia Stark

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    This and the fact she believed she would marry Rhaegar's son when she was younger. She was thinking about Aegon at the time, but I guess her thing will be with Jon. I wonder how the dragon riding will happen in the books too, I hope it's more interesting than that mess.
  23. sifth

    Why Did the Show Turn on Jon?

    Dany's whole chat about "liberating" people just confused me. Who or what, was she liberating them from? Why was she liberating people? The whole thing I just found silly in the end. The fact that she only had one dragon at that point just made her quest even more silly, IMO
  24. It_spelt_Magalhaes

    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    From the summary it reads like AU!Iberia... Without the complication of an upstart count deciding he was going to completely split from the others. Seriously, though, I'll look for it. Allegories of tollerance might be all we're getting these days. I wonder if the split nations of this book's verse will ever be arrogant enough to sit at a table and draw a line over the world and go "you take that side, I keep this side". As for gorgeous locations, Almourol would have been fantastic. And Monsaraz. But that's me claiming Portugal's better, right? As for the adage that the Pyrenees separate Europe from this bit of land? For all that it's a whole different concept of book, the premise of Saramago's ' A jangada de pedra' was the final touch. What if, one day, Iberia just floated off?
  25. Leticia Stark

    The "Val" Option, Jon´s alternative to the Iron Throne?

    The thing is, with this ending, Jon is Frodo.
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