LIVIA

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  1. Where in the Seven Kingdoms would you live?

    In the North, of course. I am from Tyumen, currently studying in Moscow and can't stop missing normal winter...
  2. Targaryen (Valyrian) madness: magical or genetic?

    Part magic/part genetic, I think. They had always carried these "mad" genes. But while dragons were alive, they "slept", and after dragons became extinct, madness started go out. I like @Lord Varys's idea that the Targs so desperately missed their creatures and desired to bond with them again that went mad. But it depends on a person too. Such sane and stable, with strong nerves people as Daeron II, Baelor, Maekar and Aemon didn't go mad though they had to deal without dragons. We don't know, why. But I suspect that even if Daeron II had had prophetic dreams like his namesake, he wouldn't have turned into a useless drunkard.
  3. We don't know when Naerys conceived Daeron. In was neither indicated (I intentively don't spell "written") by GRRM anywhere. We don't know when she married Aegon, except for that it was in the same year she gave birth to her firstborn. We know that Aegon was afraid of his brother. He probably got into the same trap that Aerys II did with Jaime: Aemon was around him constantly and Aegon feared that if he went with Naerys or Daeron too far, Aemon could lose his head and use Dark Sister on him. Was Aemon himself ready for kinslaying is another question, but for Aegon it might have been obvious. Otherwise he wouldn't yield to a KG's demand to chuck his mistress out of his royal court. The coward like Aegon the Unworthy couldn't simply arrest and execute Aemon, Naerys and Daeron. At first he apprehended his shrewd and commanding father. After Viserys perished, Aemon took his father's place. And only after Aemon's death Aegon finally started acting. He fucked Naerys to death, because it was more interesting and satisfacting for him than simply cutting off her head. At last, Daeron stayed alone, but 1) Kings of Westeros don't have the right to change the line of succession up to their will; such attempts always lead to civil wars 2) killing Daeron or sending him to the Citadel/NW was pointless, because in such case Aegon had to kill/send all his four sons too 3) Daeron had mighty allies 4) if Aegon had declared his only son and heir a bastard of his own guard, he would have been totally disgraced as a man and king and left derided by everyone. Aegon certainly could take another wife. Serenei of Lys, to begin with. And he had 6 years to live yet: its pretty enough to sire four legitimate sons;)
  4. They could have become pious and religious AFTER conceiving Daeron. On 01.04.153 they were just young and silly teenagers, who, though, reasonably considered themselves not important for the succession at all. So why couldn't they fall in love with each other and have sex? And only when they found out that his father had other plans for them, Naerys started begging him to let her become a septa, because 1) she prefer celibacy rather than sleeping with Aegon, and probably 2) she realized all the shame of the sin she commited and wanted to pray for its forgiveness; just like Aemon. And you are very smart comparing him with Ned: they both had their little secrets, and their... boys are very like each other P. S.: It's not quite wise, I think, to trust all that is written in TWOIAF. It is some kind of a school History textbook, full of inaccuracies, mistakes and gross lies convenient for reigning regime or just solidly established through centuries. Just remember that Cercei is Robert's "beloved queen", and that "Elia killed her children herself". By the way, there are quite a number of such "WTF??" concerning Aegon III-Aegon IV period. Aegon killed his father because he wanted the IT from his childhood: seriously?! With King Uncle in his 30s, who had two sons and three daughters? XD Aegon disliked sleeping with Naerys: seriously? So disliked that fucked her to death (it is very interesting, in fact, when he succeded impregnating his wife: when Aemon was in Dorne, when he became king, and when Aemon was eventually killed: just a coincidence?) and didn't take another wife even after her death even being at odds with his heir? ...
  5. Bloodraven's relations with Daeron II

    I got an impression that GRRM highlighted Aegor's deportation as something special among the Great Bastards, so I don't think Brynden spend most of his childhood at Raventry Hall. Though, if his mother died before Aegon, Brynden could be sent to the Blackwoods after that. But I agree that he had nothing to do with Daemon in his childhood. He wasn't especially fond of swordplay, hated Aegor (who was closer to Daemon in age) and could hardly be interesting for "a big boy" of 12 who yielded BLACKFYRE!!1, let alone the same boy of 14, with wife, two children, his own patch of land and political ambitions (when Brynden was still only 9). (By the way, has he ever been at Dragonstone? An ancient castle of black stone, hidden from the sun with volcanic smoke and dust all the year round: mmmm... )
  6. Bloodraven's relations with Daeron II

    Sorry, didn't mean to insult you. Not at people, of course, but at such point of view)
  7. Bloodraven's relations with Daeron II

    He couldn't love Daemon simply because a man who made a proposal to his sister for half a hundred times and whose hatred to his rival resulted into a bloody war couldn't just go and shoot his beloved brother and his children for the good of the realm or something else. Bloodraven was a great statesman, yes, but he was a human too. And GRRM describes him as a human who loves, hates and couples. So I can only laugh at the thought that he killed his sweet Daemon with tears in his eyes. As to the rest of Aegon's sons, we don't have any serious informarion about them. The only possibility for Daeron not being the beloved brother is that it was a member of the NW.
  8. Bloodraven's relations with Daeron II

    I heard a crazy theory that he is actually the son of his: thus Daeron revenged Aegon for spreading disgraceful rumors about his mother. That's why Brynden doesn't call Shiera his sister in TDWD:)) If to speak seriously, we can speculate with more or less cernainty only about Daeron's attitude to Brynden. The fact that he gave him the only remaining ancestral sword of the Targaryens and the sword of his late beloved uncle (!) can tell much. He apparently was strongly attached to him, valued him highly for his special talents and gave him wide powers, especially after BfR. He could also be a sourse of moral support for the albino boy: in contrast to the the rest of their brothers, they both were not that imposing and had problems winning love and respect from other people. But Brynden himself could serve him only because of the prophecy or some other mystical stuff concerning PtwP. However, I still hope Brynden meant him speaking about the brother that he loved in TDWD.
  9. GRRM told at least twice that Targaryens indeed suffered from the consequences of incest (if links are needed I can provide them). But really serious troubles apparently started after the death of dragons. Apart from the fact that dragons seems to have positive impact on their riders' health, their extinction made the Targaryens more dependent on Vesterosy nobility and urged them to marry out of their own house for political purposes. And that was it. If both you and your brother have perfect genes, you can couple without any serious risk for your children, and so do they, and so do only-your grandchildren. But if one of your descendants decides to marry a girl from another family, you cannot say if his bride has perfect genes too. If not, their children will be already recommended to avoid inbreeding. We know about at least five such causes in Targaryen family: 1) Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys, children of Valaena Velaryon: very weak and sickly Aenys and sadistic Maegor. 2) Viserys and Aemma Arryn (his first cousin with Arryn blood): multiple miscarriages, one cradle death, a single survived child. 3) Aegon II and Helaena, children of Alicent Hightower: weak and mentally challenged Jaehaera and six-fingered Jaehaerys. 4) Aegon IV (Aemon) and Naerys, children of Larra Rogare: only two of six children survived, the son lacked height and strengh. 5) Jaehaerys and Shaera: two children, one of them mad and probably having problems with fertility. So, the remaining Targaryens have either to carry perfect genes of Valyrian dragonlords or to give up their old tradition. And to be honest, I don't favour the last option, because too many dragonriders from all the Vesteros are fucking much more dangerous than too few.
  10. Many questions about Dragon Eggs

    Had Princess Daella been demanded to return the egg before marrying Rodrick Arren?... As for the topic... I speculated once that Butterwell's egg (deep red with black and golden whorls and dots, as I can remember) originally belonged to Daeron II and was taken away from him by his royal father, who suspected Daeron was not his trueborn son. But now I think it is too much. There is also a theory that the eggs of the Three Maidens in the Tower are now Drogon, Rhaegal and Viserion. Viserion, by the way, has some kind of attraction to Ben Plumm, probably Elaena's grandson.
  11. DNA testing is absolutely useless is this situation.) It indicates kinship but not the degree of it. Aegon is Daeron's uncle anyway, as well as Aemon.
  12. The title of Protector of the Realm is generally connected with certain martial duties. No surprise that Daeron, being clearly unable to do them in person, decided to grant it to a skilled and experienced knight and commander of unquestionable loyalty. We don't know who was PotR before the 1BfR, but if it was Daeron, I have an idea why all these talks about the weakness of the Targaryens were that popular. The rebellion revealed all the seriousness of the situation and make Daeron distribute power and authority more wisely: he remained the ruling king and helped his dornish-looking heir to overcome contempt and mistrust from his future subjects, while Baelor fucking Breakspear, the Hammer, Prince of Dragonstone, the Heir to the Iron Throne, Hand of the King and Protector of the Realm was more useful for his father than just as Prince of Dragonstone. Besides, Daeron II was not the first to do this trick with the title of PotR: for example, Rhaenyra was not a warrior too, so the title of Protector of the Realm belonged to her husband, Prince Daemon.
  13. Aenys I did had problems at an early age, but after he tamed his dragon his health improved significantly. We can suggest that dragons helped their riders to survive childhood and live long, but when they died out, Targaryens were left tete-a-tete with their spoiled genetics. If Baelor the Blessed was that sickly, he could hardly make his "little" trip through the Boneway and survive snake poison besides:) Daeron II obviously took after his mother - and it is very strange for an heir to the throne and the key to Dorne not to be a warrior AT ALL, especially being brought up by he best knight in the 7 Kingdoms - but in his fifty-five he still ruled the kingdom on his own (Baelor mentioned that justice was usually delivered by his father) and even managed to outlive his two young grandsons during the GSS.
  14. Battle's of Tumbleton

    Actually, we don't know any single Stormlander who supported Blackfyre. We know such houses in the Vale (Sunderland), in the Riverlands (Bracken, Butterwell), in the Westerlands (Reyne), plenty of them in the Reach (Peake, Boll, Bulwer, Contayne ect), even in Dorne (Yronwood), but none of them in the Stormlands. Instead of it we know the following: Baelor Breakspear was wed to Dondarrion Aerys was wed to Penrose Elaena was wed to Lord Penrose and did the duties of the Master of Coin for him One of the Wyldes was a Kingsguard From Ser Barristan's words it is clear that House Selmy stayed loyal to the Targaryens Stormlanders fought alongside Dornishmen under Baelor's command Lord Caron shared interests with the King (it can mean nothing, of course, but still)... So, it seems that the Reds were quite popular in the Stormlands. P. S.: The Stormlands were probably more vulnerable to Dornish raids than the Reach: their border with Dorne is longer and they have less people to protect it; they don't have a natural barrier like Torrentine, while the main Dornish forces are concentrated in the east of Dorne... May be that was the reason?
  15. A veritable bunch of parallels: Daeron II - Jon Snow Ghost and Bran - Brynden Rivers Alys Karstark - Daenerys Martell-Targaryen Ned - Aemon the Dragonknight Brandon or Robert - Aegon IV Melisandre - m. b. Shiera Seastar (remember how warmly she was met by Ghost) More: Robb "The Young Wolf" Stark - Daeron "The Young Dragon" Targaryen. Baela and Rhaena Targaryen - Arya and Sansa Stark