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  1. I'm in my first complete re-read alongside a friend who's reading for the first time, so I'm trying to catch stuff I hadn't before to "guide" her journey while trying to avoid spoiling her, not unlike the Unspoiled! ASOIAF podcast series (even though she has watched three seasons of the TV show in like five days, so I guess she's quite spoiled anyway...) In AGOT - Eddard I, I noticed something that, though probably no big deal, made my eyebrows rise: the wording of the "iron swords" in the crypts. I had always assumed the iron swords intended to avoid the "vengeful spirits" of those over whose knees laid a sword leaving their tombs and roaming freely. But... it does not say "their" vengeful spirits, only "the" vengeful spirits, as any vengeful spirit, Lord or not. And, to be honest, I cannot imagine why only the Lords would have "vengeful spirits" that needed to be kept locked! So, in other words, I take it now as meaning the deceased Lords keep their swords to "protect" the crypts, and Winterfell as a whole, from any vengeful spirit that may roam around free. Anything related with the mystery that surrounds those crypts? Of what might be hidden inside that requires "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell"? Maybe that's common sense and everyone had interpreted it this way the first time, but it made me change my own interpretation of the scene and its implications.
  2. Yeah, you are probably right. It seems I had formed the "gentle" image in my mind by myself when I first read it, as I had no clue about R+L=J at that time. Eddard I AGOT Eddard II AGOT Eddard XIII AGOT Eddard XV AGOT Almost every time Ned recalls the moment, it is mentioned that Lyanna whispered. It is clear from the first quote that the whisper is due to the lack of strength, however, and that she had been crying in fear, as Sansa did later. So yes, I am pretty convinced now. Thanks again!
  3. That's what I initially thought as well, but now I'm not sure, as the tone in both cases seems quite different: Sansa yells desperately, Lyanna whispers gently (as far as I recall). Can they be considered as similar pleads? And yes, I agree Tywin seems to be another man Ned was forced to work with. But was Ned's despise for the Lannisters born after the sack of KL or before? If after, when did they "work together"? Greyjoy Rebellion? ETA: thanks @maudisdottir and @Lost Melnibonean !! ETA2: ups! a word had disappeared! fixed!
  4. Finally doing my first re-read, and I've been noticing several quotes I had overlooked the first time. There are a couple I found yesterday which I would like to know which is (if any) the standard interpretation by the community. (I have used the forum's search function, but the results I obtained didn't help much. They both appear in Eddard IV AGOT: 1) What plead is Ned referring to? Do we know of any moment Lyanna had tried to stop someone killing/hurting anyone? 2) Is Ned referring to Jaime during Robert's rebellion? or someone else I am forgetting now? Obviously, there might be no agreed interpretation, but I feel that those two in particular should have been discussed over and over, and maybe the community has reached some satisfying consensus. Thanks!
  5. Hey guys, don't know if it has been noted before, but the link to the 2nd thread of this topic included in the OP doesn't work. I think should be replaced with THIS ONE. All other links seem fine, though.
  6. We do not know whether Dunk married or not. We only know that he is not married at the end of TMK and at some point in his future he will become a KG. In the middle, lots of things can happen. He might get married with a noble woman and getting widowed, for all we know. But regardless of what happens, Brienne is not a bastard as long as she is a legitimate daughter. Might his father be a legitimised bastard? Yes, it is possible. But that does not make her a bastard in any sense. For the record, remember she is called Brienne OF TARTH, and not Brienne TARTH, which may hint towards an issue about the nobility of the ruling family in the island. Or maybe not. I guess we will find out.
  7. In one quote he thinks he IS NOT Aemon (the maester); in the other, he IS Aemon (the Dragonknight). I'm sorry but it seems a huge stretch to deduce they are pointing to Aemon being his "real" name. In your quotes he also thinks he is not a Mormont. I'm pretty sure somewhere in the text he thinks himself as Jeor (don't know where, but probably there's a passage when struggling to fulfil his duties as LC). Would that make his "real identity" a Mormont, then? It' a nice catch, but in my honest opinion not grounded enough.
  8. Good catch! I wish they had used "corneja" instead, as it seems quite appropriate. Despite being a different species than ravens ("cuervo grande"), they would have fit perfectly, in my opinion.
  9. In Spanish translation they use exactly the same word ("cuervo") for both species, which is kind of annoying. Unfortunately, there is no other translation in Spanish for "raven" (http://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=raven), so I kind of understand why the translators didn't think of coming up with a particular name for each of them. By the way, I long switched to the original versions of the novels. They are infinitely more enjoyable.
  10. If you are thinking about Nettles, she was dragonseed, so she had, or was suspected to have, "a drop of dragon blood". So it doesn't count as a counterexample, in my opinion. From TWoIaF: With respect to Quentyn, I enjoyed his chapters even having been spoiled of how he ended. And I agree his purpose was both breaking the hero's journey trope and moving the plot forward, providing an excuse for a future conflict between Dorne (supporting fAegon) and Dany.
  11. And Ned somehow abandoned him in Flea Bottom and then didn't remember it? And who is the blond mother, then?
  12. House Prester and House Bulwer are pretty close
  13. I don't think the new plots introduced in aFfC/aDwD are "mere" distractions, as they will shape the future events in the story. But, in my opinion, their extension in those books (and the lack of "advance" in the stories of the "core" POV in contrast) are obvious consequences of the "five year gap" GRRM planned and finally discarded. During these years the "core" POVs were supposed to train, to grow, to be able to become the leaders of the "endgame". Without the gap, it was necessary to put more emphasis in how the players of the game, even new ones, keep ravaging Westeros. At least, this is how it felt to me when I read it.
  14. That's quite interesting.. never thought of Tommen being the valonqar. It kind of makes sense
  15. Thank you for the show spoilers. Very thoughtful of you =) ETA: By the way, if the books follow the show? really? Shouldn't it be "the show follows the books", at least? (btw, if we take the show as canon, then Please, don't use what happens or not in the shows as an argument