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  2. James Arryn

    NBA 2019 - Now the Joy in My World is in Zion

    Yeah, he could win with a different narrative. Maybe he’ll be the ‘statistical accomplishment’ narrative, ie Westbrook/Not Harden 2 years ago as opposed to the Not That this year. Just get it close to Harden and you’ll get the narrative. Don’t get me wrong, it IS close and he’s deserving. What i’m talking about is that we all know it’s a lock because it’s close, which was what was predicted (though I did not predict Giannis). But in a situation where most advanced stats favour Harden or are very close AND the player and coach polls name Harden MVP and in spite of clearly being The Story of individual players this year, achieving things no one not named Wilt and in some cases Jordan has ever achieved, we all know as a certainty Giannis will win. Because people don’t like James Harden.
  3. I've heard Axelrod argue (hardly an impartial source, but I agree with him here) that if Obama started publicly, and unilaterally making a bigger deal of Russian influence in the election the backlash would've been immense, and it would've helped Trump even more. Would've looked to a very large portion of the country llike he was putting his finger on the scale, which is exactly what he was seeking to avoid.
  4. Eddard Waters

    Stannis wrote the Pink Letter. Clydas changed it

    We must never forget the fact that Jon Snow is evil incarnate, doing such horrible things as executing someone who's actively defying and undermining him, giving shelter to refugees that or being hunted down by a race of Omnicidal Ice Elves that can raise armies of corpses, protecting a woman who would have been raped by her uncle, and attempting to get his sister away from a psychopathic nutcase who was threatening to kill everyone on the Wall. We all must fear and hate Dark Lord Jon Snow
  5. NonoNono

    [Spoilers] E801 Discussion

    No one other than Bran and Cersei know right now. Tyrion I think suspects from the start, at least in the books. In fact I remember even in the show he taunts Jaime about wanting the kid to live, and Jaime wonders if Tyrion is on his family's side, so I think he knows.
  6. Krishtotter

    dany

    Good description of her bipolar qualities.
  7. I'm glad the op focuses on Clydas because I think he is a good source of clues about the pink letter. (I think the potential role of Stannis has been sufficiently covered in other recent discussions, so I won't address that.) I went back and did a little Clydas-re-read, examining mentions or appearances in AGoT, ASoS and ADwD. Clydas does appear to be a very important character, in a symbolic sense. I keep meaning to get back to a Dunk & Egg Re-read that I started last year. In that close reading and literary analysis, I found that a number of seemingly minor characters were actually manifestations of Bloodraven. I find it possible that Clydas is another one of these characters. Upon Jon's escape from the wildlings, to warn the Night's Watch of the planned attack from the south, these key passages really piqued my interest about Clydas: Maester Aemon was not long in coming. He moved slowly, one spotted hand on Clydas's arm as he shuffled forward with small careful steps. Around his thin neck his chain hung heavy, gold and silver links glinting amongst iron, lead, tin, and other base metals. "Jon Snow," he said, "you must tell me all you've seen and done when you are stronger. Donal, put a kettle of wine on the fire, and my irons as well. I will want them red-hot. Clydas, I shall need that good sharp knife of yours." The maester was more than a hundred years old; shrunken, frail, hairless, and quite blind. But if his milky eyes saw nothing, his wits were still as sharp as they had ever been. "There are wildlings coming," Jon told him, as Clydas ran a blade up the leg of his breeches, slicing the heavy black cloth, crusty with old blood and sodden with new. ... Jon winced as the maester's finger explored his wound, poking and prodding. ... Aemon's words hurt a hundred times worse than his fingers. ... Maester Aemon sniffed Jon's wound again. Then he put the bloody cloth back in the basin and said, "Donal, the hot knife, if you please. I shall need you to hold him still." I will not scream, Jon told himself when he saw the blade glowing red hot. But he broke that vow as well. Donal Noye held him down, while Clydas helped guide the maester's hand. Jon did not move, except to pound his fist against the table, again and again and again. The pain was so huge he felt small and weak and helpless inside it, a child whimpering in the dark. Ygritte, he thought, when the stench of burning flesh was in his nose and his own shriek echoing in her ears. Ygritte, I had to. For half a heartbeat the agony started to ebb. But then the iron touched him once again, and he fainted. ASoS, Jon VI, Chapter 48 Some observations: Clydas enables Maester Aemon to walk, "see" and he guides his hand. This may be part of the puppet symbolism (also found in that Dunk & Egg re-read thread and in interesting Pinocchio discussions led by The Fattest Leech in this forum). I didn't quote the line, but Clydas also provides milk of the poppy for Jon in this scene. I think Jon's trip to the Milkwater (a river) and the "milk" he drinks here are symbolic of his rebirth: milk is a food provided to babies. But this milk doesn't come from a mother's breast, it comes from a poppy. Could be wordplay here on "papa" - this is father's milk nourishing Jon. I haven't done a systematic analysis of other characters who ingest milk of the poppy, so the meaning could be something else. Clydas is bald, hunched and has rounded shoulders. In other words, egg-shaped. His close work with Maester Aemon, the description of Aemon's hand "on Clydas's arm" and this egg shape lead me to suspect that Clydas is a Targaryen symbol. Whether he is a Bloodraven manifestation, pulling Aemon's strings (guiding his hand), or a representative of Aemon who can represent him after the real Aemon leaves the Wall, I am not certain. GRRM tells us the Aemon's wits are sharp immediately after Aemon refers to needing Clydas's sharp knife. It could be that Clydas represents Aemon's wits. Aemon, Donal Noye and Clydas work together here to "stab" Jon with a red-hot dagger prepared by the important smith in the group. And that sharp knife belongs to Clydas. Azor Ahai has three heads? Jon might think of Ygritte as his flesh is burned with the knife, but it appears that he may be Nissa Nissa in this scenario. Of course, the point of this stabbing is not to temper the blade (as far as we know), or to sacrifice Jon as Nissa Nissa was sacrificed to perfect Lightbringer, but to stop Jon from bleeding to death. As far as we know. Aemon and Clydas also wash Jon in this scene. This reminds me of Egg drawing three baths for Ser Duncan the Tall in The Sworn Sword. The bathing may be connected to the Florian and Jonquil / Ser Galladon of Morne story, where the knight / fool sees the maiden bathing and she gives him a sword. Jon's old and new blood associated with Clydas. Interesting that Clydas cuts Jon's breeches. Torn fabric is an important symbol in ASOIAF and I have guessed that it represents the disintegration of the seven kingdoms. But it may represent the end of an old understanding about the world so that new clothes / fabric can replace the old. Think of Mance's cloak or the outfit that Septa Lemore and Tyrion sew onboard the Shy Maid. There is probably wordplay here on breech and breach - the latter is defined as a break or gap. But "breech" can also describe a baby that is born butt-first instead of head first. Soon, Clydas and Aemon will work with the midwife from Moles Town to treat the wounded during the wildling attack. In case the imagery of Jon's rebirth wasn't clear in this Noye / Aemon / Clydas scene, recall an earlier line from Toad, after Jon receives the sword, Long Claw: No sooner did he emerge than Pyp called out, "Well, come about, let's have a look." "At what?" Jon said. Toad sidled close. "Your rosy butt cheeks, what else?" "The sword," Grenn stated. "We want to see the sword." AGoT, Jon VIII, Chapter 60 Serving someone mulled or heated wine is also a big deal in ASOIAF - I don't know if it's symbolic of life support or a blood transfusion or some kind of communion of the spirit. There is a later scene where Jon wishes he still had friends, wishes he could drop in on Aemon for a cup of wine, and ends up sitting with Clydas where they discuss - ta da! - the flaming sword Lightbringer (ADwD, Jon III, Chapter 10). So rebirth but maybe Jon is also being "forged" as a sword by a Targaryen with king's blood, a mighty smith and - a random guy who feeds birds for a living? We have to assume Clydas has symbolic importance since his nominal role is too mundane for his key role in Jon's symbolic rebirth. But what does all of this sword and blood and rebirth stuff have to do with the Pink Letter? We know from the wise Tywin Lannister that, "Some battles are won with swords and spears, others with quills and ravens." Jon is talented and trained with a sword, but he is still learning how to effectively communicate with letters. Immediately after their Lightbringer chat, Jon leaves Clydas and returns to his room behind the armory (Donal Noye's former quarters) and begins the work of forging words - writing letters to Denys Mallister and Cotter Pyke. "The ink would not flow properly, and all his words seemed curt and crude and clumsy, yet he persisted" (ADwD, Jon III, Chapter 10). So the Pink Letter is not just a letter, it is a challenge to a duel. Jon has been practicing writing, but his skill with a quill is not as well-developed as his skill with a sword. What about Ramsay's skill with a sword? "I have seen my bastard fight. He is not entirely to blame. Reek was his tutor, the first Reek, and Reek was never trained at arms. Ramsay is ferocious, I will grant you, but he swings that sword like a butcher hacking meat" (ADwD, Reek III, Chapter 32). If you don't believe Ramsay wrote the pink letter, some people tentatively suggest that it may have come from Stannis. If so, the author might be trying to show us Jon Snow (probably the true Lightbringer) in a duel with Stannis, who may believe he has Lightbringer but, according to Maester Aemon, Stannis's Lightbringer is a fake. There is a range of other possibilities for the author of the pink letter (I have suggested Melisandre or a Karstark conspiracy in another recent thread). Thinking about the two curt and crude and clumsy letters Jon sent to Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister in ADwD Chap. 10, I have to wonder whether Mallister also should be considered as a potential writer of the pink letter: Jon receives two letters from Cotter Pyke just before receiving the pink letter; symmetry might suggest that he was owed a letter from Mallister at the opposite end of the Wall. Bowen Marsh was recently out that way (I think?) when he went to deal with the Weeper. Given Jon's need to develop skill with the quill and raven, it's possible that Clydas is a sort of Master-at-Arms for writing. We know that Jon had already been trained in swordsmanship when he arrived at the Wall, so Thorne couldn't teach him much about how to use a blade. It was Donal Noye who took him aside and taught him to use his sword skills to make friends; to help other Night's Watch recruits to develop their skills instead of humiliating them with his superior training. Maybe Clydas is that Master-at-Arms for ravens or for pens, left with the mission of trying to teach Jon to read for understanding. There's more about Clydas - I haven't explained yet about his usual pink coloring turning white when he delivers the pink letter, or Jon wanting to protect him from ice when he returns to his room. I think it's significant that Clydas and Chett worked together as assistants to Aemon. Chett is a weird echo of Ramsay Snow (except his goal in life is to take Craster's place, not to become Lord of Winterfell). Chett's father gathered and sold leeches to maesters, so the bleeding symbolism is strong there (and the parallel to Roose, with his leech obsession). Chett subsequently takes charge of the Night's Watch kennel, so the parallel to Ramsay as a hunter of women and keeper of hounds is also established. I don't think Clydas changed the pink letter, but he may have read it before delivering it to Jon. The contrast between Chett and Clydas suggests to me that the pink letter did come from Ramsay (team Chett) and that Clydas is on Jon's team (perhaps explaining why Clydas turns snow white when the letter arrives). The butcher motif also becomes part of the Clydas / Jon dynamic. In AGoT, after learning that Ned is accused of treason and that Robb has called the banners, Jon is sent to talk to Maester Aemon. Aemon and Clydas are feeding the ravens when Jon arrives, and Clydas hands Jon the bucket of meat cut into finger-sized pieces so Jon can take over the task of feeding the ravens. I think the feeding of finger-sized pieces of meat is another parallel to Ramsay, who cuts meat off of Theon's fingers and whose bride, Lady Hornwood, eats her own fingers after Ramsay imprisons her in a tower to starve to death. P.S. I almost forgot. I think the "huge, spiky hand" that describes Ramsay's handwriting in earlier letters is intended as wordplay. What is another name for a spike that appears on a hand? Maybe a claw? If it's a huge spike, it might be called a long claw. I think Ramsay's spiky hand is another clue for us that the letters to Jon Snow are intended as a challenge to a sword duel. Spiky hand vs. Long Claw.
  8. SansaJonRule

    dany

    That's what I thought momentarily, but proud mothers smile, they don't smirk. Yes, on the one hand Sansa was being petty, but on the other hand not, since they are faced with the very real possibility that the dragons will eat all the livestock which is there to feed the people. Dany's answer confirmed that she has no control over what they eat (remember what happened in Essos). She could have said simply that they hunt for their own food, but she took Sansa's bait and was clearly pleased with herself.
  9. darmody

    Episode 2 preview

    What was her beef with Tyrion in the first place? Oh yeah, he killed their mother. This is the level upon which Cersei's brain operates. There is zero reason to believe she thinks her unborn child's survival depends upon defeating the Night King. This is the woman who started an Inquisition because she was suspicious of her daughter-in-law's influence over her son, then blew up the city's holiest of holies to correct that mistake. Which caused her son to kill himself, oops.
  10. divica

    Episode 2 preview

    Whatever happened someone has to say why people thought she was kidnaped. Even if it is a stupid explanation there must be an explanation! There are a lot details that the show must explain. Like why rhaegar didn t say anything to defend himself? why lyanna didn t write a letter? why did they keep the marriage a secret after it was consumated? And I not mean they can just blame most of these things on aerys burning brandon and rickard. However someone has to say it.
  11. darmody

    Episode 2 preview

    Like Tommen? Cersei has probably convinced herself that the best way to keep her child safe is to murder her remaining family and let a zombie army eat the North. She's crazy. Tyrion should know that.
  12. UnViserion

    Rant and Rave Thread

    Lol yup many of my unsullied friends honestly try hard to keep up with the characters.. but still EASILY forget a third of the important characters who did big things but weren’t headliners.
  13. Claiming that there is no sexual tensiom because you don't perceive it is problematic because if you don't want too see it you won't. There is a reason Jon's father is Rheagar and not Ned. There is a reason Jon and Sansa took back Winterfell together. And there is a reason why someone who knows how to keep her mouth shut (Sansa) finds herself unable to around Dany. Subtext.
  14. Krishtotter

    Remorseful Jaime, Unrepentant Dany

    Saying "I'm sorry for your loss" is what I'm talking about. The qualifying word is 'your', because it is a loss to him whatever she thinks about the relative merits of taking that decision. She expressed no verbal or physical manifestation of human warmth towards him, as is normal in informing someone that their father and brother have both died brutal deaths. I didn't get the slightest hint of sympathy from her in that scene. Jorah's look, to me, was one of confusion and discomfort at why she had handled it in such a poor and uncaring fashion. Alternatively, it could be bad scripting. But you may be right about the last part. We shall see, I'm still open to being persuaded and as I say, Dany may still 'flip' the other way under the right guidance. She has both possibilities in her - heroism and villainy. Only at the end will we be able to look back, in retrospect, at her complicated character progression 'in the round'. None of us know where she will end up.
  15. darmody

    Episode 2 preview

    He is most certainly not responsible for Myrcella. Tyrion didn't accuse Tyrion of murdering his nephew. Tyrion didn't toy with the Mountain instead of killing him. Tyrion didn't make the Viper's mistress crazy/stupid or his brother weak. Nor did Tyrion stand there while his daughter was kissed in an obvious poisoning attempt like Jaime.
  16. MinscS2

    dany

    I did notice it, and saw nothing wrong with it. Dragons are source of "wonder and awe", and she got to see it in action. She looked more like a proud mom than someone who reveled in scaring commoners. Her answer to Sansas question was legit, because given the context, Sansas question was stupid and slightly arrogant, as she didn't even bother looking at Daenerys when she asked.
  17. DMC

    MLB Offseason 2018: Harper, Your Herald Boras Sings

    I'm sure they'll win, like, 50 of 70 after the ASB and go on to dominate in the playoffs. Boston and all their douchebags have had undeniable sports magic for almost 20 years now, definitely not ready to recalibrate expectations there.
  18. MinscS2

    Remorseful Jaime, Unrepentant Dany

    Not sure what response you wanted from her. For her to start crying and tell him she's sorry? Saying sorry would mean she regrets doing it, and she probably doesn't, at least not in regards to Randall. At least she didn't gloat about it either, merely stated it matter-of-factually, as soon as she found out who he was. My impression from that scene was that she did feel sympathy for Sam ("...not Randall Tarly?") as a grieving brother/son, but couldn't show it at the time. The look she and Jorah gave each other screamed of "Opsie / That could've gone better". Regardless, I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see some sort of scene in the next episode which will soothe the tension between these three.
  19. SansaJonRule

    dany

    Did you notice the self-satisfied smirk on her face when her dragons flew over immediately after Jon reminded her that northeners don't like outsiders? Her answer to Sansa's question about what dragons eat...her actions were restrained, but the underlying attitude still seems to be there.
  20. I assume you didn't mention Giannias as a potential candidate because he will win this year and is unlikely to win two years in a row. Otherwise, how dare you snub the Greek Freak! Anyway, re: the playoffs. All I know is it's really insane to go from getting booted in the first round 8 consecutive playoff appearances to likely to sweep the first round and make the finals. Go Bucks
  21. SansaJonRule

    Remorseful Jaime, Unrepentant Dany

    Yes, it was. She didn't even soften when he started to cry. My heart was breaking for Sam (cuz not only is his brother dead, what does it mean for his mother and sister?) I wanted to strangle her! At least she had the grace to grant him permission to leave when he asked.
  22. darmody

    Episode 2 preview

    I would prefer a fuller explanation, but it's not difficult to piece together. Rhaegar was married; Lyanna was betrothed. They eloped because they were mad with love and did something stupid. There wasn't really time to tell the truth because the rebellion started while they were on their honeymoon.
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  24. MinscS2

    Song of Ice and Fire

    It could be Jon. It could be Jon and Daenerys. It could be Rhaegar and Lyanna. It could be a metaphor for death (ice) and life (fire). It could simply be Ice and Fire, seeing as both "elements" are very prominent throughout the series. We don't know yet.
  25. Krishtotter

    Remorseful Jaime, Unrepentant Dany

    The lack of any 'normal' level of human empathy was the real killer here. Compare when Sam told Jon, "I'm so sorry..." Jon said in response, his face clearly emotional and moved. That's all it takes - Dany could easily have said, "I'm sorry for your loss, as a queen in time of war I must make hard decisions and accept responsibility for them" etc. etc. and shown a bit of warmth on her face, of feeling. Especially since this was the very man who had saved Jorah's life and moments before she'd just been commending him! But no, she just tells him with plain, emotionless, self-righteous indignation and not a shred of sympathy - oblivious to the trauma he was going through processing this information out-of-the-blue. It was disturbing, and obviously must have been acted with the intent of conveying that. The way she delivered this information, no matter your verdict on the original act, was 'abnormal' and cold. Remember how Jon consoled her when she lost her dragon and was in tears at the bedside? "Dany, I'm so sorry, I'm so so sorry..." he even swore allegiance to her in that moment. The difference is "stark" (pun intended). Jon acted like any 'normal' person would upon seeing another person in tears at losing a loved one.
  26. darmody

    Episode 2 preview

    Ned surely acted like his sister had been abducted when he showed up to fight Ser Twoswords.
  27. MinscS2

    Samwell Tarly stole the spotlight.

    Well they did kidnap and imprison her, and was about to sentence her to death-by-rape. Most people would feel triumphant and smug in her position.
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