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  2. Jaime the Goldenhand

    West of Westeros: The Voyages of A. Stark

    Yes! I completely agree. Arya needs to have a moment of reckoning. She never had this in the show. I think they were going for this with confronting Nymeria, but it just didn't have any weightI. It is a very forgettable scene. Sometimes I wonder if they excluded this because Maisie isn't capable of giving a layered performance. But, at least she could try and confess something to Sansa instead of keeping everything hidden. The whole concept of the pack survives, to me, entails supporting one another, not just being on screen at the same time.
  3. Mel wrote the Pink Letter to stop Jon from going to Hardhome - Extended Version I thought having the first two assumptions is enough to make my case for Team Mel. But I also have a third assumption which I can prove and it would help Team Mel out even more. I just didn't want to write it in the OP because it was so long already. Anyways enjoy the extended version: Assumption # 3 - Melisandre sends out Devan Seaworth to falsely fetch food ... but her main intentions for Devan is to stalk & spy on Jon Snow for information Off topic theory: Melisandre is a fire wight just like Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart. She doesn't really eat, doesn't really sleep, doesn't feel cold, may be older than she appears and chugs poison like a champ. Mel was probably resurrected by R'hllor in the past, and that is why she became a devoted red priestess. Back to topic: Mel doesn't need to eat, but she send Devan to fetch food to conceal this glamour. "Does my lady wish to break her fast?" asked Devan. Food. Yes, I should eat. Some days she forgot. R'hllor provided her with all the nourishment her body needed, but that was something best concealed from mortal men. It was Jon Snow she needed, not fried bread and bacon, but it was no use sending Devan to the lord commander. He would not come to her summons. [...] [...] "I will have nettle tea, a boiled egg, and bread with butter. Fresh bread, if you please, not fried. You may find the wildling as well. Tell him that I must speak with him." [Devan:] "Rattleshirt, my lady?" "And quickly." {Melisandre I ADWD} When Mel send Devan to fetch food, she occasionally sends him to summon people, or to spy on them. "The bones protect you," she reminded [f-Rattleshirt]. "The black brothers do not love you. Devan tells me that only yesterday you had words with some of them over supper." "A few. I was eating bean-and-bacon soup whilst Bowen Marsh was going on about the high ground. The Old Pomegranate thought that I was SPYING on him and announced that he would not suffer murderers listening to their councils. I told him that if that was true, maybe they shouldn't have them by the fire. Bowen turned red and made some choking sounds, but that was as far as it went." The wildling sat on the edge of the window, slid his dagger from its sheath. "If some crow wants to slip a knife between my ribs whilst I'm spooning up some supper, he's welcome to try. Hobb's gruel would taste better with a drop of blood to spice it." {Melisandre I ADWD} I like how Mel admitted that Devan was observing f-Rattleshirt without being noticed. I also like how in the next paragraph, GRRM used the word "spying". Why would Devan be a good spy for Mel? These are her thoughts about Devan: "Yes, my lady." The boy poured her a cup of water from the stone jug by the window and brought it to her. "Thank you." Melisandre took a sip, swallowed, and gave the boy a smile. That made him blush. The boy was half in love with her, she knew. He fears me, he wants me, and he worships me. [...] Devan was quick and smart and able too, which was more than could be said about most of her attendants. [...] {Melisandre I ADWD} As spy for Mel, Ghost sniffed out something odd about Devan By the time they returned to the surface, the shadows of the afternoon were growing long. Clouds streaked the sky like tattered banners, grey and white and torn. The yard outside the armory was empty, but inside Jon found the king's squire awaiting him. Devan was a skinny lad of some twelve years, brown of hair and eye. They found him frozen by the forge, hardly daring to move as Ghost sniffed him up and down. "He won't hurt you," Jon said, but the boy flinched at the sound of his voice, and that sudden motion made the direwolf bare his teeth. "No!" Jon said. "Ghost, leave him be. Away." The wolf slunk back to his ox bone, silence on four feet. Devan looked as pale as Ghost, his face damp with perspiration. "M-my lord. His Grace c-commands your presence." The boy was clad in Baratheon gold and black, with the flaming heart of a queen's man sewn above his own. {Jon IV ADWD} But what does this all mean? Well let's review the contents of the Pink Letter again: Theses are the things that Jon said aloud or someone talking to Jon aloud, surrounded by food or drinks ... with Devan hearing and observing: The men will love that. "If we must. We'll cut each man's portion by a quarter." If my brothers are complaining of me now, what will they say when they're eating snow and acorn paste? {Jon IV ADWD, in the food storeroom, just before Ghost sniffs up Devan} Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it. --------------------- "He did. Lightbringer was brighter than I'd ever seen it. As bright as the sun." Jon raised his cup. "To Stannis Baratheon and his magic sword." The wine was bitter in his mouth. {Jon III ADWD, drinking wine with Clydas in the rookery} I have his magic sword. --------------------- He broke his fast in the cellar with his officers. Fried bread, fried eggs, blood sausages, and barley porridge made up the meal, washed down with thin yellow beer. As they ate they went over the preparations yet again. "All is in readiness," Bowen Marsh assured him. "If the wildlings uphold the terms of the bargain, all will go as you've commanded." And if not, it may turn to blood and carnage. "Remember," Jon said, "Tormund's people are hungry, cold, and fearful. Some of them hate us as much as some of you hate them. We are dancing on rotten ice here, them and us. One crack, and we all drown. If blood should be shed today, it had best not be one of us who strikes the first blow, or I swear by the old gods and the new that I will have the head of the man who strikes it." {Jon XII ADWD, at the cellar} Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. --------------------- Nearer the door, the Queen's Hand was attacking a brace of capons, sucking the meat off the bones and washing down each bite with ale. When he espied Jon Snow, Axell Florent tossed a bone aside, wiped his mouth with the back of his hand, and sauntered over. With his bowed legs, barrel chest, and prominent ears, he presented a comical appearance, but Jon knew better than to laugh at him. He was an uncle to Queen Selyse and had been among the first to follow her in accepting Melisandre's red god. If he is not a kinslayer, he is the next best thing. Axell Florent's brother had been burned by Melisandre, Maester Aemon had informed him, yet Ser Axell had done little and less to stop it. What sort of man can stand by idly and watch his own brother being burned alive? "Nestoris," said Ser Axell, "and the lord commander. Might I join you?" He lowered himself to the bench before they could reply. "Lord Snow, if I may ask … this wildling princess His Grace King Stannis wrote of … where might she be, my lord?" Long leagues from here, Jon thought. If the gods are good, by now she has found Tormund Giantsbane. "Val is the younger sister of Dalla, who was Mance Rayder's wife and mother to his son. King Stannis took Val and the child captive after Dalla died in childbed, but she is no princess, not as you mean it." {Jon IX ADWD, at the feasthall} I want his wildling princess. --------------------- "Be wary o' that lot, Jon Snow," Tormund warned him. "A savage folk. The men are bad, the women worse." He took a SKIN off his saddle and offered it up to Jon. "Here. This will make them seem less fearsome, might be. And warm you for the night. No, go on, it's yours to keep. Drink deep." {Jon XII} The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. --------------------- When Mel & Jon are in the same room ... note what was said aloud & what can be observed: "Not me. I'm done with those bloody fools." Rattleshirt tapped the ruby on his wrist. "Ask your red witch, bastard." Melisandre spoke softly in a strange tongue. The ruby at her throat throbbed slowly, and Jon saw that the smaller stone on Rattleshirt's wrist was brightening and darkening as well. "So long as he wears the gem he is bound to me, blood and soul," the red priestess said. "This man will serve you faithfully. The flames do not lie, Lord Snow." {Jon IV} I want his daughter and his red witch. --------------------- "Our false king has a prickly manner," Melisandre told Jon Snow, "but he will not betray you. We hold his son, remember. And he owes you his very life." {Melisandre I ADWD, talking about Mance} Your false king is dead, bastard. (Stannis) --------------------- "Castle Black needs no useless mouths," Jon agreed. "I am sending Gilly south on the next ship out of Eastwatch." Melisandre touched the ruby at her neck. "Gilly is giving suck to Dalla's son as well as her own. It seems cruel of you to part our little prince from his milk brother, my lord." {Jon I ADWD} I want his little prince. --------------------- And finally the easy one: Ser Godry gave a pull on the rope. The King-Beyond-the-Wall had no choice but to stumble after him, the rope choking off his words. When he lost his feet, Godry dragged him the rest of the way. Mance was bloody when the queen's men half-shoved, half-carried him to the CAGE. A dozen men-at-arms heaved together to hoist him into the air. Lady Melisandre watched him rise. "FREE FOLK! Here stands your king of lies. And here is the horn he promised would bring down the Wall." Two queen's men brought forth the Horn of Joramun, black and banded with old gold, eight feet long from end to end. Runes were carved into the golden bands, the writing of the First Men. Joramun had died thousands of years ago, but Mance had found his grave beneath a glacier, high up in the Frostfangs. And Joramun blew the Horn of Winter, and woke giants from the earth. Ygritte had told Jon that Mance never found the horn. She lied, or else Mance kept it secret even from his own. {Jon III ADWD} I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. --------------------- Melisandre's thoughts: Melisandre took that as a sign and dismissed her own guard as well. They crossed the yard together, just the two of them. The snow fell all around them. She walked as close to Jon Snow as she dared, close enough to feel the mistrust pouring off him like a black fog. He does not love me, will never love me, but he will make use of me. Well and good. Melisandre had danced the same dance with Stannis Baratheon, back in the beginning. In truth, the young lord commander and her king had more in common than either one would ever be willing to admit. Stannis had been a younger son living in the shadow of his elder brother, just as Jon Snow, bastard-born, had always been eclipsed by his TRUEBORN sibling, the fallen hero men had called the Young Wolf. Both men were unbelievers by nature, mistrustful, suspicious. The only gods they truly worshiped were honor and duty. {Melisandre I ADWD} Trueborn Lord of Winterfell. --------------------- Sorry that took so long. So in conclusion, the vocabulary of the Pink Letter can be found in Melisandre's thoughts, when Melisandre & Jon are in the same room, or when Devan is spying on Jon (surrounded by food or drinks) for Melisandre. Team Mel!! Off topic: I love the very last quote of the similarity between Jon and Stannis.
  4. That could just be the 3ER talking in a general sense, not Bloodraven personally. The 3ER definitely predates Bloodraven. The birthmark and eye I write off as the show deciding not to alter Sydow's appearance.
  5. JagLover

    Arya the Explorer

    What little we saw of young Lyanna reminded me far more of Arya to be honest. Do you really see Sansa defending Reed?, or taking part in a tournament?. The difference to Arya is that we saw her in a more conventional setting at a later age. Arya herself is described as pretty later on in the books. A satisfying outcome for her would not have been to marry Gendry no, to simply be his lady with little power. How about though if Sansa had given her one of the many now vacant castles in the North and she could have supported her sister as her bannerwoman and also started her own family. Is that truly a betrayal of her character?. Yes she saw many horrible things which changed her, but the war is over now, and just as men return and start families after going through the horror of war, then so could she.
  6. Tywin Tytosson

    Did Bran know all the time he is the future king?

    Yep. Some of memories would be Bloodraven's memories.
  7. Tywin Tytosson

    Did Bran know all the time he is the future king?

    And? Why does it matter being original? Nothing is really 'original'.
  8. The Bard of Banefort

    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    Something that stuck out to me when I re-read ACOK was when Maester Luwin told Bran he "truly was his father's son" as he lay dying. Even as a little kid, there was something impressive about how Bran was holding his own at Winterfell. For a long time, I thought it was very likely that Bran would be king at the end. Once he became robotic on the show, I started to change my mind. Turns out I should I have just listened to my gut.
  9. Tywin Tytosson

    Did Bran know all the time he is the future king?

    But Bran has the 10,000 year view, from being the 3ER. A perspective Dany could never have. To turn it around a bit, maybe the 3ER needed to break some eggs to make that omelette Very long-term gain and paradise. How many died for Dany's vision of the uncertain future? One that would never have outlasted her life?
  10. hewman

    Two Questions about this Episode

    I suppose he could approve the Norexit with a nod but in the case of the Iron Isles vs Bran he had to overrule the Dany’s decision: “enough with this independence crap, you’re back in the kingdom!”. He could have kept only the Northern Iron Island for the crown let the rest go feral. Of course, I’m being spiteful ‘cause I can’t stand the little weirbonsai.
  11. Tywin Tytosson

    Did Bran know all the time he is the future king?

    Unless Bran as King can save even more people and rebuild a devastated realm. So maybe 1) and 2) go together.
  12. Bernie Mac

    The Ending Was very conventional

    Who was in a wheel chair. A cripple king is not conventional. The rulers of Westeros at the end of the series was a Cripple, a dwarf, the first ever female knight and two commoners turned nobles. The North also got its first ever female ruler. The Reach is ruled by a commoner. Sure. Social change at that level takes decades, maybe centuries. It does not happen overnight, incremental change is how societies progress. That's not true. The unsullied left, we have no idea about the remaining Dothraki. It was xenophobic to begin with, Sansa did not establish it. She's literally the first female knight, the first female Kingsguard member, the first female Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. She's broken the traditional system of who can and can't be a knight.
  13. Tywin Tytosson

    Did Bran know all the time he is the future king?

    Well .... "the good of the many outweigh those of the few, or the one". And it isn't 'nuked', it is 'fire-bombed'. Dresden (1945). Not Hiroshima.
  14. Buckwheat

    TTTNE 475 - for the Honour of Greyskull!

    Wait, the direwolves are still not shown? Eh, looks like I am not missing anything then. :p Good mooooorning. Or a bad one, if you are up early and want to sleep longer, I guess. I have 7 hours of classes today, but two courses finish today, so from next week onwards, I will have fewer hours to work. Hopefully no unpredictable random stuff comes up and I will finally manage to also write something for my dissertation.
  15. Ser Kafka

    How have you started reading the aSoIaF books?

    Started reading them after S1, but was a year late watching the show. Someone, for some reason, had suggested the show to me after I told them I enjoyed the adaptation of The Name of the Rose. Seven years later and I still don't understand how they came to that suggestion... So I read GOT immediately after watching Season 1, then ACoK in a couple of weeks before Season 2 started, and finished them all within the next month. I'm a slow reader and also tend to get 'fatigued' with the same thing after a while, so I'll need a break from that particular genre I'm reading. I don't know how I did it.
  16. Selere

    Will Tommen and Myrcella die?

    I think that Arianne's shenanigans will get Myrcella killed. Tommen might die in a similar way to the show, depending on how the High Sparrow's arc ends.
  17. Tywin Tytosson

    Were you expecting something different?

    I would contest that
  18. The Anti-Targ

    Video Games: Devils Die Twice

    That would seem to be very soon, with Anthem appearing to go FTP it means there's no money it at the moment and it needs an injection of players who will start spending on micro-transactions. The only flaw in that strategy is that even a FTP game needs to be good and worth putting many hours into for its monetisation to bring in profits. Andromeda has failed to make a profit and now Anthem. I think there is a chance if Anthem freemium monetisation doesn't work EA will shut down Bioware and cancel Dragon Age 4. Any Dragon Age game that's of good quality as a RPG with a good story and interesting characters can't possibly make enough money to satisfy EA's profit demands. And any Dragon Age game that has the kind of persistent revenue elements EA likes won't get a big enough player base to make money because for the Dragon Age fanbase it'll be a shit game (which means objectively it'll be a shit game), and it won't sell to anyone else. So they might as well shut Bioware now.
  19. Tywin Tytosson

    Were you expecting something different?

    How/Why does it confuse and anger you? I ask out of curiosity.
  20. The Marquis de Leech

    Boarders Writing a Novel Part 15

    People do these things differently. Personally, I think Karl Marx of all people is actually quite useful here. Start with the economic foundations of the world - how are things produced? What social classes arise from that? - then think about how this impacts the attitudes, culture, and political structure of the society based on that foundation.
  21. Showwatercheronly

    Jaime Lannister - A True Knight

    I like the way you put this. The actor who played Jaime just gave an interview saying that his code of honor was with his family, and he never, ever saw that character killing Cersei. He said Jaime knew Cersei would never give up, and he knew Daenerys was going to bring fire and blood after Euron killed the dragon. So he saw it as his mission to try and save Cersei or either die with her. What would I have wanted him to do instead? I guess when you spend seven years watching a character become a better person--he certainly was a shadow of the arrogant, entitled prick he was in season 1--you would hope he learns from his mistakes. Is it too much to ask for him to finally realize that Cersei really is evil? Is it too much to ask for him to come to his senses after she refused to help others fight an apocalyptic threat, and after watching so many others sacrifice themselves so not only Cersei and his unborn child could be saved, but the rest of humanity with it? Is it too much to ask that the guy realize that she never was a really good mother in the first place and that her "love for her children"--and for him, for that matter--was just part of her narcissism? Is it too much to ask for him to conclude that Tommen committed suicide because she wasn't emotionally available for him when he needed her most and for Jaime to reject Cersei's description of their youngest child as having "betrayed" her? Cersei belittled him time and time again. She cheated on him. She rejected him after he lost his hand. Theirs was not an epic love story; it was a tale of a narcissist and her co-dependent. Lady Olenna told Jaime he was foolish for loving Cersei, and the grand dame correctly predicted that his sister-lover would be the end of him. I guess I just wanted Jaime to stop being a fool. Even Jon Snow, who knows nothing, knew when it was time to give up on a lost cause.
  22. Meera of Tarth

    GRRM's (Brief) Thoughts on the Final Episode

    and don't forget that book Jaime is not aware of Cersei'ns cnspirations to kill him XDXDXD even if JBis not as "strong" there s no way that in the books does a similar thing to that or we get to see sth as stupidly bad written as...that
  23. darksellsword

    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    If you cast your mind back to season 2 you will remember Bronn and Tyrion have that that exchange about the correct pronunciation of Archmaester ch'yvonthan yes it appears as if Bronn is literate.It actually opens up the question how Bronn learned to read. The show established through Tywin Lannister and Aryas interaction at Harrenhal that it is unusual for low born small folk to read. Why do I bother, it's probably an unintentional plothole per usual with D&D
  24. Tywin Tytosson

    Were you expecting something different?

    Same here. I was more than pleasantly surprised. Overall, I enjoyed the episode. Episode 2 wasn't rushed. I would have to agree with this. At the very least, it equaled S7. I did too. Especially for poor Drogon. Perhaps. I liked it though. It was fun and was a way to indicate that 'life goes on'. I found it humorous here. I liked Bronn being there. Davos was in the role i forecast from the books. Ditto for Tyrion. And (definitely) for Brienne.
  25. Was there any explanation for the spirals made by the WW? I didn’t quite get their body art. Was it just spare parts for the army of the dead?
  26. Are you 100% positive that that's where he should start?
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