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  2. Eltharion21

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    Nobody is perfect, what Westeros needs now more than ever is "God of Tits and Wine"
  3. I think so, yes. But i also fear that it wont be untill 2022 that there will be any WoW
  4. Bernie Mac

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    Robert gave his brothers too much power and in turn they both rebelled against the throne. The guy went hunting instead of dealing with Starks and Lannisters fighting in the streets of Kings Landing and the Riverlands. The realm is hardly on the up and up, Bran just gave a third of its land away without a fight. Kings who increase the size of the kingdom are lauded, Kings who decrease the size of the kingdom are belittled. Because he usurped the throne from the rightful heirs to the throne, Viserys and Dany. He's a usurper.
  5. T and A

    GRRM's (Brief) Thoughts on the Final Episode

    People tend to forget the backlash that Feast and Dance got after the two were published, precesely for the characters introduced and the ongoing of the story, way before the show was even a thing. Those two books weren't neccesseraly the masterpieces some people here act like they were. Yeah, sure, some likes these books, but a huge fanbase also didn't.
  6. Ydra Stark

    *SPOILERS* Jon useless information

    Maybe fAegon and Dany will team up as the Fire side, The stark children will follow Bran as the Ice side. The war will end, but suddenly the North are at war with the South. Jon (if RLJ is true in the books) will come in betwene them, being both fire and ice. He will stop the last war, they will establish a new kingdom (whoever is left alive) Jon returns to the North and he creates the kingdom of Scotland, King Jon the Bastard
  7. Thorbearius

    New Zealand

    This really got my hopes up. He has (understandably) been very cagey about when we might get to read the next book, and now suddenly he (sort of) promises that it will out by next summer. Either he got overexcited by New Zeeland, let his guard down and spoke prematurely, or the book is really coming within the year
  8. This rant was quite enjoyable. I agreed with everything he said about the pacing and tedium, especially.
  9. ummester

    The Ending Was very conventional

    I thought melting pot was a fairly recent US term that has nothing to do with the longer history of Western culture. The benefits of the West are from a long linage of Western ideals built upon from one civilization to the next. Just as I suspect the benefits of modern Eastern cultures are (though I have never lived them). There is also a difference between multiple ethnic groups integrating into and adapting to the greater traditional ideals of a host culture (which is something I have no issue with and arguably increases the resilience of a civilization) and the idea of multiculturalism (which is a deeply flawed, regressive, culture breaking concept). When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Forgetting that simple idea was a big part of why Rome fell - and yes I know the phrase was coined after that fall but the message is the same.
  10. Ydra Stark

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    i dont think Jon left the NW, we see Jon riding in to castle black, with only the Wildlings waiting for him. At that time he realises that there isn't a NW anymore, nor is it ever coming back. So he understands that is was The last offer of peace for him, given by Tyrion and Bran. he leaves Westeros with the Wildlings, to live with them. That was the plan of Tyrion and Bran all along. So Jon could live out his days free, and not to worry about politics or people wanting to follow him because he is in fact the rightfull heir. He would be a danger to democracy, not himself, but people wanting to follow him because he is a Targ. He is now with the wildlings, chilling out prob living as King beyond the Wall, and making love to some hot red haired girl with messy teeth. REDEMPTION FOR THE SAVER OF THE REALM.
  11. Cron sounds suspiciously like Crow though
  12. Ser Quork

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I think they would if Bran makes a substantive and quantifiable difference to the war, for example., using the ravens to scout positions or using his ability to see elsewhere to gain advantages for their own armies. He did sit as Lord of Winterfell before Theon took over the castle so he does have some of that experience too. I mean - it could work if it's told properly.
  13. Maia

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Isn't Davos conveniently fetching one for him? And it is fairly useful, since he, at least, is aware of the danger of the Others and can start to prepare the North for it, though with only a very partial success. Indeed not. That's the whole point - the "ungrateful northeners" plot fits Stannis's arc far more than Dany's. Nor is there really time for him to march south, if GRRM is serious about the Long Night. If he is not, well, anything can happen, but IMHO the incessant squabbling for power is getting fairly boring and repetitive. There is a full roster of people fighting in the south already. Why? Massey didn't even leave yet and it is very doubtful that he'd be able to find many sellswords willing to go fight in the North in winter, particularly not if they have to land as far north as Eastwatch. Especially since there is currently a recruitment craze in southern Essos. And if Davos brings Rickon, Stannis will have the White Harbour Port to use, which is a far more reasonable place to land an army, supposing that Massey actually manages to hire one eventually and chooses to bring it to Stannis, rather than FAegon. Masseys used to be very tight with Targaryens, after all. Roose is an interesting enemy, Ramsey not so much. It is entirely possible that Roose won't be finished when Winterfell falls, but manages to escape and to remain a thorn in the protagonist's side, helps the Others out of spite or whatever. However, there are only 2 books left and new things need to be happening, rather than the constant regurgitation of what we have already seen before. Basically, it all hinges on the question - will Martin treat the Long Night in the same lacklustre way as the show did or will he stretch his muscles as a horror writer (which he used to be quite good as) and make it something memorable? I am unabashedly for the latter - which is why I think that we saw almost nothing of Jon's book arc in the show. Instead, it seems to me that he mostly inherited Stannis's and FAegon's plots. I used to think that Jon was not dead and would be healed by the same ritual as Mirri used on Drogo, only performed properly, rather than with the intention of turning the patient into a vegetable. Unlike the fire-wights, Drogo's wound was actually healed. But after what we have seen in the show about Jon's ending, I am not sure. Also, having the funky flaming blood would be very helpful in a scenario where the Others are not a droid army. Yea, book Jon was already breaking his vows and leaving the Wall when he was killed, so the "death" loophole in the oaths is completely unnecessary. It is also quite ludicrous to think that people would believe in it and accept it without question, like they did in the show, where even Cersei somehow totally bought that Jon was still super-honorable, rather than a power-hungry oathbreaker. He could have just left the Wall at the end of ADwD and been saved from the charges of desertion by Robb's will turning up, if that's where GRRM was going. But is it? Given how quickly the whole KiTN thing was dispensed with in the show and Jon's ending, I kinda doubt it. IMHO, Jon getting assassinated was in part to _stop_ him from going down that road. Very much so, always provided that GRRM didn't become as enamored with incessant power struggles as D&D and still intends to deal with the threat of the Others and the Long Night, which should be devastating even without them, properly. His intended endings for the main characters, as presented by the show, raised some doubts in my mind, but I am still hoping that he isn't going for the cheap and underwhelming resolution.
  14. JMCH

    The Ending Was very conventional

    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
  15. JMCH

    Two Questions about this Episode

    He can literally see everything that's ever happened, if not in the world then at least in Westeros. Since '10 minutes ago' is also technically the past, he has a near-real-time omniscience, which means he knows of any plots being hatched against him. More importantly, he has both the knowledge of all events leading up to such plots and the compassion to understand why the plotters are behaving in specific ways, allowing him to disarm the plot while addressing any specific grievances. If that isn't some kind of weird magic (aka superpower) then I don't know what is.
  16. Eltharion21

    GRRM's (Brief) Thoughts on the Final Episode

    Additionally if Martin claims that book would be mostly similar and differentiate with something trivial as number of children, raises huge question of actual importance in non-adapted characters or merged rather badly in main protagonists: Tyrell's, Victarion, Dorne, Aeron, whole side casts of Vale, Stannis story merged with Jon, Sansa and Jeyne, Aegon, Illyrio, Connigton, Davos on Skagos and Rickon, Lady Stoneheart, Brown Ben Plumm, Golden Company ect... If result of Dorne characters and Tyrell would be supposedly evident in show finale, them being wiped out and Bronn becoming Lord of Highgarden or some new random Prince of Dorne, it doesn't give hope or any confidence in value of those storylines, kinda like with that of Quentyn Martell in the actual novel.
  17. Spot on. The shots of Dany as a Sith Lord weren't a coincidence I guess; they really switched to telling a Star Wars story here. Larger than life heroes and villains existing in a vacuum and choosing Light or Dark. There is an epic appeal to it but it's not ASOIAF.
  18. Darryk

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    Ah yes, I forgot they respawned after the Battle of Winterfell. Of course, Sansa mentions that she also has thousands of Northmen. I guess Davos and co. were really desperate to avoid yet more war, so they made Jon the sacrificial lamb. I can kind of buy that, although it's weird that Sansa and Arya are super cool with it. Would have been more poignant if Jon had made the decision to go the Wall himself in order to avoid more bloodshed, but then that would get in the way of the writer's attempts to completely strip the character of any agency this season.
  19. Damn that would have been so poetic! For her, who all her life tried to avoid becoming her father, to set off the wildfire caches and fulfill his last wishes. Now that could have believably driven her over the edge. The writers missed so many great narrative opportunities. The Golden Company and Iron Bank switching to JAegon through Varys, the wildfire caches, the prospect of Jon and Dany marrying, Arya's faceless skills... All that would have perfectly fit into the plot they were trying to get across, but for some reason they just didn't bother.
  20. That's my feel for it myself. I actually don't have any problem with that story arc per-se, on the contrary it's that wonderfully tragic story that GRRM has woven time and again into the books. What really is out of place is the sudden transformation, it looks like the whole season was rushed through to fit in 6 episodes, when having 8-10 episodes as with previous seasons would have allowed more character development to fill the gaps, while still leaving it as enough of a sudden transformation to be a shocking surprise when she burns KL.
  21. Yeah cuz the ending we got does not reek of Disney bullshit. Besides this is about who is the best ruler not best ending. Learn to read.
  22. I am also amazed that they think to have a return from this, I wonder how many people will buy last season's DVD, I surely won't. I still cannot believe to what amount of disrespect they were capable of. HBO should at least give some kind of explanations, apologies even...
  23. Eltharion21

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    Robert should be canonized judging by other rulers after him.
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