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  2. Cladinator

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    No. We really don't get to see the realm post-Daenerys. Don't miss the point though. The realm is now on the up-and-up. That's the whole reason for ending the story with Bran as King. Whether you like that outcome or not, the point is that better days are ahead for the realm.
  3. Buckwheat

    TTTNE 475 - for the Honour of Greyskull!

    Yes. This was uncalled for. Poor summer weather does not deserve such language. Summer is great, short-sleeved T-shirts and short skirts for the win.
  4. robasp2

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    I don't understand why people called Robert Baratheon a usurper either. He "DEFEATED" the crown prince in battle and crushed the king's forces. He earned the throne. He believed Lyanna was kidnapped. Didn't know the truth. He lost his beloved and got a throne he had no joy in ruling without her. He was never a "righteous", he was just a lord protesting against the injustice. The kidnapping, the murder of the starks etc. So why do people expect him to think about the realm when he gets a throne yet lost everything?
  5. Ilissa

    The Ending Was very conventional

    Gray Worm is our king?

    Will Tommen and Myrcella die?

    Yes they are going to die . Killed by Melisandre's magic .
  7. Fragile Bird

    Acrophobia 35A: Death Comes As The End, Congrats Dolorous Gabe!

    So who’s in? Do we have enough people? Never mind, whatever, maybe you’ll only have 1 vote...
  8. Charles Stuart

    Your favorite individual acting performance

    No love for Tormund?
  9. Lady Rhodes

    Heresy 222 vindication

    If you watch the after the episode portions (which while certainly should not be required viewing I find interesting) they specifically say it was Shireen’s burning, not just “something happens to Shireen” The show has changed a lot and o am not necessarily happy about t either. However, there are a few things that D&D as well as GRRM have pretty much confirmed as true that seem to be brushed under the rug because they haven’t fit our preconceived theories. Just wanting to point that out. Didnt we have a discussion a few heresy’s back regarding fraying if magical wards that could be in the wall? I also speculated elsewhere that something had to have occurred for the Others to return at this point. I am wondering if bloodraven venturing past the wall may have done something or Alysanne’s attempt to cross.
  10. That isnt how this works either. Being the Lord of a Castle doesnt make you the Lord of that region/kingdom. For example. If Jon is King, or if everyone swears fealty to him, it doesnt matter where his seat is. he is still their lord. Even seatless, he is still above Sansa. Long story short, you swear fealty to the linage, not the building they rule.
  11. Vanadis

    The Book of The Kingsguard - Help Me Decide

    You know... I think you've described how I feel about this season. It feels like the show runners have been trolling me with the storytelling. But yes, Jamie was definitely a character that didn't make sense in the end. I re-watched the scene where he talks to Brienne about why he killed the mad king. That was some excellent acting and a powerful point of character development. That scene was rendered utterly meaningless. I think that what Jamie experienced was what several of the other characters have gone through, too: He became a plot device for someone else's arc, in this case Brienne and Cersei. They wanted Brienne to have an unhappy romance, and they wanted Cersei to die with her lover in her arms. And since the show runners seem blind with the idea of "shock" and "surprise" as the main, nay only tools for telling a story, they don't need to show any scenes that justify the character's decision. It is supposed to be a surprise after all.
  12. Corvo the Crow

    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    Not exactly something new, I have, long ago, suggested that “don” could be a suffix that mean son or something to that effect, as seen with Durran-don and perhaps Bran-don since we have people called Bran and Brandon, so likely Brandons are Bransons. Dondarrion may have been Don-Darrion or Don-Dareon, with the Don as a prefix Also another wordplay, Brandishing means to move/wave a weapon to show anger or to threten and Brand has these meanings, which I’ll group in two; fire/flame/burning/torch and sword So Brandon could also be Brand on and Brand part of Brandon could carry a double meaning; a fiery/flaming sword perhaps. Lightbringer? It’a not much, but I invite you, @Seams because you like the wordplays.
  13. DireWolfSpirit

    NBA Playoffs 2019 - Kawhi So Serious?!

    I think the Bucks take them with or without Durant.
  14. polishgenius

    DCEU: Suicidal Insanity

    Why? Shazam is cracking.
  15. RhaenysBee

    TTTNE 475 - for the Honour of Greyskull!

    Hi!!! How is life LadyO? Sounds like a lovely trip! Hope you get to have the best time and some alone weeks from mini sith, just the two of you. Ehh don’t even mention it... *facepalm* I’m waiting for my other two funko pops stuck in customs to arrive and remind me of all the thing I did (and do still?) love about the show... I did, thank you. I know it’s such an unpopular opinion, but I’m so happy with this weather. I just really really enjoy the lack of disturbing uv index, sweating everywhere I go, smelling the boiling urine in the streets, extreme temp differences between aircon and scorching smoky city air. I also generally really like Autumn and that is what it feels like these days. I’ll go now and take a time out in the corner for being so mean to summer weather
  16. SeanF

    The Ending Was very conventional

    the show runners' message was that trying to reform an unjust society makes you either (a) Ayatollah Khomeini or (b) Adolf Hitler.
  17. Corvo the Crow

    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    Bowen is from the North. Bow as in Bowing, not weapon and march as in marching, not land. He’ll bow his head and march south perhaps, or it could be it were the wildlings who bowed and marched and Bowen Marsh was there, making arrangments for this undet Jon’s command.
  18. Thank you. I like how they point out in the preamble that yes, it was bad storytelling. I imagine Game of Thrones will provide excellent material for future students of script writing of what works (first seasons) and what doesn't (last seasons).
  19. majgat

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    The comparison between Aegon IV and Robert I is just.........ignorant. Sure Bobby wasn't really great king, and a pleasant person, but he was far from worst. Let's dissect your post. He let corruption run rampant - did he really? We know he was a warrior king and his qualities was in morale boost of the troops, not statesmanship. This role was delegated to Jon Arryn alone. Jon Arryn is to blame as much as him, and it's a character praised more than anyone in the novels for his political savvy. He had 3 powergrabbing plotters in his own small council (Baelish, Varys and HIS OWN Brother). The debt - I'm pretty sure Littlefinger embezzeled a LOT of money from the crown. We have couple of clues throughout the books, the biggest one being Tyrion not getting any sense of the books (didn't have enough time to investigate, because of Stannis approaching). Joffrey - did he knew his son was cruel? Apart from the cat incident what was other evidence? After the slap/punch he gave Joff, Cersei distanced all of "his" children from him and threatened to MURDED him if he does anything remotely close. Bobby was absent king in the latter stages of his rule, he was a drunk, whoremonger, and he raped Cersei couple of times so no I do not think of him as a good person. But he was far from worst of the kings. He had very long and prosperous reign with relative peace. The collapse of his reign is on the shoulders of Littlefinger, Varys, Renly and the Lannisters, THEY STARTED THE Wot5K. Aegon IV started Blackfyre rebellion as a giant fuck you to his own son Dareon II, just because people liked him better. He started this rebelion, which haunted the realm for generations just because he was being petty. He alienated almost every lord of Westeros by his treatment of women and feudal contracts. Wanted to start a war with Dorne, when his own son was already married into the family. I mean, come on. Bloodraven created a police state when the Great Spring Sickness desolated Westeros. He ignored Ironborn invasion, letting Stark and Lannisters to deal with it on their own, without any official support. And he broke one of the most sacred rules/traditions of guest right, when he had Aenys Blackfyre executed the moment he showed up in KL for Great council, before promising him safe conduct. There was a nation wide paranoia surrounding Blooraven (Lord Bloodraven sees everything with his thoundseyes and one). It was actually Meakar I that had to keep Bloodraven on a leash and to keep the 7K together strong between Blackfyre rebelions. There is really no comparison between the two. Bobby had his own faults, but as I mentioned he was far from worst. I actually have to rank above more than half of Targaryen kings (Maegor I, Viserys I, Aegon II, Baelor I, Aegon IV, Aerys I, Aerys II). To answer to this underlying question: Is Robert I Baratheon better than Daenerys? Show? Well, yes. He did not burn half the city to the ground. He did not give the order to murder any children or women, Tywin Lannister did. Was he deliberately ingorant of the fact and is it morally ambiguous? Of course. Books? I personally think Daenarys blows up KL by ACCIDENT, so this is not relevant for me.
  20. RhaenysBee

    Elimination Game #??: Who Comes Out of GOT S.8 the Best

    And once more 1. Arya Stark 13 (6-)  9. Drogon 25    25. Sandor Clegane 18  29. Tyrion Lannister  24
  21. Pacala

    Books vs Show: How much difference?

    Martin wanted 15 seasons, HBO wanted 10 seasons, D&D 7. Why would Martin wanted 15 if he did not finished the story ?
  22. Vanadis

    Two Questions about this Episode

    1. Apparently Bran can't have children, and after his reign they will elect a new king. So it might be in Bran's interest to let the North be independent, for the sake of his family. I find it more strange that the other Wardens didn't claim independence too.
  23. Mentat

    UK Politics: Awaiting MV3

    I agree. The increasingly mainstream rhetoric of hate and intolerance against those who think, vote, pray or look different to us is a big problem. According to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, promoting inclusion, diversity and pluralism is the answer. Seems legit. Again, I agree. Her 'new' deal is extremely unlikely to pass. Odds of MV4 failing by a wider margin than MV3 are actually pretty good. Once that happens, Theresa May will probably finally die her political death (her carcass is already being fought over...) and resign or attempt to hold general elections (or just shake her fist and vow her deal will get us next time, it's hard to know with May). If her resignation simply leads to a Tory leadership bid (which Boris Johnson seems likely to win), I think a No Deal Brexit is almost certain. A general election opens up more possibilities, but the Conservatives will probably do anything in their power to avoid a general election prior to Brexit actually happening (except voting for May's deal, I guess).
  24. Rory Snow

    Two Questions about this Episode

    1. The North HAS BEEN independent for several years since Robb Stark was crowned King In The North. They never went back after that and the ruling Lannisters have considered them rebels and traitors ever since. This bit between Sansa & Bran is just the crown finally recognizing the North as a separate entity. 2. It wasn't explicitly expressed but I don't think there is a Night's Watch anymore. The Free Folk were occupying Castle Black for a time but they didn't plan to stay long term. "Banishing" Jon to the Wall is just a way to satisfy Grey Worm without penalizing Jon too badly for doing what needed doing. As someone else already mentioned, once the Unsullied sail for Narth, there's nothing to stop Bran from issuing Jon a full pardon.
  25. Rorshach

    Football: pool in to the Final Spur of the season

    2010 Lev did have a lot of star power, though. Those were the years where he was clear second in the rating lists.
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  27. Corvo the Crow

    Boltons vs Manderlys'

    Roose may be top dog in the North right now but even with all the ruse, he still isn’t that powerful compared with the more powerful bannermen of North; even with Roose keeping the majority of his forces intact and Barbrey and Wyman suffering serious losses, these two are still very much powerful and present a threat to Roose. Dustin and Manderly are the most powerful in the North, which is made rather clear in both the series, and the additional materials. Now of the two, Manderly is more powerful with his trade, wealth, influence and having a good amount of men but just looking at the amount of men, perhaps Dustins have more, since despite not having a city, Barrowlands is rather big, bigger than Manderly lands and certainly much bigger than Bolton lands. Think of this as a comparison between Royce and Grafton, the second has the only city but the first is the most powerful vassal in the Vale, or Vance/Bracken/Blackwood vs Mooton, the second has the largest town in RL but they are less powerful than Tullys, who in turn are less powerful than the first group. Bolton doesn’t have a city, a town large enough to be notable, a notable port(I’m pretty sure they have some small port though), their lands aren’t as vast as they used to be, have only the one castle whereas even the Hornwoods have more than one. In summary, they don’t stand out in anyway that shows or even implies they have a great deal of power. They WERE the last to submit to the Starks and HAD extensive lands but emphasis on were and had. Dorne was the last to submit to Targaryens but they are the least powerful of the 7K, not counting II, Clansmen of the vale still haven’t bend their knees, not just to the vale but also to the iron throne but they do little more than stealing cattle and attacking small bands of travellers. Durrandons’ lands were extensive as well but have dwindled over time and we have been told time and again that rebellious lords lose a great deal of land even if they get to keep their head and Boltons are the foremost rebellious lords of the North. Even if they were the Royces or Yronwoods of the North at the time of the Andal Invasion, they aren’t anymore.
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