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  2. Ser Loras The Gay

    Loose ends

    Even the tits departament was a little off last and this season.
  3. Erkan12

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    If you think Blackfish would do that for that purpose, I say you're delusional. According to you Blackfish is kind of LF politician not a legendary knight.
  4. rotting sea cow

    [Poll] How would you rate episode 806?

    Of course. Surely there might be some nazi iron eagle on front of the Nuremberg rally. Dany is now Westeros Hitler. It is known.
  5. #FreeGhost

    Loose ends

    Was Howland Reed still alive? Was the whole R+L=J a plot device to make Jon's eventual 'obscurity' more bittersweet? What exactly was the device used to respawn Unsullied soldiers after every battle?
  6. Jova Snow

    Heresy 221 and the Children of Winterfell

    True, and I an glad I am not the only one who thought Ned Dayne could be Ned Starks, why would an eleven years old boy seek the new Hand of the King and observe his children? @LynnS I would say Taena is in her twenties since the text compare her to Arianne (through their titts)
  7. i had difficulty reconciling the principle that i discerned in the seinfeld finale with how i had understood the show, which means that my interpretation of the show diverged significantly from the writers' interpretation. that doesn't make it bad, or anyone wrong--just that it didn't hit the right notes for me. it was kinda the same with the x-files, which developed several competing principles as the years went on and the show evolved. maybe trials are kinda not the best ending, either--especially for a show that is about people who can't be held accountable--which is the identity underlying both seinfeld and the x-files, perhaps having some applicability to feudal aristocrats and absolute monarchs. breaking bad and californication had effective final episodes, but they were part of seasons that seemed to degenerate from the prior standard, rushing, perhaps, or recklessly tacked on, merely cumulation without logical relation to the history of the program, in my reading. the BSG remake finale was just kinda wut in some of its unforeseeable and therefore unearned particulars. the game of thrones finale suffered from all three of these potential defects. that said, it was still kinda kickass. i dig the stark kid's dispositions.
  8. David Selig

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    The part in bold is incorrect. Here is what a scout from the army told Cat when she came back to Riverrun from Renly" Good older thread on this topic -
  9. Erkan12

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    What do you understand of ''hold the Riverrun''? So you can go out there and fight? It seems you don't know, Lannisters had more men than they had, Edmure had no right to risk the lives of Robb's men. Edmure is King Robb's subject, and Robb is King of the Trident as well, not only North. Edmure defied a direct order and Robb's men died for his stupiditiy. Robb didn't need to tell him anything, hold Riverrun was more than enough. Especially risking another battle with Lannister army without getting any order from Robb was stupid. As Blackfish says, he is an idiot.
  10. The Marquis de Leech

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    And while we're at it, Robb has a seriously bad habit of blaming others for his own mistakes. Him yelling at Theon for saving Bran's life was appalling.
  11. Dragonslack

    Loose ends

    1) It was all just for shock and awe and it was in the books. 2) That is a different show called the long night. 3) Just for some exposition, and looking at girls in the shower and most of all apparently to make him king lol. 4) Tits and dragons is the basis of this show. Remember she came out naked.
  12. Vashon

    Dany does not have to go to Westeros

    She doesn't have to be there. Her story arch can sum up to one Westerosi after another begging for her aid for one reason to another, and her just laughing at them, or feeding them to a dragon. Up to and including the long winter to come and pleas from the Night's Watch. "Please help, the evil Others and their undead army are killing us" "According to the histories I know of, they never attack Essos like that, it was just a weather problem, it looks to me like a Westerosi problem, probably something to do with the former inhabitants or something" "Please help" "No, but you are welcome to come over to Essos, awful lot of space after I united the place, I'm about to go over the Bone Mountains and conquer that too. You know, the cooler weather has made the rain fall further south, and has rejuvenated much of the Dothraki Sea, and I hear even the lands of the Red Wastes have been seeing rainfall" "No, I don't wanna live in Essos" "I've sent a delegation North of the Wall, asking if that massive army of the dead if meant to come to Essos. They say they are just taking Westeros back from a bunch of oathbreaking, genocidal invaders and are gonna Make Westeros Wild Again. You are welcome to come to Essos, the Red Waste have been greening again" She isn't obligated to be the Manic Dragon Dream Girl come to save the Westerosi bois. She isn't obligated to solve their problems for them. She isn't obligated to give up everything she has built for herself and the people she likes just because Westerosi done fucked up. Heck, she could even demand the contents of the Citadel to be spread around and given to every city, copied and transcripted, as payment to allow Maesters to run around pretending they are special. They aren't, Essos likely has multiple cities that crap all over the Citadel by now. You know those subversions you like so much? This could be the ultimate subversion. The so called savior of Westeros, with her dragons, doesn't even bother trying to claim the Iron Throne, and casts down everyone who keeps bugging her about it. She instead unites the Dothraki, and conquers Essos and breaks slavery, everywhere, in a Genghis Khan style conquest. She's nobodies savior.
  13. i said i wans not there to tell you if the show was well written or not, i have my opinion, i think yours is not the same, and i donnot want to force you to think like i do. However, i think i can tell you that Game of Thrones is indeed a show about politics. It's like we were shown a photography of, let's say.... Madonna. I will not tell you what to think about the artistic qualities of the photo, but if you say that the person on the picture is Arnold Schwarzenegger, i feel i have to tell you that it's not.
  14. Larger than Average Finger

    Loose ends

    Exactly, saying Jon played no role in beating the dead, is like saying Eisenhauer, Patton, Zhukov, Montgomery played no role in beating the Germans because none of them were the one who killed Hitler.
  15. Well, the show did do R+L=J. And R+L=J was very important as a root cause in escalating Dany's paranoia ("They love Jon more than me, and he also has a superior claim, so I must take forceful action to ensure I am queen"). I'm not sure what's meant by "balanced," or "war of the Targaryen Succession." One interesting point is that the show's HOTU visions did have the synopsis sequence, which was: 1. Dany goes to King's Landing 2. In a shattered throne room, she reaches for the throne 3. Then she goes north to the Wall and dies But the show then reversed 2 and 3. First Dany went north, then she came back to King's Landing, reached for the throne, and died. I suspect this happened simply because GRRM told them fairly late, as the third "holy shit" moment, this: "Jon kills Dany." So they asked themselves why that would happen and season eight is what they came up with. That is, after defeating Night King, Dany proves to be an insane monarch. And thus they reversed their prior sequence, contradicting the synopsis and probably also the books.
  16. Ser Drewy

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    And it's very likely Robb and Blackfish tear into him so hard over the Tywin situation because they need it as a cover for Robb's own major blunder: betraying his marriage promise to the Freys. Edmure is an easy target, and it takes the spotlight of Robb's much more serious political mistakes.
  17. The Marquis de Leech

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    Holding Riverrun means holding Riverrun. Which Edmure did. Honestly, he should have pointed at the banners and said "do those look like Lannister lions to you?" Having a chain of command doesn't obligate Edmure to be a mind-reader.
  18. Aurane

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    Isn't Robyn the amongst the most experienced Great Lords now? He's definitely the Longest serving lord of a great house. If he's matured, he'd probably be the best choice. House Arryn would probably be the best choice to rule. They usually don't go to war, lack the fear of being invaded, and have relatively fewer grudges against other houses. This would make them a good choice for a fair neutral rule. It would also be thematically interesting with Jon being dead at a funeral at the beginning of the show and Robyn a split second away from being crowned at a coronation. I'm not sure if I'm saying this ironically, but screw it, it doesn't matter. Send property gains taxes and arbitrage pricing theory though the Moon Door!!
  19. That genuinely comforts me. Still nervous mind. I hope they don't fill it up with cgi like Jackson did with The Hobbit movies, and rather keep the same production values he had with the LotR trilogy.
  20. Dragonslack

    So...what was the final WTF moment ?

    The dragon picking her up like he did.
  21. Erkan12

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    He said stay at Riverrun and don't engage a battle when they had less men than the Lannister have. Holding a castle means staying at the castle for a potential siege, it doesn't mean you can go out and fight when you've less men than your opponent have.
  22. I disagree, i think it was a very good scene, and it was necessary for a part of the audience. The "show don't tell" approach is a good approach but it's not always enough. When Daenerys got mad, a lot of people told themselves and their surroundings exactly what Tyrion said in the last episode, but, there was also a chunk of the audience whou was not able to do it, a lot of people in denial who did not want to see the truth, so it had to be told. The show showed us, and then he also told us because some do not want to see what has been shown to them. The second Tyrion monologue however, about the choice of Bran is, in my opinion, a bit more problematic. The "Bran is a good choice because he has no personal ambition" part was okay, it had been shown and told, but the "Bran is a good choice because he is our collective memory" part was a little bit more clunky i think
  23. David Selig

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    The book doesn't say it, Robb and the Blackfish were saying it and they were too proud to admit it was them who were at fault. They were probably entertaining some ideas to guilt Edmure into a political marriage too. Cat never said Edmure is in the wrong in this case. Edmure is Lord Paramount of the Riverlinds, he is supposed to defened his lands. And Robb never told him "Stay in Riverrun, and never venture out". This is not a modern war, Robb was far away and Edmure had to make decisions on his own without having the luxury of a radio communication with HQ at all times. This is ridiculous. If you are the supreme commander and you leave a junior commander in charge of your forces in a region without telling him the plan which is largely based on the junior commander acting in a highly specific way, and you go somewhere where you can't communicate with them without a week passing, if not more, it's your fault and you are incompetent. Period.
  24. ummester

    Loose ends

    I think the last episode heavily implies that Bran is pulling some strings. The books also imply Mel's visions are from the 3 eyed Raven. It's possible all of the magical events are connected to the CotF and the 3ER and there is no magic outside of that. Red Priests are just leaching of residual visions from the wiernet, and any dead brought back to life are leaching of residual NK power. Bran might know all of this and just not tell anyone - keeping the power to himself. He was exactly where he needed to be - mostly at Danys side, gaining her trust, so that she trusted him enough to be able to stab her in the finale. That's my take. Seems muddied in the show - to become the King? I recon in the books the CotF might somehow manipulate the situation to insert him as King. I don't think we will ever get an answer on this. I recall GRRM said it was a one off - I think the whole point of the dragons was to give Dany power that wasn't directly hers and add that dimension to her character so she could feel more powerless alongside Jon. I have a feeling that GRRM had an idea for how Dany would play out which is similar to what we saw and added the Others as a kind of counterbalance. I think he knew he wanted a fire goddess to match Frost's poem and make a narrative point about idealism gone bad and and then he just jotted down the Others (Neverdead, frozen demons) as an Ice counterpoint and never fully fleshed out where they would end up. Interesting re Frosts poem: But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice Jon is back in the north, where it is icy and has already died once. He now knows enough of hate, from his Targ experience. Bran may be setting up a new Night King.
  25. Erkan12

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    Bran has supernatural powers. He was even the no.1 target for the Night King for that reason, Edmure is just an idiot and incompetent at everything.
  26. Dragonslack

    Edmure Should Have Got It

    Yes that was a majestic piece of intrigue by Sansa as usual, piss off your uncle, now leader of a vast region. It was just for laughs too, the only thing missing was Sansa looking at the camera and a canned laugh track. Yes he was a complete incompetent and buffoon. I could say the same about Jon, blunder after blunder. But at least this guy wants power, and after all that he did not die! He is also the right age. If it was a vote for a puppet king, then he is perfect, so you are right. Also in a strategic middle position, known by all players, unlike the boytree Bran the cripple. Remember silly DD actually had them offer it to Tyrion the failure, the prisoner first!
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