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  2. My god this episode is painful to watch. This whole sequence of Tyrion brooding in the cell telling Jon how he loved dany with all his heart... seriously... this season has been all "telling" without "showing" were they really this out of idea....
  3. Not happening in the books IMO. D&D’s ridiculous Sansa storyline was appeasement for destroying Dany’s female leader narrative. And do you really think GRRM will make a Stark (the last surviving son of Ned) king of Westeros and then have an independent North with Sansa as ruler. Why would the Northmen want independence from a kingdom that is ruled by the actual heir to the North? Baffling to say the least.
  4. darmody

    The purpose of R+L=J?

    When did we see her training to be the Flash/Olympic long-jumper? Why didn't she use these skills to get away from Terminator Waif?
  5. Except he’s a terrible choice for king. He’s not even Bran anymore. He’s the 3 eyed raven. Is he even a human? I thought he was a magical creature who would merge with a tree one day. I would rather have had Edmure.
  6. I guess we'll have a better answer once the books are released, but one still has to answer, was it really worth it to not cast Arianne, Victarion, etc? They had their ratings, but everybody's hating the show right now.
  7. The small folk will be happy if there is peace and their bellies are full. Since when does charisma make a good ruler? Hitler was very charismatic. And he doesn't need to be charismatic to be a good leader. Ultimately, he needs to make good decisions that will make life for the Westerosi people the best it can be.
  8. Bran the Shipper

    Bran Truly Was The Best Possible Choice To Rule

    Bran is not a pure good character, he uses others as tools despite the trauma it causes them. Before he became the Three Eyed Raven he did this to Hodor. Using his body so that he could walk around despite knowing that it terrified Hodor whenever he did this. Then he uses his power as the 3ER to manipulate events so that he becomes king. If he truly didn't want to become king he would not have journeyed south with Sansa, but he did knowing full well what awaited him. Why tell Jon about his parentage if all that comes of it is that it drives a rift between Jon and Dany and eventually results in Jon killing her. Knowing that this would tear Jon apart inside. But it leads to Bran becoming king so he forced the truth out. It just seems awfully convenient that everyone that has hurt Bran ends up dead, but his family and friends all have a relatively happy ending. Also Bran must have grabbed some major power to not only allow Sam to become a maester but to then name him Grand Maester. The position of Grand Maester is supposed to be selected by the citadel and I doubt the would choose a disgraced thief as their representative.
  9. darmody

    The purpose of R+L=J?

    Was it Bran's plan to drive her crazy? Otherwise, why did he insist it come out immediately before the battle?
  10. Winter prince

    Purpose of the wall now ?

    That's basically what happened. He wasnt punished but Greyworm bought off on it is apparently the narrative there.
  11. Missyskates

    Praise without Repercussion, Final Edition

    I like the sprouting of grass at the wall
  12. darmody

    As much as some hate how this season has played out...

    I already dropped the Walking Dead after Carl died. Game of Thrones I'm happy it's gone now. I might miss it at some point, but know I can always read the books if I get a hankering.
  13. Trigger Warning

    The purpose of R+L=J?

    So she's super fast but literally only shows it in that one moment in that one scene? Is that why the faceless men are so good at killing, because they're fast and be sneaky at the same time, not the magical ability to switch faces? And D&D said they've known Arya will kill him for like 3 seasons, that line is absolutely being retroactively applied to this, blue, green and brown eyes are pretty much most eyes. That line was not foreshadowing at all it's only foreshadowing in retrospective.
  14. Before I begin, I just want to thank all the people who left a “like” on my prior review of Episode 5. From what I can gather it had over 40 likes which, from my memory, makes it the most liked comment about any episode. I really appreciate that. I hope I can finish strong. As for tonight... So.. I mean… the episode itself … it wasn’t like drinking turpentine or having your groin attacked by piranha or having to sit through season 5 again, was it? No. I actually thought the finale was the best episode of the season; it answered all of our questions; it ended the story; it started the chapters of the next stories and it basically gave us enough to know where our characters are headed (answer for most: into something really, really dumb). This episode did not make me wish for early death; it did not make me yell at my TV; it did not make me laugh so hard at myself that I cried. No. It was almost mediocre which makes it EASILY the best episode since The Door. It was still sucky, but watching a bunch of idiots act like smart people was practically Hamlet compared to the river of waste we saw in the previous 3 episodes. ANYWAY… let’s, for the last time, light this one up” WHAT I LIKED The Road To Hell …: The central message to Dany’s demise was laid by the best character the show had, Tyrion, when he said, in effect, they created this Frankenstein’s monster. And while this REAKS of apologetics (that I will not let the show get away with- see below), there is some level of truth to it. A person who believes that they are right; who believes in a righteous cause; who believes they have “history on our side” who thinks its okay to punch somebody in the face if you can convince people that that person is “evil;” who think that they can do terrible and horrifying things because, well, they want to “change things” then the rise and fall of Dany Targaryen makes more sense (it still makes no sense, mind you). I thought the way Tyrion expressed Dany’s state of mind was extremely well crafted and sensible. Dany did what she did because she believed she was fighting evil and those who believe they are in a battle with evil can justify their atrocities. Dany- like a person who wishes to censor people who utter unwelcome thoughts - believed she was acting for the best because she knew what was best. For everyone else. TO ME I think that the most apt metaphor in world history would be either the French Revolution or the Russian Revolutions where the ruling class was decimated- root and stem – by people who wanted to “break the wheel.” The French desired to destroy monarchy; the Communists desiring for the workers of the world to unite and throw off their chains. Both brought untold misery and destruction to their brave new worlds. To me, Dany makes the most sense if she is seen on her dragon as a French democrat or a Marxist or as a common era Social Justice Warrior who claims that in order to get the world we want we have to destroy the world we know. Yeah, it never quite works out that way. Sure your dragons may burn a few generations into the ground but you can never change human nature. I thought the show delivered on that piece. The Medium-Sized Counsel: While it made little sense, the meeting at the fire pit I thought was very well done. Tyrion and Jon’s lives are in the balance; I liked how the idea of creating an elective monarchy (not unheard of) was a good touch. I LIKED how Sansa ends up as Queen (not gonna lie, its also sort of lame, but I like Sansa). I though the scene was well done, easy and did not go too deep. Also, liked how when Sam mentioned Democracy, they all laughed at him because … because that’s not how you break the wheel. Good eye. Black Worm: Not everyone comes out for the better. I like how the war made Grey Worm a hard, bitter, angry and violent man. I like that he has no mercy left in him having lost his woman, his Queen and his way. All that's left is the husk of a once good man. Called The Ghost: I said after Jon gave that SUPER lame exit with Ghost that it left open that Jon would return to the Wall after it was all said and done, and I was right. The Book: LOVED that Brienne wrote Jaime’s page in the book and made sure to take two pages. And while he was the Kingslayer he died “Protecting his Queen.” Nice touch. Tyrion Lannister: If there was one character I thought the show saved from its own MONUMENTAL ineptitude, it was Tyrion. That’s in part because of the actor, no doubt. But its also because the show, at the end, kept Tyrion true to his core values; he’s not wicked, he’s not cruel or greedy or even mean. He just wants some level of fairness in this universe. I think Tyrion stayed true to himself while everything – and almost everyone – around him got fucked. I think that’s because the show-runners knew that 1) he was a fan favorite and 2) he was well written by Martin to begin with. They had more to use and appreciate. I liked how he stood up for what was right and then got paid off. Sure, that was semi-ridiculous, but he had one Hand to play so he did the best he could with it. What I Am On the Fence About: Visit Tyrion? We need all your weapons. Visit the Queen? That bazooka You’re Carrying is Good: So, I thought Dany’s end was strangely sad but also REALLY underwhelming. And maybe that was the point. I liked how she finally touched the throne (which she did not do in her season 2 vision). I think the show telegrapher her death 16 miles away by having her specifically NOT sitting in the chair. Further, when Jon walked in he’s got his sword and like 3 knives. So we know what’s going to happen. And somewhere in the back of my mind I heard Jaime say “A Queen should die harder than this…” Kit Harrington was awful. I think he’s not a great actor, but clearly, the material they had for him was terrible. Supposedly MANY actors on the show were unhappy with the final season; the guy who played Varys said as much; Harrington said he would not miss the show at all and Clark gave a SUPER awkward interview for E!. And part of that was how bad the writing got and really it was apparent in that scene with Dany. Sure, Dany said a few things that were nice and sentimental and almost passable, but that scene with Dany exemplified the woodenness of the actors in how they are unable to overcome the bad writing and direction. Dany’s last scene was nice but also very cringe-worthy for those reasons. Also, Drogon should have lit him up, right? That was just major bullshit, right? And no stop-and-frisk the guy who has been acting SUPER sketchy for the last day or so? Nah, he’s good! All Hail King Also-(B)Ran: All I can say is … “meh.” I mean, he’s not an AWFUL choice for King but … he’s kind of a lame (no pun intended) choice. He’s basically King because he has magic powers. Which is fine, b/c Dany was sort of the same way, but he didn’t have anything to do with this. He was basically a decoy for the Night’s King; he was MIA for most of the show; he did not even show up an entire season. I don’t hate the choice, I just think it was, much like the way the show was in the end, extremely mediocre. All Hail, King Bran The Marginally Acceptable! The End of the Six Kingdoms: I think Sansa always planned the way she would exit But I also think that she would have kept the North in had they named her Queen. Regardless, I thought this was an “Oh, by the way…” moment that lacked any weight. Sort of like “Oh, we’re leaving and because it’s the last episode, it doesn’t matter.” This should have been a major blow, but felt tacked on. What I Hated: Cue the Music: I thought that other than Sansa being made Queen, the final scenes were void of anything meaningful. What do we do with Arya! Why, we make her a sailor, of course! Because maritime adventuring was always in her blood! Said nobody ever! Why is Jon wandering into the woods! Because he always wanted to settle Cataan! Of course! Why is Bran King? Meh… Oh, right, forgot I said that already. But it was meaningful and important! Why? Because the show told us with swelling music! Like we were too stupid to figure out the show was over! See, it's meaningful that the last shot (sort of) was exactly like the first one except THE OPPOSITE!!! SEE???? Its come full circle! Thanks I almost missed that ham-fisted trope you brought me back to, you talentless … billionaires… fuck. See, they cannot write anything meaningful; they cannot show us anything meaningful, they cannot make anything meaningful, so they just show random images of Starks walking and then ... swell the music!!!! In a fucking SUPER lame way of trying to get us to FEEL something. But we're numb. The show was not good and nothing they did could put their mess back together again. The fact they relied on the music "See??? This is important!! You can tell ebcause the music is getting louder!!!!" Not because they wrote anything memorable or well done or anything like that. No. That would have required skill. Instead of the story telling us or the actors showing us... the MUSIC has to tell us something is important. The ending was like wall-paper paste; it went on smoothly and without a hitch, but never inspired anything worthwhile. It tried to make my heart think I was watching something great but in the end, I was just listening to the music. It was a lame trick and my mind was not falling for it. Nice trye. And Sailor Arya is fucking stupid. The Nonsense of It All: This is a small thing but once again it shows how much the writers hate the audience and takes us for dupes. The main reason Jon had to be sent to the Wall, we were told, was to keep the Unsullied happy. Okay, that makes some sense. Davos says that the Unsullied should “settle the Reach” which is so fucking stupid because they are eunuchs, but that would require somebody to think of something. Regardless, as bad as that would all be, Jon has to be sent to the Wall (or what’s left of it) because of the Unsullied. Fine. THE. Very. Next. Scene. We see Grey Worm saying to his men that they are sailing for the Isle of Naarth. WTF!!!! Why is Jon being sent to Northern Purgatory again? Because the Unsullied need to be mollified? Why, they are leaving! I sincerely doubt The King-Like Substance of Bran I is supervising an expedition into Naarth. So it safe to assume they are relocating there. SO… if that’s the case. Why do we care what they think of where Jon is?!?!?!?! Just recall him! God this show sucks. You Cannot Un-Ring The Bells: If there is a major flaw in this episode its that it tries- and utterly fails – to justify the prior episode by saying that Dany was bad and that they could make everything right again. Well, no. Instead of having a glorious conclusion to the show, Jon just stabs Dany because that’s all that could be done (other than, you know, having Arya put on Gray Worm’s face and killing Dany and then blaming it on the real Gray Worm). But the point is the show tried to make it all okay in the last episode. Except… it isn’t. The show still felt like it had no idea what it was doing and the end feels like a continuation of that mindless wandering. They may have found a few notable points, but in the end, they seemed like they had to end it this way because it was the simplest way to end this train wreck: bury the dead. Look at the final scene with Dany and Jon: why do they love each other? I never felt for a second that the two of them had anything romantic; the actors never had any chemistry. The show was so bad at SHOWING me they loved each other that they resorted to having to TELL ME they loved each other. So when he is kissing her, its forced and I find it hard to believe that Dany would believe it. The show ruined Dany for that ending because it had no idea how else to end this show. So it sacrificed Dany on that alter and we are now made to believe that that makes this “bittersweet.” How? You ruined it and then expect me to celebrate your carnage? Dany was a great character and you needed an ending so you made her go haywire and are now trying to say, “Well, see, it was kinda because…” No. You don’t get to ruin the character and then cover it up like Watergate. We saw it; we all saw what you did. The ending does not take away that this was generally a very bad season, coming off the heels of season 7 which was also underwhelming. The problem is that the ending does not make this part of the journey any more forgivable. Episode: B- Season: D- Which leads us to…. Was it worth it? IF I had to do it all over again; if I got to experience all of this again knowing what I know now, FUCK YEAH! If only for the fan reactions to the Red Wedding! Seasons 1-3 are masterpieces. Utter masterpieces. Season 4 is great too! Seasons 5-6 are wretch-inducing with only a minor rebound in season 7 before the tragedy now in season 8. Was that worth it? Of course. Why? Because this show existed because of us. By “us” I mean the book readers. But for us nobody gets this. WE did this; WE were the ones that bought those first 3 books in a sea of other, completely forgettable shit sci-fi fantasy. WE pushed this envelope; WE supported the author and made his stock get so high that a show seemed all but assured. WE did that. If his books sat in that mid-range level, there is no Emelia Clark getting stabbed in the belly (good call back, btw; God Jamie rocked); there is no Bran the Broken; there is no Red Wedding reaction shots; there is no arguments over what did THIS mean or could THAT have been done better… … there’s also no shitty rape-scene excuses and no fucking wasting my time in Dorne etc.. but come on! Most of it was watchable and of the stuff that was watchable, 75% of THAT was incredible! Ranking the seasons: 3,2,4,1,6,7,8,5 Final Word: You fucked up Stannis. That’s when I should have known. I should have known then that you were not capable of getting this right. Regardless, they nailed the early stuff, they filled in a few blanks, improved some things, and when the books ran out of the paved road, they were lost. OVERALL SERIES GRADE: B+ Ensconced in the second-tier of very good shows. Thanks for reading. See you all for Winds of Winter, likely on shelves in 2023
  15. SansaJonRule

    The purpose of R+L=J?

    Yes, quite obvious. It was also just part of her character arc. She sees her father and other people she cared about killed at a young age, her mother and brother are killed, revenge becomes her reason for existence. It also gives us one more person to speculate will kill Cersei, and then in the end Sandor shows her that living for revenge is no way to live. Now she's off to live a life of adventure like she wanted to when she was a child (and is an open ending that could result in a spin off show).
  16. Bran will be welded to the tree in TWoW. He already has the weirwood in his body.
  17. darmody

    So what was this long story all about?

    Bran had the best story, surely. That's why he MISSED AN ENTIRE SEAON OF THE SHOW.
  18. GeorgeIAF

    So what was this long story all about?

    Bran is corrupted by Bloodraven ... so basically we have a Targ bastard in charge.
  19. So the moral of the story is... those who do nothing get all the rewards... and those that fight tooth and nail and make the biggest sacrifices get punished and shunned... i think this is just tragic. Sansa did nothing to save the kingdom and become Queen... Bronn does nothing to save the kingdom and gets all the gold and highgarden... Bran did nothing but stare at people and becomes king... Sam did very little in the battle of winterfell and nothing for the battle of kinglanding and becomes Maestar of Kings landing (did his night watch vows get forgotten) ... Jon sacrifices everything including his life to save the north, he did everything in his power to stop danny being another tyrant, He gets shunned and punished for all his actions. Arya just disappears on a boat. Tyrion and Brienne had the only good finishing arcs in this story.
  20. teej6

    So what was this long story all about?

    The best ruler is the one with the best story or some shit like that. It’s what masquerades as philosophy in D&D world. Funny how D&D dissed magic up until they decided the wizard should be King.
  21. GeorgeIAF

    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    I can see this as GRRM's ending, the way they arrived at it s very meh.
  22. Proudfeet

    Rothfuss XIV: The Slow Regard of Luna Lovegood

    I think it has something to do with not having super long threads where it could be intimidating for members who haven't been keeping up to join in the discussion. It is max 400 posts but sometimes the mods just let it go for awhile if its not a particularly fast moving thread. You can make the next thread if you want to name it. Yours is the 400th post already.
  23. And Essos scenes have been missing for two seasons, outside of a few name drops. What will happen there? Will the former slaves come back to have revenge on the brutal murder of the Breaker of Chains?
  24. Winter prince

    So what was this long story all about?

    That's why I'm not sure on this. How do his powers work when theres no weirwood trees besides the isle of faces in the south
  25. I've seen some people defending Bronn being the Lord of Highgarden and Master of Coin because "Lannisters pay their debts" so obviously I'm dumb for questioning it, just missed that, not like the nobility of the Reach would just be cool with some rando sellsword ruling over them or anything. These are the people that D&D pander too and I feel like arguing with them just insults my own intelligence. They don't care that all the depth and nuance is gone and anyone that questions it is just whining and too hard to please.
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