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  2. Heartofice

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Well if you started praising Birds of Prey for its 'empowering violence' then hell yeah I'll be coming back in and talking about it. I'm quite sure the same gaggle of people will start using phrases like 'punching up, not punching down' etc and I'll be rolling my eyes at that as well, don't worry. It'll be interesting the movies you give a pass to, because they are 'on the correct side' but rail against because the wrong type of people like them.
  3. polishgenius

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Basically you can bet your bottom dollar that as time gets closer to the Birds of Prey coming out, as vehement as he is now about how we shouldn't be wringing our hands about a film about an angry white man, he's going to be equally so insisting that people shouldn't be getting excited for that because we've had strong female action heroes beffffffffore guuuuuys how dare you get excited for this one, probably with a hefty side order of 'Joker was violent and you didn't like that how dare you like this completely different violent movie!' as if violence was the only problem people had had here. Potentially with a sprinkle of pissing his pants that no-one cares that Black Canary isn't white when we'd all get mad if they cast Brad Pitt as Black Panther.
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  5. BigFatCoward

    His Dark Materials Series

    Looking at the age she is now. Any sequel I.e. the secret commonwealth would have no problem casting Dafne Keen again as 20 year old Lyra.
  6. Hey now! Let's not insult the good name of drunk posting!
  7. Jez Bell

    Acrophobia 36 - Gone Fishin' - ROUND 8!!

    Small tweak to #8... my bad. please have a look and update your votes as desired
  8. Ser Hedge

    UK Politics: A Partly Political Broadcast

    This. Bozo or Dom Moriarty to be precise has now clearly demonstrated for even the thickest Hard Brexiteer that no deal is unlikely to ever happen. Current Parliament will pass another Cooper or Benn Act and clever tricks like prorogation don't work. What about a new Commons? About 50 Tories (not the de-whipped ones) have made it plain they will not campaign for no deal. More importantly, Bozo owns this new de-facto-de-jure-if-you-want-a-rebate-sing-Molly-Malone-but-this-is-not-a-backstop-yeah-fudge-o-rama, so he will campaign on this, not no deal. No deal is dead, though for most it was always only ever a negotiating tactic anyway.
  9. Darth Richard II

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    Me? I don’t drink. Fucks with the meds.
  10. Jez Bell

    Pictionary 45: The Last Time I Went Camping

    Can I just draw this as a bonus round?
  11. JEORDHl

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Dude, you're wasting your breath. You're not worth engagement. Try someone else.
  12. Heartofice

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    What you actually did was post that tweet and also say that "Scroll through the joker hashtags if you're on twitter. Plenty of people identifying with Arthur's plight. ". Now if there is some evidence that there are mentally unwell people out there using the Joker hashtags and identifying with his plight then yeah I would be interested to see that, but all I saw was fans of the movie posting up stuff they thought was cool, or people talking about the movie critically or in some other fashion. Certainly not what you described. It was unclear whether it was a problem that someone had posted up that clip from the movie or that that bit of the movie was a problem for you. If you were really just talking about the content of the movie itself then fair enough, you tried to clarify later but I'm still doubting your intentions here. For my part if you take that line on its own then it sounds much worse. But the movie is generally pretty unsympathetic to Arthur, and never asks you to side with him, he's actually almost entirely unlikable. His line there isn't the motto of the movie or anything, it does portray Arthurs state of mind at the time and his sense of victimisation, as well as him saying things to play up to the crowd. It shouldn't be taken literally. But again you have not said what it is you find problematic, you just repeated that horrible 'problematic' word again. What are you suggesting is going to happen as a consequence of this movie existing? I'm guessing you think it will cause some crazed loner to go out and commit some random act of violence? Correct me if that isn't what you are suggesting. But is there any evidence that a movie would be the cause of such an incident? We've had others in the thread throw that out there baselessly, or that video games cause violence (totally forgetting the millions of people who watch movies and play video games who DON'T go around killing people) So if a movie is problematic in this way then what do you do about it? Surely the only healthy outcome for society would be to ban it right? But then what else do we ban? Surely the movies that Joker has ripped off, superior movies such as King of Comedy or Taxi Driver? Yet those movies don't appear to have damaged society in the same way despite being about crazed loners who go off and kill people. For me, I don't think Joker is a very clever movie, it portrays most of its issues at about the level you'd expect of a comic book movie, but tries to take itself seriously. It doesn't do a great job at portraying mental health either, but then Joker as a character has always been a strange caricature of someone with mental health problems. Its also a mostly ambiguous movie, maybe by accident or by design, it doesn't really appear to have any real message or theme because it's kind of all over the place. I'm really not defending this movie in fact, because I don't think I would ever want to watch it again. What I'm more interested in, in the level of hand wringing and moral panic surrounding the movie, which seems to be entirely unjustified but also seems to have been on display by many people in this thread.
  13. Fragile Bird

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    Do you drunk post?
  14. Darth Richard II

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    Go home troll, you drunk
  15. The Mother of The Others

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    So your boss isn't going to seek articles of impeachment after all, because that would require.... something. But nobody told the moderators nor candidates who spent 45 minutes on impeachment because it makes them feel.....alive again. (most of them are about to crumble into dust). Except for Tulsi Gabbart, so she gets asked about being too young and the oldsters turned to her like, "come on, get with it. Be more hip, like us." And then Gabbart pointed out the others didn't have commander in chief qualifications and CNN pulled 6 G's in the fastest hardest dive into a commercial break that's ever been seen. So we know CNN's opinion of these candidates! They couldn't be allowed to face that question. Go to break! For the love of God, errrrr, for the love of emptiness, go to break! One of the moderators was Barrack Obama's father, i noticed. That seemed like an unfair advantage for Biden. Erin Bennett was the belle of the ball. She's usually more fat faced i discovered after looking her up. And then you had the white haired Ellen viewer asking the candidates Ellen related questions. For those too young to realize it, Amy [Clow- vitch- ur] is the actual democrat out of this whole bunch. The others have migrated and are, well they are what they are. Beto is on the patch, he's down to only using Spanish conjunctions now. If Yang and he were high, what about Steyer's eyes? He sought out the camera so hard and peered so deep into it that you could feel him feeding on you through the screen. Was he the guy who started running impeach trump ads like 7 years ago, before it was even possible? I don't understand why Booker is seen as an obama with none of the charisma. Like, what gives? If Trump was seen as a huge step backwards for the country, why is it too soon to go back to the black well again? Booker's talkings have more content than obama's which were all sizzle. Book says more meaningful things in terms of guiding the country well from the office. Buddy Edge x 2 is still my gay. My guy. The candidate I fancy. Julian was also there. Hey, if your whole thing for the whole trump term is that you've trumped up some racism charges, why aren't you going with Castro to hammer that home and close the deal? I'm just saying. On account of how Warren will win zero states.
  16. Well, at least according to this report, all three will be in New York on Saturday. And Omar already released an official statement. My thinking was you hold off on Omar and Tlaib til a later date to get multiple (and spread out) news cycles off of it - plus give you time to convince the 4th member of "The Squad" (Pressley). Although I wouldn't be surprised if she endorses by Saturday as well.
  17. SpaceChampion

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    Senate Intelligence Committee released 2nd part of its report on the Russian interference in 2016
  18. Triskele

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    I think that may be what's happening, offically. And maybe the news is just being reported pre-announcements.
  19. He seemed fine. I think it's a mistake to announce all 3 MCs at the same time. Have AOC endorse alone at a rally first, then have all three endorse again at a later date.
  20. Jaime L

    MLB Postseason: Bat Fight!

    I mean the memories of that 6-0 lead in 2012 NLDS game 5 against the Cards is still fresh. If anyone can blow a 7-0 lead, it's the Nats. And looked like they were on their way once it was 7-4 bases loaded in the 8th. Is it bad that our closer is visibly nervous everytime he comes out? That feels not great. Hudson getting that groundout, thank god. Even when it's easy, it's not easy. That said still feel like pulling out that 5 game win over the 106 win Dodgers unlocked something in this team. Was fully prepared for them to get stuck in a morass against this cagey Cards team and they'd blow winnable games and then the series. Instead the aces shut everything down, everyone did their job and they cruised. It's been years I've envisioned them playing like this. They finally did. It's still hard for me to get my mind around this team being in the WS. As much as this has been a dream run they're going to be the underdog whoever they face. But rooting hard for the Yankees. The Nats already went through hell against a historically great Dodgers team. And this Astros team looming is the most loaded I've ever seen. Seriously who is the last team to assemble top level talent like this? Nothing is coming to mind. Not looking to shock the world here. C'mon Yankees find a way to pull this out and let's have a great World Series among very good teams with very different strengths.
  21. Triskele

    US politics - When the Barr's so low.

    AOC, Tlaib, and Omar all to endorse Bernie. That seems like a nice shot in the arm for his campaign coming off the health scare. I barely saw any of tonight's debate. Did he seem unchanged?
  22. JEORDHl

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    It would've helped if they'd changed that particular bit of dialogue, sure. But the sentiment is woven throughout the subtext of the movie. For clarity, a lot of people liked this movie just fine. I don't. Well put. Thing is, the purist in me kept arguing with his take on this role. The idea that Joker, a misogynistic, masochistic, absolute psychopath that delights in chaos, in inflicting crippling pain [psychological/emotional et otherwise] that he ever cared about what his momma thought? How other people treated him? I'm not sure psycho/sociopaths are wired like that, but I'll defer to you. And I'll get over the comic purist thing. Someday, I swear. Moving on, another bit that got to me was the inference that his new clarity and direction started when he was off his meds. A trite and oft repeated axiom in film, belied by the last sequence in the mental institution, where he'd surely have been medicated. Yet... [spreads hands] Oddly enough, his performance kept pulling me out of the film because that's what I was really absorbing. It was like I, as a member of the audience had broken the fourth wall instead. Look at Phoenix go. A little jarring. --- Fanboying now, I can't same the same about the DCEU but I'd say I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies as entertainment. The only one I loved though was Winter Soldier. A fantastic film, all on it's own, imo.
  23. Raja

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Edit: this forum is being weird
  24. Raja

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Lol - I feel bad for not posting earlier that this is essentially what Heartofice does in multiple threads. The intellectual vacuum that usually accompanies his posts is quite something. *Anyway* - I saw the movie last night and I think Phoenix kinda saved this movie. There are things I liked about it, the first being phoenix's performance. It's a little spell binding the stuff he does with the joker & especially the laughing or crying bits where you're never quite sure if he's laughing or crying. He's easily the best part of the movie for me and saves it from being fairly tedious. The cinematography was also very good and I feel like the movie really made 'Gotham' come alive in a way that I'd say Batman Begins never could. As for the stuff I didn't like - I think this tweet sums it up fairly well I think the movie is quite desperate to be taken seriously but it is a pretty facile exercise in exploring the issues it puts up on the screen. Income inequality, a broken system, mental health - these issues are front and center in the movie, but it doesn't have anything new to say about any of these and ends with the main character explicitly telling us what the movie is about - there is no subtlety, none of these issues are explored beyond a surface level that at times can feel a bit irresponsible ( the depiction of mental health is a bit ( maybe more than a bit) questionable for me, especially as someone who is a health professional, it's just..not great and a stereotype that we would do well to move away from). It's just so thin & has such a lack of ideas about the things it is trying to say. I honestly think I would have been bored out of my mind had Phoenix not turned in such a good performance. And yet..even though I've got huge issues with the movie ( And I think the discussion Relic, Jace et al had earlier in the thread is something to consider), I still think it's something different from the MCU stuff we've been getting & will be getting over the next decade or so - I'm admittedly not a superhero guy at all, but besides Black Panther & Spiderverse, I haven't really seen superhero movies that I want to even think about after leaving the cinema, but the Joker is at least a movie that is different from the rote MCU stuff. Imo, the movie would have been *far* better with a decent writer, it's why I'm excited about The Batman because Reeves made three very decent films with memorable characters, so the Batman has the potential to be good. I think Reeves could do an excellent job if he's allowed to direct both Pattinson & Phoenix together.
  25. The Anti-Targ

    UK Politics: A Partly Political Broadcast

    He only needs to lose by less than the number of DUP MPs to be able to completely blame the DUP for making him have to cave to the Benn Act and ask the EU for an extension. But if a handful of the Tory caucus votes against the deal that's a bad look for him. Because if his Brexit deal isn't hard enough for everyone who is still in the Tory caucus then there is very little chance that any kind of deal will be able to command a majority in the House for the foreseeable future.
  26. Corvinus

    DCEU: Killer Clowns from Gotham City

    Regarding the specific example you showed earlier, Joker's speech and actions at the end, would you say that the movie screwed up by having Joker say that exact thing you brought up, and if that hadn't been included, the movie would have been better? I could see how that would be construed as deeply problematic, the movie saying out loud something that shouldn't be automatically applied to every mentally ill person.
  27. Triskele

    MLB Postseason: Bat Fight!

    Congrats to the Nats who were the far better team in this series. Man, that 8th got compelling for a second there. Starting pitching is so strong that I like their chances in the WS but then again both of those AL lineups have to scare Washington far more than St. Louis did as well. Nats might just get to have a solid little break here too before game 1.
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