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  2. Kajjo

    West of Westeros: The Voyages of A. Stark

    Yes, I agree. So what?! What is your problem with vengeance after experiencing so much traumatic hardship as young girl?! Why not? How you know? That's somehow true. She got a turning point in the Sandor/Arya farewell scene, but in the finale we see her leaving for good. She is on her own and that seems to be fine with her. So what? Different people are happy for different reasons. If she experiences nice adventures she might find a happy life, even sexual partners and a group to trust. "Many kills" is not what hinders you from being happy. Her isolation might be a problem, but maybe she is happy as a loner.
  3. polishgenius

    Game of Star Wars: The Final Hope

    Keri Russell's costume looks just as good as when it was The Rocketeer.
  4. sifth

    Robert Baratheon - Not so bad after all

    So being gay is just as bad as being a drunk? Plus if we're going by the books story, Loras and Renly were honestly in love and I don't think the show does anything to show us that Renly didn't love Loras as well. Margeary was also a good person and tried to help Sansa and the poor people in Kings Landing. So yea, you're not really proving me wrong here.
  5. Empress Sansa

    Were you expecting something different?

    Exactly my thoughts. I gave up on trying things to make sense in S7 so i´ve looked at S8 from a different prism, and while most of the 'sins' are still there i consider it to be a vast improvement; The Bells and Dany becoming her true self, finally, made up for the failures imho.
  6. Free Northman Reborn

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    In the books about 3000 wildlings pass through Castle Black. Maybe 5000 remain at Hardhome. Maybe another 5000 at the Bridge of Skulls. To be generous, let’s say 10k in total end up on this side of the Wall. Then the Others invade and the Great War starts. How many do you reckon survive by the end of the War? 1000? That’s barely a viable seed population. And will take centuries to even repopulate the Lands Beyond the Wall, if ever.
  7. Megorova

    New Zealand

    Maybe he will announce about release of TWOW, during that event in August. Either at Worldcon, or Titancon.
  8. Hodor's Dragon

    West of Westeros: The Voyages of A. Stark

    "Know[ing] her literature" is a fine justification for cooking human remains into a pie. And she didn't just kill Meryn Trant. She clearly took pleasure in tormenting and mutilating him. That was no clean kill. Arya's obsession with death during her adolescent and early teen-age years is not a road that can be turned back from. Her self-sufficiency kept her alive, but now it keeps her isolated as well. Even when she was united with her siblings back in Winterfell, she never looked particularly pleased to be there or even to be with her siblings. She never wanted to talk with them about what was on her mind; certainly never wanted to tell her story and never did so even vaguely. I don't see a happy future for the insular girl with so many kills already under her belt.
  9. lakin1013

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    The council scene was ridiculous but when engaged viewers begin to pull at individual threads, it becomes a mess. Either the council was saving Jon or punishing him. FOR EXAMPLE, Sansa knew what he wanted (how?) or Sansa wanted him gone cuz he would become King of something at the expense of her queen ambitions. Then why, at the very last goodbye did Sansa say "we did everything we could". We didn't hear her do anything so .... Arya knew what he wanted (how?) or she wanted him gone because he didn't want to be King. Then why, at the last goodbye, did she say absolutely nothing about his fate. Bran knew what Jon wanted (the only one who could really know) or he wanted him gone because he, Bran, wanted/intended/would be King. Then why, at the last goodbye, did he say that Jon was always exactly where he was supposed to be, so Bran used Jon. Davos said nothing good about Jon. Jon left Castle Black, or he left to escort the FreeFolk home, and would be right back. No way to know. In my head, Jon was championed by no one at the meeting, so he leaves castle black to live his best life with his friend and his dog. Want to disagree? Just read the post before mine. The show gives us no help at all. Re: the clothing change, I just thought Jon put on his warmer cloak. I cannot image he has been to J Crew lately.
  10. sifth

    Arya the Explorer

    And this is why I can't stand when crap is just done for shock value.
  11. She is too close to Jon right now to ever be some kind of 'endgame'. Chances are very low that she is going to be dragged through the story until the very end. And if she was then there would be no reason to look at anyone else, ever. Because if Jon ever had Val there would be no reason for him to sleep around in the future of the story.
  12. Yeah, I strongly assume that this is just some ridiculous fan service. Their way of apologizing for the ridiculous Sansa rape plot. If they had planned or prepared for anything of that sort then Sansa would have been chosen queen back when she had fed Ramsay to the dogs - but back then they were downplaying her role in everything, even rejecting Littlefinger's offer to bring in the Vale. One could see the North being independent if the Seven Kingdoms devolved to a pre-Conquest state and no longer had a central monarchy, but giving it the special privilege of independence in light of the fact that they basically all worked together to defeat the Others and even installed a Stark king in the Red Keep that makes no sense. That's like the King of England is chosen from the leading noble family Northumbria but Northumbrians themselves secede from England and crown their monarch, a sibling of the King of England. That is utterly ridiculous and makes no political sense in any scenario whatsoever. Instead, it is a recipe for disaster and future political strife. After all, the successor of 'the King of the Six Kingdoms' could derive a claim to the North from the mere fact that his predecessor was of the same house as the current ruling family of the North and vice versa. Wouldn't Sansa's children - assuming she ever has any - get the notion they should succeed Uncle Bran?
  13. For shits and giggles, since I don't believe this myself: Jon was tired. I need sleep. He had been up half the night poring over maps, writing letters, and making plans with Maester Aemon. Even after stumbling into his narrow bed, rest (death) had not come easily. He knew what he would face today, and found himself tossing restlessly as he brooded on Maester Aemon's final words. "Allow me to give my lord one last piece of counsel," the old man had said, "the same counsel that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne. A man grown with sons of his own, yet in some ways still a boy. Egg had an innocence to him, a sweetness we all loved. Kill the boy within you, I told him the day I took ship for the Wall. It takes a man to rule. An Aegon, not an Egg. Kill the boy and let the man be born." The old man felt Jon's face. "You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born." {Jon II ADWD} While the boy was gone, Melisandre washed herself and changed her robes. Her sleeves were full of hidden pockets, and she checked them carefully as she did every morning to make certain all her powders were in place. Powders to turn fire green or blue or silver, powders to make a flame roar and hiss and leap up higher than a man is tall, powders to make smoke. A smoke for truth, a smoke for lust, a smoke for fear, and the thick black smoke that could kill a man outright. The red priestess armed herself with a pinch of each of them. {Melisande I ADWD} I hope not. Jon was counting on that, trusting that Val could succeed where Black Jack Bulwer and his companions had failed. She need fear no harm from the free folk, he hoped … but both of them knew too well that wildlings were not the only ones waiting in the woods. "You have sufficient food?" "Hard bread, hard cheese, oat cakes, salt cod, salt beef, salt mutton, and a skin of sweet wine to rinse all that salt out of my mouth. I will not die of hunger." (Val:) "Then it's time you were away." {Jon VIII ADWD} [...] Daggers in the dark. A promised prince, born in smoke and salt. It seems to me that you make nothing but mistakes, my lady {Melisandre). {Jon XIII} Is Jon the Prince that Was Promised? Born amidst smoke and salt? Born amidst Melisandre's smoke screen that killed the boy? Born amidst the salty food of the frigid Castle Black? Will Jon Snow the Man, the Prince that was Promised, be born?
  14. Should be dead. Daenerys should have killed him when she killed varys as Tyrion told Varys about Jon without informing her. That's treacherous. Cersei should have killed him with arrows at the parlay. Daenerys should have been informed immediately after Jamie escaped and killed him. And why did he suddenly care about Cersei...at all? Jon should have died first by Drogon and if not that, as soon as he confessed to greyworm, instant death. But it happened off screen so maybe we aren't supposed to think about it?
  15. The show wants us to believe Bran is on the...space where the throne used to be not because of blood but because he had a good story. And he remembers things. Seriously. That was the end of the game of thrones. Next monarch after Bran dies in 1,000 years shall have to write the bestest college admissions essay ever.
  16. Tywin et al.

    NBA Playoffs 2019 - Kawhi So Serious?!

    He also came down funny on a contested dunk last night. But if you’re looking for a bright spot, the lead was only 10 points at the time, so the Raptors were able to add a lot to their lead after it occurred. Getting back to my previous post, I caught some defensive stats regarding Kawhi and Giannis. During the regular season, the two went head to head 31 times. Giannis only got 3 shots up. In game 3, when Kawhi was guarding Giannis, Giannis went 1/9. Kawhi has to be considered the best defensive wing in the NBA (I don’t know what Green qualifies as, point forward?).
  17. It wasn’t brought up because in D&D’s world characters have collective amnesia or they have split personalities. Tyrion is not same character from one episode to the next. Does D&D even remember that they had Tyrion super concerned about Dany not having an heir last season because not having an heir would be bad for the future of the kingdoms? But now he is of the opinion that the King/Queen having an heir is the perfect solution to ensure peace in the future. WTF! The inconsistencies in this show, the plot holes, and the illogical storylines are at an astonishing level, and to think it was the darling of critics and award shows.
  18. Bernie Mac

    Where did Jon go ? SPOILERS

    He's in the Nights Watch. He arrives at Castle Black in Brown, with two Nightswatch men either side of him escorting him from Kings Landing. He's then changes into his black Nightswatchman uniform that he's not worn since he left the Watch. The Watch exists, Jon has rejoined. If the show wanted to suggest that he'd gone to live with the Wildlings he'd either still be wearing his dark brown suit or wearing the grey/whites that the other Wildlings are wearing and they'd not focus the majority of his montage on the Castles at the Wall. They could simply show him living in a Wildling camp. Unless the Wildlings have abandoned their way of life then the Northmen and Wildlings are not 'cool'. The Northman have laws, the Wildlings don't and think everything is up for grabs. These are fundamentally two very different ways of life, they can no co-exist with both sides happy. On top of that the Wildlings are made up of many clans, they are not one cohesive group. Some will remain on good terms with the Watch, others won't. And the Others were thought dead thousands of years ago and they returned. Westeros would be pretty stupid to ignore that threat. The Nights Watch still exists, perhaps rebuilding their defences, training new recruits and further exploring the Lands of Winter for clues on who and what the Others were are going to be the Watch's main prerogative's in the future, but they are still needed. No. In a 10 second montage they deliberately have him change clothes into his Night watch uniform and repeat his iconic (from seasons past) leaving the Wall via the tunnels on a mission. If they wanted to suggest that he's abandoned the Watch they'd simply not spend his entire montage associating him with the Watch. Plus Jon is Ned's son. He made a vow, unless his family or the world is in danger he's not going to break it. Not after just arriving. Especially as it betrays his character, he feels guilt over killing Dany. He has not tried to fight his punishment. Jon is in Kings Landing as he watches the Unsullied leave, if his intention was not to accept his punishment he'd either be at Wintefell or chill at Duskendale before returning to Kings Landing. The Wildlings are still enemies. If they had changed their ways they'd not be returning beyond the Wall, they'd be repopulating the Umber lands, the Gift, even the Wall itself. The North lost tens of thousands of people, they need the population boost and the land is obviously better in the North than beyond the Wall. They've returned home and returned to their old way of life and that way of life is illegal in the Kingdoms South of the Wall.
  19. Nictarion

    Game of Star Wars: The Final Hope

    Keri Russell wasn’t lying her costume looks amazing!
  20. Yeah seriously, Eddard's oldest living legit son (named Brandon that too for goodness sake) is not only alive, but has the power of the Old Gods, and you accept Mrs Lannister as your Queen, really? Wtf? Even if the North is independent, it would be like James VI of Scotland and I of England, Bran should be king of both domains, though it beats me why the South would want him. You can have a situation where uncle Tully and cousin Robin vote for him with other kingdoms all voting for themselves.
  21. darmody

    West of Westeros: The Voyages of A. Stark

    She has two sibling monarchs.
  22. I actually see the exact opposite problems. Without D&D, they will probably tone down a lot of the toilet humor, and with a basically blank slate, they could likely hire good writers and invent character intrigue that has actual depth. The problem will be everything else. The Children of the Forest were the silliest and stupidest part of GoT (not of ASoIaF). The execution looked very silly and Hammy in GoT, like a highschool play. I don't think they really can be done visually and be taken seriously. That will be far more "in your face fantasy" than anything GoT had to deal with throughout most of the first several seasons. The Others will be poison going in. Any slow-building of them as a threat will be met with serious skepticism by audiences that got burned last time. Yet shoving them in the face of viewers will get old fast and contribute to the "silly fantasy" pitfall with broader audiences. No matter what you do with them, they will amount to nothing. Meanwhile, I don't think the 'same universe' effect will hold nearly as much appeal as people think. It is thrown around a lot with Harry Potter and Star Wars, but never actually done in practice outside of very close timelines and character connections to the OS. But thousands of years in the past? What if they made a prequel to "The Wire" set 3 thousand years ago in the same universe? WTF does that even mean? What is Westeros without any of the same people or politics or kingdoms, etc? The average audience will be confused / checked out. Again, it will become a tight-rope between being wildly unconnected, or panned for being nothing more than a series of call-backs. There is really only a very thin tight-rope that could be walked here and I can't imagine HBO getting it right. The only in-universe prequel that I could imagine being an easy win was the obvious choice, that I cannot understand why they didn't go with: The Last Days of Valyeria. The pitch is so simple: Ancient Rome...with DRAGONS. Rome Meets GOT. Rise of the Targaryians from lower aristocracy, ending with an apocolyse and the conquest of Westeros. Other than the budget, how would that not have been the only serious direction to take a successor show?
  23. Kajjo

    Were you expecting something different?

    I didn't surprise me at all. I had not expected Bran to be King, but I thought about it and felt it possible nonetheless. I expected Queen Sansa. Jon killing Daenerys. Arya sailing west. I expected the style and was quite glad they did not pull any white rabbits out of the hat in the final episode. The ending makes a lot of sense to me and the finale was done quite good and with dignity to all our beloved characters.
  24. Hodor's Dragon

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    There should be a forum dedicated to this topic.
  25. fairwarging

    Destiny of Jon Snow

    I would not feel sure, but the closing of the gate was the LAST SHOT of the entire series. Him looking back and the walls closing behind him. Looking back on his old life and all the things that happened in the series before moving on. This is a little OOC for Jon, but with all he's been through and his grief it's possible even for him to break his oath, if he even made one at all. I think him living free in the North with ghost is the best ending for him, far better than ruling. He is definitely made to be a family man so I see a wife and children in his future, which makes it important he's not in the Nights Watch. I actually imagined a similar ending for Dany, where she would come to understand the chaos and violence her dragons wrought on the world, but still loving them, would live with them in isolation.
  26. I don't know. The keep is full of secret passages and holes in the walls. Seems unsafe. I don't think Cersei ever went anywhere alone.
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